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Mr Interweb posted:Serious question. I know everyone makes fun of the whole piss tape thing, but even if such a thing exists, does anyone think that it would hurt Trump's popularity with his idiot supporters? Moreover, would someone as shameless as Trump give a poo poo about such thing being leaked (no pun intended*)? Trump will scream FAKE NEWS on Twitter, and his mouthbreathing followers will defend his depraved act by arguing who among us hasn't been involved in sexual urine play at one point in our lives. They would just claim that it proves how fuckin' alpha he is.
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Shifty Pony posted:The only thing that could get the GOP base to hate Trump is if he started doing things that made liberals happy. Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why? I never get this constant circle jerk about how powerful and beloved trump is. He's had a political career that is like a year and a half long. I imagine someone somewhere was really into his books and maybe he has a fan base from that time he was on home alone 2 but I don't get the idea that trump is some eternal beloved thing. Right wing poo poo bags won't turn on being right wing poo poo bags but why is their a belief that they are pledged to trump specifically? Is it because there is a reddit with 24,000 posters? Some of which are joking? quote:“Trump didn’t have a lot of ‘Here is my agenda, here is my narrative, I have to persuade people to it,’” Catalist’s Laura Quinn told me.
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Edible Hat posted:Reagan primaried Ford in '76. LBJ stepped out of the race in '68 because he likely would not have won the Democratic nomination. Before that, there wasn't much of a primary system to speak of. When we say "this person primaried that person", the implication is that they successfully defeated the incumbent in the primary. There are random people and gadflys who try to run against the president all the time, but the first person to succeed will be the first person who primaried a president.
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Jun 4, 2017 21:46
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Mr Interweb posted:Serious question. I know everyone makes fun of the whole piss tape thing, but even if such a thing exists, does anyone think that it would hurt Trump's popularity with his idiot supporters? Moreover, would someone as shameless as Trump give a poo poo about such thing being leaked (no pun intended*)? Trump will scream FAKE NEWS on Twitter, and his mouthbreathing followers will defend his depraved act by arguing who among us hasn't engaged in sexual urine play at one point in our lives. The mental gymnastics would be pretty amazing to see though. I want to see McConnal or Ryan have to defend it on live tv. Maybe even McCain would find some other word than disturbing to describe it.
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Jun 4, 2017 21:47
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Zil posted:The mental gymnastics would be pretty amazing to see though. I want to see McConnal or Ryan have to defend it on live tv. Maybe even McCain would find some other word than disturbing to describe it. "Shocking"
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Jun 4, 2017 21:48
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Mr Interweb posted:Serious question. I know everyone makes fun of the whole piss tape thing, but even if such a thing exists, does anyone think that it would hurt Trump's popularity with his idiot supporters? Moreover, would someone as shameless as Trump give a poo poo about such thing being leaked (no pun intended*)? Trump will scream FAKE NEWS on Twitter, and his mouthbreathing followers will defend his depraved act by arguing who among us hasn't engaged in sexual urine play at one point in our lives. The piss tape would be amusing and would hurt him, but at this point its a lot less important than Mueller's investigation into Russia collusion and obstruction of justice.
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Zil posted:The mental gymnastics would be pretty amazing to see though. I want to see McConnal or Ryan have to defend it on live tv. Maybe even McCain would find some other word than disturbing to describe it. Ryan would call it a distraction and insist that he'd rather talk about issues that matter to the American people.
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Jun 4, 2017 21:49
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Rigel posted:The piss tape would be amusing and would hurt him, but at this point its a lot less important than Mueller's investigation into Russia collusion and obstruction of justice. People are still hung up on "covfefe" despite so much more important poo poo being out there. I think we need two tiers of attack on Trump -- the important ones that actually will get him removed from office, and the amusing ones that keep us sane but also keep reminding low-attention-span folk that Trump is incompetent.
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Jun 4, 2017 21:51
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Silly Burrito posted:What exactly is appealing to those 36%??
