UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Jeremy Corbyn probably thought that member of the public deserved to survive being shot. However it's strong and stable to believe they should have been shot-to-kill.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:34

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# ? May 14, 2024 16:55

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

knox_harrington posted:

Whoops

https://twitter.com/skymarkwhite/status/871390457523261441

Whoops?

What are you implying? That the police used excessive force when they shot the three terrorists who where stabbing people all over the place?

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:34

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

nopantsjack posted:

I just can't loving deal with these vile cunts who hate refugees somehow, even the description of that Youtube video makes me want to bite someones throat out.

PEOPLE ARE NOT DROWNING AT SEA BECAUSE OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY IS TOO LENIENT

WHEN PEOPLE FLEE DANGER YOU HELP THEM. IF YOU DONT YOU ARE A oval office. THIS HAS BEEN ENSHRINED IN EVERY CIVILISATION IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND

ROME DID NOT FALL BECAUSE IT ACCEPTED TOO MANY IMMIGRANTS WITH OPEN ARMS

Were people always this evil?....Yes I suppose so, it seems like the pretense of civilisation is slipping though.

I'm of the totally gut feeling that we actually need wars to function properly. Not necessarily horrible giant world wars, but a few civil wars here and there to release pressure. America, for example, seems like a country that should have fallen to violence by now. Instead it limps on pretending it's united. Under the surface it's police are essentially a fascist paramilitary and if things do kick off it's going to be horribly violent and over very quickly. Not in the lefts favour. Seems to me that it should never have got to that stage. People should have violently protested before this kicking off a larger movement. I'm a dumb gently caress and all this is just "wut i think" but it's like all our peace is just going to lead to the mother of all civilisation collapses.

GaussianCopula posted:

Whoops?

What are you implying? That the police used excessive force when they shot the three terrorists who where stabbing people all over the place?

It's quite simple. He means "whoops" they shot an innocent. It's not hard.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:34

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

GaussianCopula posted:

Whoops?

What are you implying? That the police used excessive force when they shot the three terrorists who where stabbing people all over the place?

I know it's not part of your ideology but we tend to frown upon shooting innocent civilians.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:35

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

https://www.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/902260309938036/

this is great

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:35

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

knox_harrington posted:

Edit to add I am dumbfounded that people are openly calling for internment camps. What the gently caress is going on.

Katie Hopkins is not a person.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:35

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

GaussianCopula posted:

Whoops?

What are you implying? That the police used excessive force when they shot the three terrorists who where stabbing people all over the place?

I believe the possibility of this is exactly what he's implying, yes.

It's kind of like how Harris used excessive force when fighting the Germans who were gassing people all over the place. Though since learning of you, I've softened a great deal on Harris.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:37

Tigey: Apr 6, 2015

knox_harrington posted:

Whoops

https://twitter.com/skymarkwhite/status/871390457523261441

Edit to add I am dumbfounded that people are openly calling for internment camps. What the gently caress is going on.

To be fair, Farage/Hopkins do it purely for attention. They basically go onto US networks like Fox and make up outrageous lies in order to serve the political interests of the network - namely to portray Europe in a state of utter terror, war and chaos, so as to strengthen Trump/Republicans, by letting them posture: "Thats what happens when liberals win, we can't let that happen here too, etc"

Farage/Hopkins/etc know they are lying and whoring themselves out, but they don't care - its not intended for a UK audience, and it gains them money, infamy and profile in the US.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:37

knox_harrington: Feb 18, 2011; Running no point.

Steve2911 posted:

How is that only revealed nearly a day later?

