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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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ultrabindu posted:This poll has 18-24 year olds on an 82% turnout. In 2015 in was 44%. It would seem young people really do hold the key to this election. That turned out not to be true.
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ultrabindu posted:This poll has 18-24 year olds on an 82% turnout. In 2015 in was 44%. It would seem young people really do hold the key to this election. Brexit was around 64%. I don't know about 82% but I hope we can at least break 70%, especially since Brexit has woken so many of us up, not to mention their manifesto is really youth friendly.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:02
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Brainiac Five posted:I'm not really sure that antifa is a good model for, say, investigating murders, which seems like one of the categories of crime that can't be almost eliminated in a socialist/anarchist society. Not to say that there's no solutions other than a slight variation on current policing, of course. Yeah, it was just an exmaple, I don't propose to have all the answers or anything but there are other ways of doing things and crime needn't be a problem we only answer with existing solutions.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:04
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TomViolence posted:Yeah, it was just an exmaple, I don't propose to have all the answers or anything but there are other ways of doing things and crime needn't be a problem we only answer with existing solutions. Yeah, I do worry that the emphasis on police as suppression leads left-wing people to unconsciously neglect the other functions of the police.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:05
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ultrabindu posted:This poll has 18-24 year olds on an 82% turnout. I keep reading this, buit doesnt it say 50%? http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Final-MoS-Post-BBC-Event-Poll-020617SWCH-1c0d4h9.pdf
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Jun 5, 2017 00:06
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I will not hope. I refuse to let myself feel hope. .....gnnnnnn dammit!
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Jun 5, 2017 00:06
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BillBear posted:Brexit was around 64%. I don't know about 82% but I hope we can at least break 70%, especially since Brexit has woken so many of us up, not to mention their manifesto is really youth friendly. it's this or I never forgive my lovely generation for throwing this away.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:07
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One poll has Lab 1% behind, another has them 15% behind. Young people always talk a big game about showing up to the polls and never actually show up on the day. If that's what you're going to pin your hopes on then, well...
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Jun 5, 2017 00:08
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Brainiac Five posted:I'm not really sure that antifa is a good model for, say, investigating murders, which seems like one of the categories of crime that can't be almost eliminated in a socialist/anarchist society. Not to say that there's no solutions other than a slight variation on current policing, of course. well now I just want to read an anarchist homicide-detective novel. how will the process of forcing them to dramatically return their badge and gun in the second act be affected? these are the important questions
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Jun 5, 2017 00:09
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ultrabindu posted:This poll has 18-24 year olds on an 82% turnout. In 2015 in was 44%. It would seem young people really do hold the key to this election. How do you work that one out?
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Jun 5, 2017 00:10
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Angepain posted:well now I just want to read an anarchist homicide-detective novel. how will the process of forcing them to dramatically return their badge and gun in the second act be affected? these are the important questions I think just saying "The badge and gun were loaned to you by the state. They must now be returned".
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Jun 5, 2017 00:10
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Josef bugman posted:I think just saying "The badge and gun were loaned to you by the state. They must now be returned". But that implies there is either an anarchist state or the detective is a relic of oppression from the previous government before the revolution left to continue their work by the local communes until now. Okay now there's a cool hook.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:13
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ultrabindu posted:This poll has 18-24 year olds on an 82% turnout. In 2015 in was 44%. It would seem young people really do hold the key to this election. No it doesn't, just clicking through the figures you can see they've got them at 50% turnout, not 82%.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:13
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Anarchists are well aware of the need for law and order, but as TomViolence says the majority of efforts would be on preventing crime by ensuring everyones needs were met in a society based on mutual aid and free association. Crimes would still need to be dealt with, and the suggestion is some kind of volunteer militia whose members can be revoked by society at any time. This is the key, as it means that the people serving the role of police are neither above citizens in a power hierarchy nor have a monopoly on violence in society. This is the current issue libertarian leftists have with the police today - no matter how nice an individual police officer is, they still wield massive power over you through violence to which you don't really have a retort.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:13
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Brainiac Five posted:Yeah, I do worry that the emphasis on police as suppression leads left-wing people to unconsciously neglect the other functions of the police. I guess a step in the right direction would be a demilitarisation of policing or at least a re-evaluation of their role. As it stands right now they cover an expansive portfolio of stuff that could be considered repressive to varying degrees, from riot control to counter-terrorism, and spinning some of those aspects of policing off to other agencies could at least make their relationship with some subsets of the public less antagonistic and authoritarian.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:14
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If your society doesn't have wealth inequality then the problem of the police supporting that is no longer present. The problem of the police enforcing injustice is a problem of the law and society being unjust, there's no reason why you can't have police in a more just society.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:15
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MikeCrotch posted:Crimes would still need to be dealt with, and the suggestion is some kind of volunteer militia whose members can be revoked by society at any time. This is the key, as it means that the people serving the role of police are neither above citizens in a power hierarchy nor have a monopoly on violence in society. This is the current issue libertarian leftists have with the police today - no matter how nice an individual police officer is, they still wield massive power over you through violence to which you don't really have a retort. What 'retort' would those who receive attention from this militia have?