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Jun 4, 2017 21:55
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tetrapyloctomy posted:People are still hung up on "covfefe" despite so much more important poo poo being out there. I think we need two tiers of attack on Trump -- the important ones that actually will get him removed from office, and the amusing ones that keep us sane but also keep reminding low-attention-span folk that Trump is incompetent. Who is hung up on covfefe?
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Jun 4, 2017 21:56
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a lot of people are still doing "lol covfefe" when it isn't the typo that's funny but sean spicer trying to play it off like it was on purpose and not a super obvious type for coverage.
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Jun 4, 2017 21:56
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Chilichimp posted:Who is hung up on covfefe? I saw them still laughing it up on the loving local news this morning when I was getting breakfast. Not a morning show, a news segment just before the weather, talking about the tweet and merchandise online.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:00
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why? I never get this constant circle jerk about how powerful and beloved trump is. He's had a political career that is like a year and a half long. I imagine someone somewhere was really into his books and maybe he has a fan base from that time he was on home alone 2 but I don't get the idea that trump is some eternal beloved thing. Right wing poo poo bags won't turn on being right wing poo poo bags but why is their a belief that they are pledged to trump specifically? Is it because there is a reddit with 24,000 posters? Some of which are joking? Are you somehow unaware of Trump's near constant media presence since like the 80's, from WWE to beauty pageants, to a popular long running reality tv show?
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Jun 4, 2017 22:02
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It's a funny word and emblamatic of the Administration's utter incompetence so far. Just because it's turned into a meme doesn't mean people aren't paying attention to the rest of the ongoing trainwreck that is this administration.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:03
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Bottom Liner posted:the_donald people have disgusting levels of cognitive dissonance. He could be cutting their throats and they would be screaming "THANK YOU GOD EMPEROR". They actually call him that... Look, if it takes a thousand Redditors to be sacrificed to keep the Orb burning, that's the price I'm willing to pay 
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Jun 4, 2017 22:08
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maskenfreiheit posted:also why is everyone convinced trump will resign? I don't think he would resign unless it got so bad that every one of his close advisers were telling him he has to resign or he'll go to jail. Plus a bunch of CEOs calling him and telling him the same thing. It would be the best thing for the GOP, mid to long-term, for Trump to resign yesterday. The darkest timeline: President Pence serves through '20 and is boring but does a bunch of heinous poo poo because Republicans control all branches of government. He might even get another SCOTUS seat or two. Trump's nutjob fringe base radicalizes at the ouster of their God Emperor and gets more violent against immigrants and minorities and of course the Pence admin does nothing about it, possibly even encourages it. The Dems might make strong gains in '18 and take back the White House in '20, but what realistically do you think they would accomplish? The GOP has shown itself under Obama to be utterly shameless with obstruction, the Dems will need rock-solid control of Congress and the White House to actually fix things. A Dem president in '20 will help but it's not enough. The reality is the GOP stole a SCOTUS seat and has a good chance to pick up more, plus they have 2-4 years of total control of the government. We really need wave elections in '18 and '20 and while Pence is banal evil compared to Trump's lazy idiocy I don't think Pence would inspire as strong as a resistance as Trump not resigning and the scandals and outrage continuing to mount.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:09
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Captain Monkey posted:Are you somehow unaware of Trump's near constant media presence since like the 80's, from WWE to beauty pageants, to a popular long running reality tv show? Yea, he had a loving hit TV show that portrayed him as America's Best Boss for loving years, where is this shock that people idolize coming from?
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Jun 4, 2017 22:10
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the travel ban is headed to SCOTUS, i wonder if it will get upheld there now that they have the majority
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Moatman posted:"Shocking" "Arousing"
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Jun 4, 2017 22:23
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I think people are overlooking the fact that if some seats are lost by the GOP in 18 or 20, those congressmen will still be on thin ice. They will not be able to enact any far left legislation without risking their seat, leaving us about where we are for a lot of bills that might in any way be controversial.