I have to say I'm sceptical about police shooting abilities, particularly since they managed to miss Menezes with half the shots despite standing on him. They're also increasingly carrying assault rifles instead of 9mm so the possibility of bullets going through and hitting bystanders is loads higher.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:38

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Spangly A posted:

Farage is dogwhistling like a madman there but I've read the Pilger article and I definitely have a lot of questions about why the gently caress the bomber managed to dodge arrest and how his involvement in an mi5 affiliated extremist group influenced this

if there's 3000 people walking around on a terror list, presumably under control orders, I think the government now need to say how many of them are affiliated with extremist groups funded by britain, how many of them are affiliated with extremist groups funded by countries we send arms to, and how many of them are affiliated with mi5

back in 2011 there were articles like this:

quote:

But others are in the Benghazi-based Libyan rebel movement, the most prominent being Abdel-Hakim Belhaj, the commander of Tripoli's military council who spearheaded the attack on Gaddafi's compound at Bab al-Aziziya last month � and has made waves by complaining that MI6 provided intelligence on him to the regime that imprisoned and tortured him.

Belhaj, better known in the jihadi world as Abu Abdullah al-Sadiq, was released with 200 other LIFG leaders or suspected members from Tripoli's notorious Abu Salim prison after the group collectively recanted and severed its ties with al-Qaida, saying that "indiscriminate bombings" and the "targeting of civilians" were not in accordance with its objectives.

The British and US governments were certainly well aware of extreme Islamist currents in eastern Libya, with a WikiLeaks cable from February 2008 describing calls to jihad in mosques in Benghazi and especially nearby Derna, a stronghold for former LIFG fighters and conservative imams who had shut down "un-Islamic" social and cultural organisations such as sports leagues, theatres and youth clubs.

The British government encouraged and helped publicise the Libyan "deradicalisation" effort, modelled on what was being done with former jihadis in Egypt. In a programme overseen by Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, the LIFG produced a 400-page theological document entitled Corrective Studies explaining its renunciation of violence. Ironically, in an al-Jazeera film in March, Belhaj praised the mediation of Saif al-Islam for his release. Gaddafi's son said that the men who had been freed "were no longer a danger to society".

In February, after the Benghazi uprising, former LIFG members created a new Islamic Movement for Change which expressed support for international intervention to remove Gaddafi. "The experiences of the LIFG leaders in armed conflicts in Afghanistan, Libya and Algeria have forced them to mature politically, recalculate strategically, moderate behaviourally, modify their ideological beliefs," said Omar Ashour, an expert on jihadi groups at Exeter University. The latest revelations about secret British and US intelligence co-operation with the Gaddafi regime are an embarrassing reminder of a very different period.

and ECJ decisions like that:

quote:

The government has been ordered to hand back the passport of a Manchester man branded a terror suspect by American intelligence.

Taher Nasuf � who strenuously denies the claims against him � has been living on state benefits since his charity, the Sanabel Relief Agency, was shut down by police in 2006. His assets were frozen and he was banned from foreign travel.

Now he has won an appeal at the European Court Of Justice ordering the British authorities to return his passport and lift the financial restrictions.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:38

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

GaussianCopula posted:

Whoops?

What are you implying? That the police used excessive force when they shot the three terrorists who where stabbing people all over the place?

I think he's implying that they were mistaken in shooting the other, non-terrorist guy.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:39

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Orange Devil posted:

I believe the possibility of this is exactly what he's implying, yes.

It's kind of like how Harris used excessive force when fighting the Germans who were gassing people all over the place. Though since learning of you, I've softened a great deal on Harris.

In reality it's just that shooting a civilian by accident is the kind of thing you generally don't want to do, even if it can't be avoided. Hence 'whoops' - a statement we make when we do something unintended.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:39

knox_harrington: Feb 18, 2011; Running no point.

GaussianCopula posted:

Whoops?

What are you implying? That the police used excessive force when they shot the three terrorists who where stabbing people all over the place?

