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jivjov posted:Saber attachments: Are tbere any upgrades for the Solari crystal?
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Crystals linked to Morality is still just as stupid as it was in KotOR.
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New Force Power:  Also, rules for different force traditions, including Sith Lords. That was a surprise.
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Covok posted:
What do you mean by rules Like "here's how you might act if you're trying to RP a member of such-and-such tradition, here are their tenets, here's some other flavor about them", or something mechanical?
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PupsOfWar posted:What do you mean by rules Mechanical. Like, if you want to be a Sith Lord, you get a 15 XP reduction to buying the basic power of Heal/Harm, Misdirect, and Protect/Unleash, minimum cost 5XP. However, you got a drawback: whenever your morality drops, double the amount it drops. So, if you got Conflict 7 and roll a 3, you go down by 8 morality instead of 4. You can buy this drawback away by spending 30XP. You know, if you ever want to be redeemed. Frankly, sounds like a hell of a deal to me, especially since it doesn't require you being dark side to do it. All the force traditions do that: benefit and drawback. Except for Jedi. They claim the Jedi option is choosing a Jedi mentor in the corebook (5XP reduction to all basic powers). One could argue the drawback is the opportunity cost of the other chargen benefits. The ones included are: Baran Do Sages Dagoyan Masters Gand Findsmen Sith Lords This is on page 79. I could post all their benefits and drawbacks, but that could be 
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Jun 5, 2017 02:02
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Covok posted:Mechanical. Like, if you want to be a Sith Lord, you get a 15 XP reduction to buying the basic power of Heal/Harm, Misdirect, and Protect/Unleash, minimum cost 5XP. However, you got a drawback: whenever your morality drops, double the amount it drops. So, if you got Conflict 7 and roll a 3, you go down by 8 morality instead of 4. You can buy this drawback away by spending 30XP. You know, if you ever want to be redeemed. Frankly, sounds like a hell of a deal to me, especially since it doesn't require you being dark side to do it. It might be, but the "I have it" thread in the FFG community forums has all that and a hell of a lot more detail, so people can find it there if they want to go check it out.
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Jun 5, 2017 03:31
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So in the current game I'm playing in I've got a Zabrak Marauder/Enforcer with the Enhance force tree. I'm tougher than all the other character by a mile but my offense feels a step behind with Brawling. Is this just a downside to the flexibility of brawling or have I taken a bad step? I would post my talents and stuff but my sheet is at home :/ but my Brawn is currently a 5 since I know that matters.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:15
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TheKingslayer posted:So in the current game I'm playing in I've got a Zabrak Marauder/Enforcer with the Enhance force tree. I'm tougher than all the other character by a mile but my offense feels a step behind with Brawling. Is this just a downside to the flexibility of brawling or have I taken a bad step? Brawling definitely does less damage than Melee (vibroaxe) or ranged heavy.
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Jun 10, 2017 23:08
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alg posted:Brawling definitely does less damage than Melee (vibroaxe) or ranged heavy. Gotcha. It makes sense but I'm not overly familiar with the system. I'll take solace in the fact that most of the group falls down long before I do.
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Jun 10, 2017 23:12
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TheKingslayer posted:So in the current game I'm playing in I've got a Zabrak Marauder/Enforcer with the Enhance force tree. I'm tougher than all the other character by a mile but my offense feels a step behind with Brawling. Is this just a downside to the flexibility of brawling or have I taken a bad step? Get the giant arm blades, mod them to the nines, be space Wolverine.
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Jun 11, 2017 00:06
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Are there ways to add more hard points or am I restricted to just the one they both have?
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Jun 11, 2017 00:17
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TheKingslayer posted:Are there ways to add more hard points or am I restricted to just the one they both have? Tinkerer. Probably not worth it, honestly. One per item, one item per rank.
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Jun 11, 2017 00:53
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TheKingslayer posted:So in the current game I'm playing in I've got a Zabrak Marauder/Enforcer with the Enhance force tree. I'm tougher than all the other character by a mile but my offense feels a step behind with Brawling. Is this just a downside to the flexibility of brawling or have I taken a bad step? Try the Martial Artist specialization from No Disintegrations, the Bounty Hunter Book. It's built around making your Brawl more effective.
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Jun 11, 2017 01:38
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Actually, speaking from personal experience, gently caress Enhance, get up to 2 FR and go hard down the left side of Sense. Two upgrades on all your attacks, plus two upgrades against the first two attacks you take every round.