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Carlosologist posted:the travel ban is headed to SCOTUS, i wonder if it will get upheld there now that they have the majority It'll be funny if/when Gorsuch votes to strike it down if just for Trump's reaction. Which should be a lot like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JamMWk9D68
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Jun 4, 2017 22:23
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Rigel posted:The piss tape would be amusing and would hurt him, but at this point its a lot less important than Mueller's investigation into Russia collusion and obstruction of justice. At this point anyone who cares about collusion and obstruction of justice is already furious with Trump. If anything will seriously damage Trump's Republican support, it will be tabloid scandal poo poo like this.
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Carlosologist posted:the travel ban is headed to SCOTUS, i wonder if it will get upheld there now that they have the majority Doubt it. For one, the oral arguments in the Maslenjak case really, really don't bode well for Roberts' or Kennedy's willingness to let the administration gently caress around on immigration. For another, I'm still hoping Clarence Thomas writes a dissent in which he says that Chy Lung v Freeman was wrongly decided in 1876 and therefore all authority on immigration policy devolves to the individual states rather than the federal government.  (also saying that Kennedy equals a Republican majority is dumb even if we file Roberts and Thomas as blindly partisan)
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tetrapyloctomy posted:People are still hung up on "covfefe" despite so much more important poo poo being out there. I think we need two tiers of attack on Trump -- the important ones that actually will get him removed from office, and the amusing ones that keep us sane but also keep reminding low-attention-span folk that Trump is incompetent. The guy who's challenging Paul Ryan, David Yankovich, is disappointing. His whole deal is as follows: "Hey guys, I just moved here, I'm a nobody's every-man. NOT A POLITICIAN. So I hear you guys just hate Paul Ryan? How bad you want him gone? Vote for me!" That last part is like his slogan. Prometheus, Starring: Trump as Weyland, Ivanka as Charlize Theron and Sean Spicer as David. Everyone else is the press.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:I think people are overlooking the fact that if some seats are lost by the GOP in 18 or 20, those congressmen will still be on thin ice. They will not be able to enact any far left legislation without risking their seat, leaving us about where we are for a lot of bills that might in any way be controversial. Yup, our best bet is Trump/Pence continues to be toxic to the GOP brand, they're so incompetent they don't pass significant legislation, the left gets more active, we have Dem wave elections in '18 and/or '20. We're not going to get socialism but we definitely need a New New Deal, education and immigration reform, action on climate change etc and you need better than weak Dem control to do all that. We can't afford another Obama, that's just treading water.
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Captain Monkey posted:Are you somehow unaware of Trump's near constant media presence since like the 80's, from WWE to beauty pageants, to a popular long running reality tv show? I guess? He's a famous person. I just think this thread is really obsessed with some weird idea he's got a massive army with cultlike devotion. When he was kinda a C list celebrity. Like the last season of the apprentice had 4 million viewers. That is more famous than I am, he is famous, but it's less viewers than like the x-files reboot or fresh off the boat, or a lot of other shows. He isn't even a superstar. He was on WWE, beauty pageants and a reality show.
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Boon posted:Today I learned that the only President to resign under an impeachment had a 24% approval on that day. There's a part in The Invisible Bridge where Perlstein quotes some diehard Nixon supporters who thinks that maybe he oughtta just go full dictator instead of resigning.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I guess? He's a famous person. I just think this thread is really obsessed with some weird idea he's got a massive army with cultlike devotion. When he was kinda a C list celebrity. Like the last season of the apprentice had 4 million viewers. That is more famous than I am, he is famous, but it's less viewers than like the x-files reboot or fresh off the boat, or a lot of other shows. He isn't even a superstar. He was on WWE, beauty pageants and a reality show. Trump is significant because of what his die hard supporters imagine him to be, none of which is engaged with reality.
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RuanGacho posted:Trump is significant because of what his die hard supporters imagine him to be, none of which is engaged with reality. Says who? I feel like this thread is more convinced of his strength and power more than the people that actually support him sometimes.