No, not at all, it is unfortunate but is still careless.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:40

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

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Please enjoy your stay

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Let's be clear here. The views you purport, whether you genuinely believe them or not, are sickening. I know you think you're just doing the poo poo posting or whatever, so for the sake of unambiguity I want you to know that its not big, it's not clever, it's not funny, and you shouldn't post here.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:42

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

To clarify further, yes you have upset me, and a lot of other people.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:43

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Welcome to the internet

Please enjoy your stay

No refunds

"This is just the way it is," says person actively and needlessly contributing to the way it currently is

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:45

mediadave: Sep 8, 2011

Corbyn needs to come out swinging if labour are going to keep any sort of momentum. And not just the usual police numbers business, he needs to hit the conservatives over arming Saudi Arabia, helping Jihadis in Libya, Cameron's sixty thousand moderate extremists in Syria, etc etc. Otherwise Labour will be swept away in a tide of 'Corbyn disagrees with shoot to kill', 'Our friends Hamas', 'Diane Abbott home secretary lol'.

Of course he won't, so eh.

The problem with those facebook memes of 'Theresa May says Corbyn supports terrorism, but she meets with Saudis, the biggest terrorism supporters of them all' is that Labour haven't actually made that point, it only gets passed around in facebook echo chambers.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:45

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

it's a huge shitshow, to borrow a phrase, but is it really unexpected given a Cold War standard of funding anticommunists who turn out to be uncontrollable fascist terrorists that go around bombing critical Western regional partners, or funding antiimperialists who turn out to be uncontrollable ethnonationalists who go around bombing critical Soviet or PRC regional partners?

which is really the problem with the Pilgerian worldview - too much foresight.

well, that and the always-bizarre petrodollar obsession.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:46

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

knox_harrington posted:

No, not at all, it is unfortunate but is still careless.

I'm sure the police officer or Blue Thunder soldier who wounded the civilian did so because he was careless and not because he was in a very chaotic situation. I think it's safe to assume that the police/soldiers did the best they could to not harm civilians and it's insulting to think that they acted careless.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:47

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Tigey posted:

Farage/Hopkins/etc know they are lying and whoring themselves out, but they don't care - its not intended for a UK audience, and it gains them money, infamy and profile in the US.

They cynically use these tragedies to market themselves. Hopkins has been sacked by LBC and Mail on Sunday, and was kicked off the Sun a whole back. She's desperately looking for the next meal ticket

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:47

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

ronya posted:

it's a huge shitshow, to borrow a phrase, but is it really unexpected given a Cold War standard of funding anticommunists who turn out to be uncontrollable fascist terrorists that go around bombing critical Western regional partners, or funding antiimperialists who turn out to be uncontrollable ethnonationalists who go around bombing critical Soviet or PRC regional partners?

which is really the problem with the Pilgerian worldview - too much foresight.

I mean we could always not do these things, and it's very frustrating when those doing it constantly pretend that it's not their fault and get away with it.

GaussianCopula posted:

I'm sure the police officer or Blue Thunder soldier who wounded the civilian did so because he was careless and not because he was in a very chaotic situation. I think it's safe to assume that the police/soldiers did the best they could to not harm civilians and it's insulting to think that they acted careless.

actually it's insulting to ignore the police officers who've spent quite some time saying that they are unable to function properly, and our responses should not look like this, and there is blame to be laid at the government, you horrid nazi little oval office

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:51

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Steve2911 posted:

How is that only revealed nearly a day later?

It was mentioned last night but I guess they're only now confirming that's exactly what happened

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:51

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

GaussianCopula posted:

I'm sure the police officer or Blue Thunder soldier who wounded the civilian did so because he was careless and not because he was in a very chaotic situation. I think it's safe to assume that the police/soldiers did the best they could to not harm civilians and it's insulting to think that they acted careless.

I feel like if the force was genuinely contrite they would have mentioned it as soon as they could and apologised, and not sneaked it out over Twitter

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:53

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Serotonin posted:

They cynically use these tragedies to market themselves. Hopkins has been sacked by LBC and Mail on Sunday, and was kicked off the Sun a whole back. She's desperately looking for the next meal ticket

Much like Jesus, she too must face many trials.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:54

Lote: Aug 5, 2001; Place your bets

Tesseraction posted:

Jeremy Corbyn probably thought that member of the public deserved to survive being shot. However it's strong and stable to believe they should have been shot-to-kill.

