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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:have u googled öcalan today comrade I actually did just a few moments ago  Most (all) of what I know about him comes from Badmouse's history of anarchism video, where he says (flippantly? idk) Ocalan heirarchically told his marxist leninist crew to go anti-heirarchical. I was gonna make a joke about DSA adopting the immortal science of Bookchinism-Ocalanism. democratic confederalism edit: its a good post, ocalan is a good google
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ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 22:11 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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I mean, it makes sense to say "here is a set of bylaws, by default when you form a chapter you have these bylaws but you can immediately vote to edit, amend or replace them provided you have a) An official conflict resolution mechanism b) a code of conduct c)some form of sexual harassment policy. The 6 month mandatory period doesn't really do anything other than tie people's hands and foment ill will. Given the way a lot of chapters treat bylaws, I think it's not terribly likely the many will extensively edit the default set anyway provided they aren't completely awful.
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Jun 2, 2017 21:38
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all credit to FillOchs: https://twitter.com/fillochs/status/870289555190054912 yeah I see what you're saying 
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Baby Babbeh posted:I mean, it makes sense to say "here is a set of bylaws, by default when you form a chapter you have these bylaws but you can immediately vote to edit, amend or replace them provided you have a) An official conflict resolution mechanism b) a code of conduct c)some form of sexual harassment policy. The 6 month mandatory period doesn't really do anything other than tie people's hands and foment ill will. Given the way a lot of chapters treat bylaws, I think it's not terribly likely the many will extensively edit the default set anyway provided they aren't completely awful. That's a good suggestion. Please send this to the Spring crew 
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Jun 2, 2017 21:47
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Baby Babbeh posted:I mean, it makes sense to say "here is a set of bylaws, by default when you form a chapter you have these bylaws but you can immediately vote to edit, amend or replace them provided you have a) An official conflict resolution mechanism b) a code of conduct c)some form of sexual harassment policy. The 6 month mandatory period doesn't really do anything other than tie people's hands and foment ill will. Given the way a lot of chapters treat bylaws, I think it's not terribly likely the many will extensively edit the default set anyway provided they aren't completely awful. I don't want to tie anyone's hands, and I think there are a lot of things that different chapters should be able to immediately adapt to their specific needs, but I also feel like having a uniform code of conduct/harassment policy is valuable--especially for instances of harassment between members of different chapters, if nothing else.
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Jun 2, 2017 21:49
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apokaladle posted:I'll be honest and say that I've been working on other things and fairly checked out of DSA stuff for a little while, but I'm curious what bylaws ChickenOfTomorrow/SomeMathGuy are worried about. tl;dr - not everything that works for, say, New York is going to work for Cheyenne or what have you, and we need an apparatus that accommodates that.
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Jun 2, 2017 21:59
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I think a hardline national standard would be a good idea for certain civil rights issues ie, condeming transphobia throughout the group as apparently thats popped up as a problem and standard for that would make a good statement.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:42
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heres a suggestion: terfs get the gently caress out
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Jun 3, 2017 06:13
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Nonsense I'm sure there's plenty TERFs can contriahahahahahahahaha nah they're the loving worst.
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Jun 3, 2017 06:27
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TERFs just seem like people angry that the culture passed them by. Like, they just need biological sex to be a stable, self-sufficient, obvious natural category onto which gendered behavior is projected and once they can't have that they just lose their goddamn minds. They seem to get confused about the difference between gender dysphoria and people thinking women have to wear makeup and high heels, like it's still 1972. It would be quaint if they didn't know how to dox people or do gamergate-style swarms. I don't even understand why trans people would be on the radar of anyone serious about radical feminism as anything other than a minor issue in an age when politicians seriously argue that men shouldn't have to pay into insurance that covers prenatal care, or when an incestuous rapist is president. If you're going to gently caress up anybody's life over the internet, maybe hit some of those mras or literal nazis.
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Jun 3, 2017 06:38
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It's important to have bylaws imo (however informal they are) and you probably want them put together by the people using them. It's like eating your vegetables, for political organizing. Even if they're just a page or two long.
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Ruzihm posted:Yeah, I have to say I agree with your criticisms. Although I think there might be some justification for the probationary bylaws (though I think 6 months may be too long). Due to how DSA limits chapter creation based upon zip codes or something, there can only be so many DSA chapters in a small area (if i understand correctly). If the right were to see DSA as an obstacle, I could easily see some running interference by starting up chapters with bogus bylaws that disenfranchise potential authentic members from upsetting the leadership & joining in an official capacity. Having probationary bylaws allows for a period of time where actual leftists could shake out trolls before they are disenfranchised & without having to petition national for an investigation. South Bay DSA encompasses a wide swath of outlying areas with no other hub. Silicon Valley is currently a branch of South Bay, until the paperwork makes us a full chapter, but that's all just formalities. People getting together and coordinating actions that they find worthwhile is the meat of the organization. It can be you-DSA certified whenever.