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Ablative posted:Actually, speaking from personal experience, gently caress Enhance, get up to 2 FR and go hard down the left side of Sense. The wookiee Armorer/Marauder in my campaign has invested in both. Enhance for the extra ability die and point of soak (the utility of which is somewhat increased by Supreme Armor Master), as well as the occasional force-leap, which is useful since his main weakness is lack of strain and mobility. Sense for the double buff and for RP utility. Sense is particularly good if you can stack the defensive buff with a couple of ranks in Dodge or the offensive buff with a couple of ranks in Frenzied Attack.
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Jun 11, 2017 02:20
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I've got a player going crazy with the weapon and armour modifications. Is there anything I need to watch out for? Armour spikes, underslung flamethrower, the VX "Sidewinder" Repeating Blaster with an Overcharge Valve are the current things on his shopping list. He's also excited for the armour attachment that lets him strap a weapon to it.
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Jun 12, 2017 13:12
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Disruptors.
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Crit rating 1 weapons can be pretty powerful if your player also specs for high crit rolls - only really need to worry he's melee though.
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Underslung flamethrowers can be very nasty (breach is stunningly good) but can be balanced by the fact that it is almost as illegal as lightsabers are in Imperial space
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Jun 12, 2017 18:17
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So, other than briefly playing one of the starter adventures, I'll be playing this system for the first time in a month or two. I'm working on a character, and wanted to know if there are any common character building tips. If it matters, we will be playing Edge of the Empire primarily, though Age of Rebellion material is allowed. I'm currently thinking of playing a surgical droid with the Colonist: Doctor career. I read somewhere it's beneficial to spend starting XP primarily on Characterstics. Does that sound right?
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Jun 12, 2017 19:22
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glitchwraith posted:I read somewhere it's beneficial to spend starting XP primarily on Characterstics. Does that sound right?
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Jun 12, 2017 19:49
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nelson posted:Generally, yes. But in shorter campaigns, one-shots, and certain specific character builds, no. I'll keep that in mind. It is planned to be long term, but with this group, that could easily become a one shot or relatively short game. Will probably save some points for a few off-class skills and a talent or two.
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Jun 12, 2017 20:29
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For most species you'll have 5-10 XP left over anyway. I think it's pretty rare to be able to spend literally all of your starting XP on characteristics.
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Jun 12, 2017 22:48
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I usually buy a point or two and get whatever else I need from Dedication. I ran my first game of Chronicles of the Gatekeeper and it went pretty well. One of my players re-purposed his old character from an abandoned Old Republic campaign we ran last year (a force time warp brought him to the current timeline, long story), along with their former group mentor, who is now a goofy old force ghost. I had the force ghost muster the party members and put them in the same cantina at the same time. I then had him play matchmaker with everyone until they all got drunk together and became BFFs. We didn't get far but this was a new group of characters so I wanted them to get to know each other before just throwing them in. Also, beware the bearsloth!
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Jun 12, 2017 23:11
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glitchwraith posted:So, other than briefly playing one of the starter adventures, I'll be playing this system for the first time in a month or two. I'm working on a character, and wanted to know if there are any common character building tips. If it matters, we will be playing Edge of the Empire primarily, though Age of Rebellion material is allowed. I'm currently thinking of playing a surgical droid with the Colonist: Doctor career. I read somewhere it's beneficial to spend starting XP primarily on Characterstics. Does that sound right? You don't need to try and max out your primary stat for whatever you're doing. A 3 is perfectly serviceable (though personally I still shoot for a 4) trying to get to 5 in a stat will leave you under equipped for things that aren't your speciality.
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8one6 posted:You don't need to try and max out your primary stat for whatever you're doing. A 3 is perfectly serviceable (though personally I still shoot for a 4) trying to get to 5 in a stat will leave you under equipped for things that aren't your speciality. Ah, good. A 3 in Intelligence was what I had been shooting for, and that was the most likely one to get bumped to 4 if I could budget it. Since I'm playing a droid, though, I'll need to spread them out to minimize dump stats. I'll have to play with the numbers to figure out the sweet spot. Thanks again for the input, everyone.
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Jun 13, 2017 14:44
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The exception to not shooting for 5 is Brawn, since it does double duty.
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Jun 13, 2017 22:47
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wiegieman posted:The exception to not shooting for 5 is Brawn, since it does double duty. Yeah, if you're using a sword and you can hit 5 then do so. Be the wookie stab beast!
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Jun 13, 2017 23:59
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8one6 posted:Yeah, if you're using a sword and you can hit 5 then do so. Be the wookie stab beast! My murder wookie slaughtering a cargo container's worth of Stormtroopers is still one of my fondest tabletop memories.