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Jun 5, 2017 00:16
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TheRat posted:I keep reading this, buit doesnt it say 50%? http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Final-MoS-Post-BBC-Event-Poll-020617SWCH-1c0d4h9.pdf
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Jun 5, 2017 00:18
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TheRat posted:I keep reading this, buit doesnt it say 50%? http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Final-MoS-Post-BBC-Event-Poll-020617SWCH-1c0d4h9.pdf  50% turnout 18-34, 66.9% 35-54, 78.3% 55+.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:19
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R. Guyovich posted:abolishing private property is the sort of thing that has the kind of widespread repercussions where you'd need a police force of some kind, if only to fight counter-revolution Yeah didn't communists invent the police state since its instrumental for the kind of massive huge scale murder and crushing of dissent necessary to rob everyone of everything they own?
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Jun 5, 2017 00:19
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hakimashou posted:Yeah didn't capitalists invent the police state since its instrumental for the kind of massive huge scale murder and crushing of dissent necessary to rob everyone of everything they own? Yeah, you're spot on.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:21
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Angepain posted:well now I just want to read an anarchist homicide-detective novel. how will the process of forcing them to dramatically return their badge and gun in the second act be affected? these are the important questions  An anarcho-syndicalist PD would potentially give too much power to the police unions. There could be a scene where the police union has to vote on whether the detective keeps their badge and gun. A green anarchist PD would probably see the police as accountable to a democratic municipality, with open records after the case. Also their guns would fire lead free bullets. Anarcho-primativist homicide detective would angrily slam his leaf on the rock and refuse to hand over his stick, which belongs to the Earth anyway.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:22
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I'm far to the left on a lot of issues but the idea of abolishing the police seems pretty out there to me. Surely in a well running socialist society crime would be reduced such that the police become pretty toothless due to a lack of serious crime (I'm thinking "demolition man" here)
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Jun 5, 2017 00:22
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hakimashou posted:Yeah didn't communists invent the police state since its instrumental for the kind of massive huge scale murder and crushing of dissent necessary to rob everyone of everything they own? No that's capitalism. Easy mistake they both begin with the letter C. Like your real name.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:22
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I think Corbyn himself is going to be a big deal for the youth turnout. He's really popular among young people and is the first politician in ages to actually mobilise them, so I think a turnout over 50% is very likely.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:22
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TomViolence posted:Yeah, you're spot on. *Swipes dozens of toothbrushes effortlessly, spins NKVD cap*
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Jun 5, 2017 00:22
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Do detectives and forensics teams really need to be part of a police force anyway? Surely the investigation arm of crime fighting and the enforcement arm can easily be separated into two distinct and differently structured bodies. hakimashou posted:Yeah didn't communists invent the police state since its instrumental for the kind of massive huge scale murder and crushing of dissent necessary to rob everyone of everything they own? No, it was the Prussians.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:23
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Do detectives and forensics teams really need to be part of a police force anyway?
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Jun 5, 2017 00:24
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jBrereton posted:Don't worry mate we privatised forensics during the last parliament, incredibly. Well I feel safer already. One fewer set of bastards. 
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Jun 5, 2017 00:25
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holy loving poo poo do I hate whoevers running the guardian newspaper.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:27
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Al-Saqr posted:holy loving poo poo do I hate whoevers running the guardian newspaper. 
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Jun 5, 2017 00:29
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Regarde Aduck posted:No that's capitalism. Easy mistake they both begin with the letter C. Like your real name. I must say I like Corbyn's speeches more than I like his forum posts
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Jun 5, 2017 00:29
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Oberleutnant posted:in just the last year or two we've seen examples of them spying on elected politicians and infiltrating left wing progressive political groups among other equal heinous poo poo. Incidentally, guess who it's been confirmed was spied on for many years? That's right! The OB in general haven't been a fan for many years on general principle first, and then specifically because he stood up for Bernie Grant when the tabloids were putting the boot in after Broadwater Farm. (If Grant hadn't died and was still in parliament he'd probably be Shadow Home Secretary now, if for no other reason than to annoy MI5, and it makes me deeply sad that this didn't get a chance to happen.) He may be calling for more police numbers, but were he to be elected you can be quite certain that he'd initiate a major public inquiry into Orgreave and a much stronger line taken on police misconduct.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:29
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40154578 Enough is enough is enough is enough is enough is enough is enough is enough is enough is enough is enough is
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Jun 5, 2017 00:36
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Christ alive, but I loving hate the press in this country.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:38
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Angepain posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40154578 It's such a dumb soundbite, and it's only being deployed because there's an election in a few days because it's going to look really loving stupid when another attack happens. I mean was it not enough when Manchester happened?
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Jun 5, 2017 00:39
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Angepain posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40154578 Weird front page for a paper endorsing Corbyn.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:41
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Wikipedia posted:The controversy, however, did not prevent him becoming MP for Tottenham in the 1987 election, one of only four black MPs at the time, the others being Diane Abbott, Paul Boateng and Keith Vaz. I get what they're trying to say, I think. But still.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:41
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Has The Sun come out with its prediction/endorsement yet?
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Trin Tragula posted:
Fuuuuuuuck I REALLY want him to win!
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