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RandomBlue posted:He literally thinks he just has to say it and sign a piece of paper and it's done. The rest is just details. What's even funnier about this is that this has also never actually been true for kings, either.
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Trump's hardcore base doesn't care about the Russia stuff. No matter how bad it gets they absolutely will rationalize it as a partisan witch hunt / actually colluding with Russia is good and they are our friend. What will lose him support is him failing to pass his agenda (remember THE WALL was absolutely his biggest campaign plank) and apolitical fuckups like botched response to natural disasters because he hasn't bothered to staff FEMA and NOAA. Katrina 2.0 will be an absolute nightmare. The best thing for the GOP would be for Trump to do a Nixon, pardon everyone, resign, have Pence pardon him. The longer this shitshow continues it's just going to make a Dem wave in 18/20 more likely. On the other hand, if Trump does resign the GOP probably loses a lot of his hardcore base, they'll still vote GOP but with a lot less enthusiasm.
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Russia kills Muslims, hates gays, is super religious, and is authoritarian as all hell. What's not for a far right American conservative to love?
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If they attempted to gloss over the wholesale corruption of our democratic process by pardoning everyone involved there would be armed insurrection I think the only thing keeping people in check is that the targets in question will be held accountable and brought to justice by the justice system.
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Pellisworth posted:What will lose him support is him failing to pass his agenda (remember THE WALL was absolutely his biggest campaign plank) and apolitical fuckups like botched response to natural disasters because he hasn't bothered to staff FEMA and NOAA. Katrina 2.0 will be an absolute nightmare. I think the funniest part of his budget plan was that despite it being two trillion (!) dollars over budget the wall wasn't on it.
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The 36% or whatever left will never believe anything damaging about Trump, his administration, or GOP leadership. Whatever Trump says, goes. There could be a videos from different angles released with Trump shaking Kislyak's hand saying "Thanks for all the money and hacking, you'll receive Ukraine soon," corroborating testimony, tavel logs, you name it, and Trump supporters would say it's all faked. I'll believe he's removed from office when he's, you know, removed from office.
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Captain Invictus posted:If they attempted to gloss over the wholesale corruption of our democratic process by pardoning everyone involved there would be armed insurrection What makes you think that? The only armed insurrection from Trump pulling a Nixon would be from the right wing militia / neo-nazi types.
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lol armed insurrection.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Russia kills Muslims, hates gays, is super religious, and is authoritarian as all hell. Unless they're a part of the Russian Federation, in which case we must uphold the shared values of traditional Islam and the Russian orthodox church (and keep Putin's head attached to his shoulders).
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Zil posted:Would be fun to get Ron Howard to do voice overs of Trumps bullshit. Daniel Stern or Richard Dreyfuss would work, too. “I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was just another candidate. Jesus, does anyone?”
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Pellisworth posted:Katrina 2.0 will be an absolute nightmare. Hell, I'm not sure this administration could handle another Matthew.
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Triskelli posted:Hell, I'm not sure this administration could handle another Matthew. It's a good thing the climate is really stable and not going crazy, then. oh dear
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Nixon had 40% approval ratings when he was impeached.
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Pellisworth posted:Trump's hardcore base doesn't care about the Russia stuff. No matter how bad it gets they absolutely will rationalize it as a partisan witch hunt / actually colluding with Russia is good and they are our friend. I disagree. A lot of them just don't believe it. Everyone cares about different things. Everyone has their own lines that they won't cross. Acts that will make them quit in disgust if they're ever found out to be true. If the Trump and Russia thing is confirmed then some of his base will abandon him. Not all. Not most. Not even a lot. However some of his base will abandon him because they never believed it before. People are varied. They care about different poo poo. Messing with that poo poo makes them mad. It's not going to be one thing that will break Trump's support by his base unless it's another Katrina. It'll be lots of stuff. Don't worry on that end. He's supplying a wide variety of screw ups that are pissing almost everyone off. I'd very much like for everyone to keep in mind that republicans are not adding enough members to replace the ones that are aging out. He won on a technicality. Four years down the road means nearly 4% less republican voters. If he runs again he's going to get crushed. By then he won't be an outsider. He'll be a politician. His promises won't have been kept. The wall won't be built. America will not be made great again. It'll be worse off. If someone primaries him and succeeds he'll rip the republicans apart and if no one primaries him he won't be able to promise everyone everything and be believed, because that's what happened before and it's four years later. Republican voters are winning by razor thin margins and the only things that keep them in power are gerrymandering and them turning out at incredible rates. Redistricting is coming up again and the dems are going to banish them to the weeds for a decade by gerrymandering them out of existence.
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Remember how" heckva job Brownie!" went down? Now imagine instead of just being tone deaf the President leans into it
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Triskelli posted:Hell, I'm not sure this administration could handle another Matthew. I just had a mental image of Trump at Mar-a-Lago heading disaster relief. Reminder: http://www.newsweek.com/trump-hurricane-matthew-relief-north-carolina-607803 quote:The state asked for $929 million, most of which would go toward initiatives like fixing homes damaged by flooding, supporting farmers who lost livestock and funding mental health services for survivors. This was just a couple weeks ago. edit: in swing state North Carolina no less. I wonder if there's been any state polling on how voters reacted to Trump screwing them on relief funding? I'd bet he lost / will lose a good chunk of support. Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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Covok posted:Nixon had 40% approval ratings when he was impeached. While this is true it fell a lot lower over time. Impeachment was just the start. 
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i think it was two months before nixon resigned, 51 percent of americans said the media was spending too much time focusing on watergate.