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So, attributes work kinda weird! They have almost a sort of reverse chargen problem, where they're a flat cost after chargen (though of course you have to GET the talent) but in chargen the cost scales depending on level. Personally, I find 3's in "side attributes" and a 4 in "main attribute" to be fine; first dedication can either knock that 4 into a 5, or turn a 3 into a 4, depending on what I'm going for. But, I like playing non-humans, or rather, I like playing with a 1 somewhere.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:18
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An attribute will never be cheaper than at character creation. The dedication talent requires you to finish a career (100-150 xp) and spend 25 xp on the talent itself. Talents and skill ranks always cost the same so it makes sense to buy them later, especially in a game where more dice is always better.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:21
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wiegieman posted:An attribute will never be cheaper than at character creation. The dedication talent requires you to finish a career (100-150 xp) and spend 25 xp on the talent itself. Talents and skill ranks always cost the same so it makes sense to buy them later, especially in a game where more dice is always better. Yes, but the weighing of attributes is all screwy because that talent raises one attribute by one regardless, whereas in chargen it costs more to raise them higher depending on how high they already are.
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ProfessorCirno posted:Yes, but the weighing of attributes is all screwy because that talent raises one attribute by one regardless, whereas in chargen it costs more to raise them higher depending on how high they already are. Huh, I never considered that. It does make the odds of anyone using dedication to turn a 1 into a 2 really low.
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But by the same token, when you buy dedication for a level 4 characteristic you get a 50 xp benefit, as opposed to 40 xp worth for a level 3 -- and you've been rolling 4 dice instead of 3 for the whole time it took you to get there.
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ProfessorCirno posted:Yes, but the weighing of attributes is all screwy because that talent raises one attribute by one regardless, whereas in chargen it costs more to raise them higher depending on how high they already are. I mean yeah its not as clean as that because every table is wildly different in terms of dedicate value to begin with (because they straight up talent taxes between dedications on talent trees which are too good). Ultimately this just reinforces the gold rule of spending as much xp as possible on stats.
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So, correct me if I'm mistaken, but it seems like you really have to pick 1-3 characteristics to be "dump stats" that you never plan on using. Like a pilot would dump brawn and cunning for sure. Then you pick 1 characteristic to shoot for a 4 or 5 in (the pilot would choose agility). Then the other characteristics are in the "maybe? I dunno, we'll see" category. So for my Force Sensitive Exile/Pilot Human I chose Agility to be my high characteristic, going with a 4 and will use my first Dedication to raise it to a 5. Brawn is my dump stat, so I stuck with 2 in that and will never raise it. Willpower is my secondary so I went with a 3 in that. Cunning and Presence are both my "we'll see" stats, starting off with the basic 2 but they maaay get raised with a future dedication. It becomes even more important if you're playing a droid, where you really have to build your characteristics from the ground up, right?
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FuriousAngle posted:So, correct me if I'm mistaken, but it seems like you really have to pick 1-3 characteristics to be "dump stats" that you never plan on using. Like a pilot would dump brawn and cunning for sure. Then you pick 1 characteristic to shoot for a 4 or 5 in (the pilot would choose agility). Then the other characteristics are in the "maybe? I dunno, we'll see" category. Yeah kinda, I find 5 a bit overkill but Agility is kind of the king stat so you can get away with rushing a 5 if you want. Essentially you have two super common stat spreads as a non-droid character that require 100xp which isn't hard start with if you've got some obligation to get the 90 or 95 from race to bounce it up): 4/3/3/2/2/1 (humans can only go 4/3/2/2/2/2) or 3/3/3/2/2/2 (humans can go 3/3/3/3/2/2) You can obviously put those stats in any order but I'm just using this to show the range of starting stats. On the left is the focused character who essentially picks 1 great stat and 2 good stats but must eat 1 garbage stat and the generalist who picks 3 good stats amd 3 average stats. Humans are a bit different but obviously they are way better generalists with their bonus xp and no negative stat. It's important to note that the average check for this game is 2 purple dice so if you can find just a single blue dice to add to a check for some reason then your stat of 2 suddenly becomes more likely to pass than fail against the standard check. 2 is not a dump stat but very much average chance of pass or fail on most things. You are definitely right in that you will pick half the stats to be ones you care about and want to upgrade and about half you don't.
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ProfessorCirno posted:Yes, but the weighing of attributes is all screwy because that talent raises one attribute by one regardless, whereas in chargen it costs more to raise them higher depending on how high they already are. The math and scaling in this game is all over the shop across the board.
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I don't know what kind of game you are playing but my players who started with 4s in their primary stat almost always succeed in their chosen abilities. 5 is probably not necessary.
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5 is great for unskilled checks of associated skills but for someone who specializes in those skills, 4 is enough IME
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