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Someone took this threads idea and ran with it. https://twitter.com/RealPressSecBot/status/871475906535084032
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Jun 4, 2017 22:35
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GreyjoyBastard posted:For another, I'm still hoping Clarence Thomas writes a dissent in which he says that Chy Lung v Freeman was wrongly decided in 1876 and therefore all authority on immigration policy devolves to the individual states rather than the federal government. This would be a delicious train wreck.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Says who? I feel like this thread is more convinced of his strength and power more than the people that actually support him sometimes. Trump is neither strong nor powerful. He is physically and politically weak and isolated and has accomplished very little because he's an incredible moron. e: the problem is GOP willingness to prop him up.
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Egbert Souse posted:It'll be funny if/when Gorsuch votes to strike it down if just for Trump's reaction. I'm not even trying to be "nothing matters" here, but there is a very real situation that their court packing scheme results in the Supreme Court upholding it. Like, Gorusch was appointed by Trump himself. The main chance is Kennedy, really. What I'm saying is that I will be on pins and needles over this. If the SC approves it, that's over on the muslim ban debate: they'd have to approve the belief that the President has the right to restrict access to the country based on Religion. That's a loving Plessy vs Ferguson level of horrible SC decisions. For those who don't know, PvF is the one that created segregation (overturned by Brown vs Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas)
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tetrapyloctomy posted:I saw them still laughing it up on the loving local news this morning when I was getting breakfast. Not a morning show, a news segment just before the weather, talking about the tweet and merchandise online. It remains funny, not sure how that qualifies as hung up...
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SirPablo posted:Someone took this threads idea and ran with it. Well, with a mediocre kill-death ratio.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/871405214124974080 I can believe it. it's stupid, childish and petty. That's Donald Trump
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Covok posted:I'm not even trying to be "nothing matters" here, but there is a very real situation that their court packing scheme results in the Supreme Court upholding it. Like, Gorusch was appointed by Trump himself. The main chance is Kennedy, really. What I'm saying is that I will be on pins and needles over this. If the SC approves it, that's over on the muslim ban debate: they'd have to approve the belief that the President has the right to restrict access to the country based on Religion. That's a loving Plessy vs Ferguson level of horrible SC decisions. For those who don't know, PvF is the one that created segregation (overturned by Brown vs Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas) and Roberts, because he's had one eye on his legacy the whole drat time, see the Obamacare decision and maybe Thomas, even Chy Lung jokes aside the only almost-definite "gently caress Muslims" vote is Alito, and even he has backed religious protections for Muslims in the past (presumably on the theory that it helps uphold the right of rear end in a top hat Christians to be assholes based on their alleged beliefs) if I had to place a bet right here and now, I'd go with 6-3 for the forces of good, because Roberts is going to want to write the decision even if he sides personally with the forces of evil (especially if he sides personally with the forces of evil)
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Pellisworth posted:Trump is neither strong nor powerful. He is physically and politically weak and isolated and has accomplished very little because he's an incredible moron. Let's not forget that during the 2016 campaign Trump hit rock bottom 3 times. 1) when he got on a twitter fight after the Orlando terrorist attack. 2) when he got into a feud with the Gold Star family 3) when the pussy grabbing video came out things got so desperate he actually had to make a sort-of apology for the first time in his life. He recovered from all those things but that's only because EMAILS were always there to remind people they hated Hilary too. Seriously the man is not invincible. He will always have his core groups of fanatics but a lot of people voted him over Hilary expecting him to do more than get in twitter fights with the London Mayor and play golf. Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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Pellisworth posted:Trump is neither strong nor powerful. He is physically and politically weak and isolated and has accomplished very little because he's an incredible moron. This seems exactly right, but many in this thread seem convinced he has a huge army of cultlike minions because once on sabrina the teenage witch and was a guest star of WWE. Like he was a D list celebrity that was C list for a short period. I am absolutely sure some people are massive fans that would do anything he said, but this thread seems to vastly overestimate how many people would take or leave him and follow him only exactly as far as he says the exact stuff they already thought.
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