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ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 22:11 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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Jun 6, 2017 04:33
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:who else is going to the DSA National Leadership Trainings this summer? idk what that is but i got elected to a delegate position 
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Jun 6, 2017 04:50
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that's even better, congrats!
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the most extreme terfs are really obviously damaged people, the classic example being witchwind who went from extreme, Valerie Solanas-style crazy feminism to complete apocalyptic despair at how men have raped the planet and species to death
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Jun 6, 2017 15:48
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Idk if anyone else is going to the national convention but I'd be open to a bar night or something if there's a goon delegation and enough people want to meet up
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Jun 7, 2017 03:19
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I'm on the fence about running since I'm concerned it might be a bit of a dramatic shitshow. Also, there's this about Massachusetts: http://inthesetimes.com/article/20193/sanders-backers-plant-far-left-flag-in-the-massachusetts-democratic-party Didn't we have a goon say they were going?
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unbutthurtable posted:I'm on the fence about running since I'm concerned it might be a bit of a dramatic shitshow dude, "a dramatic shitshow" is catnip for goons!!
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can the goon caucus at the DSA national convention live up to the legacy of awkwardness of goonmeets past?
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unbutthurtable posted:Also, there's this about Massachusetts: http://inthesetimes.com/article/20193/sanders-backers-plant-far-left-flag-in-the-massachusetts-democratic-party Didn't we have a goon say they were going? A couple of goons, GlyphGryph and me
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if you plan on reading capital, we're going through week by week over here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3816646&pagenumber=1 It might be a bit late to catch up but you might enjoy reading along with the thread and watching the videos as you read the book.
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This is what I'm doing. The lectures are really good and help make sense of the material, especially for the the first few chapters which are both overly dense and without a lot of the context you need to really get them.
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Business Gorillas posted:Idk if anyone else is going to the national convention but I'd be open to a bar night or something if there's a goon delegation and enough people want to meet up I will likely be attending, and would be open for a goon meet at some point. I'll be coming with a big delegation, so I assume we will be having social events and such and people should come out.
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Shear Modulus posted:can the goon caucus at the DSA national convention live up to the legacy of awkwardness of goonmeets past? i figure we're all going to be in the city drinking with socialist strangers anyways so we can just chat about leftism with people we're vaguely aware of through the most powerful medium: posting
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My partner is a delegate so I will be following in the great failson tradition and bumming around Chicago getting drunk while she does more important things.
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Does anyone know how new membership contact info is passed down from national to local chapters? From what I'm being told, it... doesn't. I find it hard to believe national is incapable of checking a zip code, finding the chapter, and forwarding on name, phone number, and email address to the local chapter. Surely I'm hearing incorrectly?
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Jun 11, 2017 02:39
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My local posed this question to national a while back; they won't directly share the contact details of local members, likely for privacy/security reasons, but you can ask them to put out a mass email that will be sent to DSA members in the area.
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Internet Explorer posted:Does anyone know how new membership contact info is passed down from national to local chapters? From what I'm being told, it... doesn't. I find it hard to believe national is incapable of checking a zip code, finding the chapter, and forwarding on name, phone number, and email address to the local chapter. Surely I'm hearing incorrectly? That doesn't precisely jive with my experience, where our contact person was receiving periodic updates from national. It could be that they don't have a designated contact person for your local for that sort of thing? Or it's that whole Colorado used to be a state organization thing loving it up again.
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Fullhouse posted:My local posed this question to national a while back; they won't directly share the contact details of local members, likely for privacy/security reasons, but you can ask them to put out a mass email that will be sent to DSA members in the area. I can understand them not wanting to share contact information with random members, but they should at least be willing to share it with local elected leadership. SomeMathGuy posted:That doesn't precisely jive with my experience, where our contact person was receiving periodic updates from national. It could be that they don't have a designated contact person for your local for that sort of thing? Or it's that whole Colorado used to be a state organization thing loving it up again. I'm almost positive this is it, but it sounds like every time we ask national we get a different answer. Anything beyond "an email gets sent on the 1st of every month to your Chair/Vice-Chair with both a list of new members and a list of all existing local members" is completely unacceptable. I've volunteered to pester national about it until I get an acceptable answer.
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Jun 11, 2017 03:06
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Please share the answer with us when you get one because our mentor said she'd ask and we haven't heard back
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I think national does share lists with EBDSA at least. I've yet to attend an event but got my voting guide for the meeting on the 24th today in the mail and have gotten other stuff from East Bay
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I'm interested in joining but my local DSA chapter holds its meetings on the days I have work. Am I poo poo out of luck for the near future
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