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Covok posted:Nixon had 40% approval ratings when he was impeached. No he didn't. Nixon had sub-30% approval ratings during all of 1974.
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Pollyanna posted:gently caress do you even do for 4.5 hours of golfing besides the obvious? Is it just "me time" for him or does he do other shady poo poo at the same time? HIs russian contacts are posing as caddies at his golf course. He sees to it they get hired and are assigned to him. (A conspiracy I just made up...)
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Party Plane Jones posted:If there was ever a reason to drop your NYT sub, it would be this hot take Fyi for everyone else, the real  involved in this tweet is not so much the article by itself, but the fact that the NYT interviewed the exact same Trump supporter from 2 months ago, wearing the exact same clothes from two months ago, to "prove" that this Trump supporter (and therefore by extension, all Trump supporting small business owners) still holds the same positive opinion of Trump that he did two months ago.
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Today I learned that the only President to resign under an impeachment had a 24% approval on that day.
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Has a sitting president ever been primaried? When did that happen? When was the last time someone seriously tried? e: Oh right Ted Kennedy and Carter, and google also says Buchanan attempted the primary Bush Sr? JAY ZERO SUM GAME fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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When he resigns, I don't think Pence will pardon him. I think they'll try really hard to kill the ongoing investigation and poo poo will literally hit the fan because no one will feel any loyalty toward the administration and the pissgates will open.JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:Has a sitting president ever been primaried? When did that happen? When was the last time someone seriously tried? You should try googling that. There are a lot of interesting discussions on the topic.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:Has a sitting president ever been primaried? When did that happen? When was the last time someone seriously tried? Ted Kennedy primaried Carter in '80.
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D-Pad posted:HIs russian contacts are posing as caddies at his golf course. He sees to it they get hired and are assigned to him. Trump's razor means there is a chance this is true though. Time to start bugging his golf bag and carts to see what the idiot is leaking on the course. Zil fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:Has a sitting president ever been primaried? When did that happen? When was the last time someone seriously tried? LBJ decided not to run.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:Has a sitting president ever been primaried? When did that happen? When was the last time someone seriously tried? I don't believe it's happened in modern times, google-fu says that Pierce got primaried by Buchanan, because lol early 19th century America. The other four times were done to VPs that ascended because POTUS was either assassinated or was Harrison.
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Covok posted:Nixon had 40% approval ratings when he was impeached. did the republicans control the senate and house then
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Pollyanna posted:gently caress do you even do for 4.5 hours of golfing besides the obvious? Is it just "me time" for him or does he do other shady poo poo at the same time?
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Ice Phisherman posted:. Four years down the road means nearly 4% less republican voters. This sounds right, and it isn't that I don't believe it, but do you have some kind of link or source to back this up? I need to show this to a few of my friends.
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also why is everyone convinced trump will resign? trump seems incapable of admitting failure, so i don't see why he'd do that. i could see him obstinately staying put and doing crazy poo poo like pardoning himself and everyone around him, but not resigning
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Don't you need to be convicted of something before you can be pardoned, at which point it doesn't really matter because the president is removed from office when he's convicted?
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:Has a sitting president ever been primaried? When did that happen? When was the last time someone seriously tried? Reagan primaried Ford in '76. LBJ stepped out of the race in '68 because he likely would not have won the Democratic nomination. Before that, there wasn't much of a primary system to speak of.
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Zil posted:Trump's razor means there is a chance this is true though. Time to start bugging just gold bag and carts to see what the idiot is leaking on the course. Neither dumb enough, nor crazy enough. Trump is hiring US intelligence agents to give his Russian golf partners intelligence directly.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:The 36% or whatever left will never believe anything damaging about Trump, his administration, or GOP leadership. Whatever Trump says, goes. The only thing that could get the GOP base to hate Trump is if he started doing things that made liberals happy. They don't really care about the issues they proclaim to vote based upon beyond how mad the issues make their opposition. Remember how the GOP would be all for a thing until the instant Obama said he was for the thing and the they 180°ed pretty much mid-sentence? They didn't (just) do that because they were racist but instead because they understood that their base would instantly turn on that issue because if the liberals want it then it can't be good.
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We really need "Nixon was pardoned even though he never was convicted" to be the thread title.
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TARDISman posted:Don't you need to be convicted of something before you can be pardoned, at which point it doesn't really matter because the president is removed from office when he's convicted? pre-emptive pardons are a thing
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:The 36% or whatever left will never believe anything damaging about Trump, his administration, or GOP leadership. Whatever Trump says, goes. Why? I never get this constant circle jerk about how powerful and beloved trump is. He's had a political career that is like a year and a half long. I imagine someone somewhere was really into his books and maybe he has a fan base from that time he was on home alone 2 but I don't get the idea that trump is some eternal beloved thing. Right wing poo poo bags won't turn on being right wing poo poo bags but why is their a belief that they are pledged to trump specifically? Is it because there is a reddit with 24,000 posters? Some of which are joking?
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Jealous Cow posted:When he resigns, I don't think Pence will pardon him. I think they'll try really hard to kill the ongoing investigation and poo poo will literally hit the fan because no one will feel any loyalty toward the administration and the pissgates will open. Serious question. I know everyone makes fun of the whole piss tape thing, but even if such a thing exists, does anyone think that it would hurt Trump's popularity with his idiot supporters? Moreover, would someone as shameless as Trump give a poo poo about such thing being leaked (no pun intended*)? Trump will scream FAKE NEWS on Twitter, and his mouthbreathing followers will defend his depraved act by arguing who among us hasn't engaged in sexual urine play at one point in our lives. *okay, maybe a little intented
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