If you can take the attackers alive, you can get intelligence for future attacks. I don't think that was his point but capturing attackers alive is very useful.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:55

blunt: Jul 7, 2005

Irony Be My Shield posted:

It's not illegal but she should be constantly called out for trying to silence the opposition by agreeing to suspend campaigning while promoting Tory pledges.

I agree entirely.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:59

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

Lote posted:

If you can take the attackers alive, you can get intelligence for future attacks. I don't think that was his point but capturing attackers alive is very useful.

so that they can live a life of luxury at taxpayers expense?!?!?! LEFTIE LOONYLIBERAL NONSENSE!!!!!!!!

# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:59

knox_harrington: Feb 18, 2011; Running no point.

GaussianCopula posted:

I'm sure the police officer or Blue Thunder soldier who wounded the civilian did so because he was careless and not because he was in a very chaotic situation. I think it's safe to assume that the police/soldiers did the best they could to not harm civilians and it's insulting to think that they acted careless.

I've been in the exact situation where I could not engage because of civilians being too close, and I've dressed a child's wounds after they were shot by enemy fire in a contact, so yes I very much understand the difficulty. Hard to tell what happened but in general shooting bystanders is Not Okay.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:00

Kegluneq: Feb 18, 2011; Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Lote posted:

If you can take the attackers alive, you can get intelligence for future attacks. I don't think that was his point but capturing attackers alive is very useful.

Quoting them being stupid fuckers at their trial might also be handy. These guys had fake bombs for exactly this reason, they knew the police would shoot to kill when not doing that could actually be more productive.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:04

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Here, have a hot take:

https://twitter.com/Tim_R_Dawson/status/871411035386904579

# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:06

oxford_town: Aug 6, 2009

Namtab posted:

I feel like if the force was genuinely contrite they would have mentioned it as soon as they could and apologised, and not sneaked it out over Twitter

What? This is on BBC news right now, it's not been sneaked out.

The police killed 3 attackers within 8 minutes of the 999 call going out; they did so whilst said attackers were running around with knives, stabbing people, wearing what were thought to be bomb vests; and all this on a busy Saturday night in the middle of a metropolis.

Injuring a civilian in these circumstances is tragic, but it's not the 'gotcha' for the police force that you seem to think it is.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:08

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

Definition of good guy. : a morally correct person or character : a hero. : someone who is eager to use nuclear weapons to kill millions of children.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:10

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Lote posted:

If you can take the attackers alive, you can get intelligence for future attacks. I don't think that was his point but capturing attackers alive is very useful.

Corbyns comments about shoot to kill were in reference to the policy in Northern Ireland, where IRA members were shot by the SAS on sight, without being given any warning and without any immediate threat being visible. That's what a 'shoot to kill policy' means. His words were just twisted by the BBC.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:12

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

why didn't the police have homing bullets?

# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:12

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

oxford_town posted:

What? This is on BBC news right now, it's not been sneaked out.

The police killed 3 attackers within 8 minutes of the 999 call going out; they did so whilst said attackers were running around with knives, stabbing people, wearing what were thought to be bomb vests; and all this on a busy Saturday night in the middle of a metropolis.

Injuring a civilian in these circumstances is tragic, but it's not the 'gotcha' for the police force that you seem to think it is.

So it does, in a single line.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:12

oxford_town: Aug 6, 2009

Namtab posted:

So it does, in a single line.

I don't understand.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:13

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

TheRat posted:

Here, have a hot take:
https://twitter.com/Tim_R_Dawson/status/871411035386904579

I genuinely lolled going through this guy's feed of daily 'corbyn bad' updates:
CORBYN BAD CORBYN BAD CORBYN BAD COR-
https://twitter.com/Tim_R_Dawson/status/868876043289022465
-BYN BAD CORBYN BAD CORBYN BAD ...

# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:15