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Party Boat posted:Cameron thought no-one was going to win in 2015 which is why he promised the brexit vote, it would have been the first thing to go in coalition negotiations Apparently it can turn out where they can't put together any coalition and have to do the whole election over again. That would be the A+++ outcome. May winning and Britain going to Brexit Hell would be an A++ outcome in terms of being a hilarious shitshow. Corbyn winning and Britain being run by a wild eyed commie throwback nutcase would be an A++ outcome in terms of being a hilarious shitshow.
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Aliquid posted:wait so wikileaks is pro-trump and pro-corbyn Yeah corbyn is anti nato/anti american and would destabilize and weaken britain and europe. Wikileaks is a russian proxy propaganda and intelligence service and its actively hostile to western democracy.
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hakimashou posted:Yeah corbyn is anti nato/anti american and would destabilize and weaken britain and europe. Oh poo poo you're that guy.
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Ignore hakamishou's award for top quality posting. He hasn't got a clue about anything.
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Baron Corbyn posted:Ignore hakamishou's award for top quality posting. He hasn't got a clue about anything. What was I wrong about there out of curiosity?
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Who actually votes lib dem like, seriously, who, who wants them
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rudatron posted:Who actually votes lib dem Libertarians, super-centrists and people who just haven't moved on afaik.
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rudatron posted:Who actually votes lib dem The lib dem politicians I've seen all have the same sort of look about them. I can't put my finger on it. They're all just weird. I imagine their voters are the same.
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rudatron posted:Who actually votes lib dem The Lib Dems were the only major party to oppose the war in Iraq. If you squint really hard and imagine everything was specifically Nick Clegg's fault, you could maybe imagine them as still having some credibility.
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rudatron posted:Who actually votes lib dem Young, better off men in south east England. I heard Stephen Bush describe the typical lib dem voter as the kind of guy who has atheist in his twitter bio and from the thankfully scant interaction I've had with them in my life, that is painfully accurate.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:They're supposedly in favor of anything that weakens the Western order vis-a-vis Putin, and I guess you could argue that NATO's alliance with Saudi Arabia is part of that. But I think their actual politics if any are more complicated than that. 
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Oh yeah and the LDs are running on an anti-Brexit platform, which is probably worth a few percentage points in itself.
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lol https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/05/farmers-feeling-increasingly-gloomy-about-future-ahead-of-brexit-says-nfu quote:Despite overwhelmingly being in support of leaving the European Union at the Brexit referendum, farmers are increasingly gloomy now that they are staring down the reality of what leaving will entail.
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think this only has youth voting at around 50% lol
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I've also heard that Methodists have been historically linked to the Lib Dems Dunno how well that holds now
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hakimashou posted:What was I wrong about there out of curiosity? In the post quoted specifically, Corbyn weakening and destabilising Europe for one. May acting as a fifth column in Europe and preventing us from putting up a united front against Trumpism is a far bigger threat than Corbyn's animus towards the USA which is actually mainstream in Europe right now. There's nothing in his manifesto that would weaken or destabilise Britain either but I admit a minority Labour government might do so if some of his MPs act the same way towards him as Prime Minister as they do as leader.
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you're putting a lot of effort into responding to hakimashou about politics. you'd do better talking to him about taiwan
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There are more Americans in this thread who might not know enough about hak or British politics to realise he talks a load of bullocks 
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Jose posted:you're putting a lot of effort into responding to hakimashou about politics. you'd do better talking to him about taiwan Which is #1 btw
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I've also heard that Methodists have been historically linked to the Lib Dems Probably not very well. It makes sense historically I guess, South West England has pretty strong Methodist roots and that was the Liberal/Lib Dem heartland (until they lost every one of their seats there in 2015 lol)
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Hebrides holding strong, go libdems!!
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Baron Corbyn posted:In the post quoted specifically, Corbyn weakening and destabilising Europe for one. May acting as a fifth column in Europe and preventing us from putting up a united front against Trumpism is a far bigger threat than Corbyn's animus towards the USA which is actually mainstream in Europe right now. There's nothing in his manifesto that would weaken or destabilise Britain either but I admit a minority Labour government might do so if some of his MPs act the same way towards him as Prime Minister as they do as leader. You guys are just going to have to suffer through trumpism to one extent or another with us, fences can be mended later. I don't think corbyn is some existential threat to britain or europe or stability, but he's not mainstream and he could be disruptive. He's far too friendly toward bad actors like Iran and probably Venezuela and suffers from the disgusting shame of many from that kind of left where American ""imperialism"" is imagined to be the worst of all ills. Its tragic that the good kind of leftism get stained with that debased wretchedness. I don't think its too controversial to say that there is more to Corbyn than just Labour's manifesto. He doesn't seem very friendly to britain's powerful financial sector either. I do believe and have said before that any harm he is able to do to NATO and the military solidarity of democratic countries might well be offset by making the brexit 'softer' and maintaining european solidarity there. I do think he'd be probably be better for british people than Theresa May, and if I were British I could not bring myself to vote for a tory, just as I would never vote for a Republican here. He is divisive and disruptive because he's outside the liberal political consensus of the democratic world. That's reason enough by itself for Russia to prefer him and for its agents like wikileaks to do their thing. The Brexit itself is the main boon to the Kremlin, but I don't think they're putting themselves out too much having wikileaks nudge things toward a little extra icing on the cake. hakimashou has issued a correction as of 09:02 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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I remember the halcyon days of this thread, when we talked about what really mattered: space communism
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he's going hard against saudi arabia and its going mainstream which is very ftw
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rudatron posted:I remember the halcyon days of this thread, when we talked about what really mattered: space communism Yeah seriously this place was red af in gordy brown's time, what happened
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Aliquid posted:Yeah seriously this place was red af in gordy brown's time, what happened Look at the DnD UK thread.
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hak, I'm assuming it's deliberate but the way you always refer to Brexit as "the Brexit" is even more irritating than the fact Brexit caught on a name in the first place. Well done.
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Aliquid posted:Yeah seriously this place was red af in gordy brown's time, what happened
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What is this actually from? Aliquid posted:Yeah seriously this place was red af in gordy brown's time, what happened I think the traditional response is "GBS started leaking". UKMT is still fairly lefty, but there was a rather large cull of American voters who toxxed themselves about Trump. hakimashou posted:You guys are just going to have to suffer through trumpism to one extent or another with us, fences can be mended later. He's not mainstream for Britain. Within the EU he'd probably be being denounced as a splitter/capitalist. And why isn't American Imperialism "bad"? I mean you have the contras, US funding to the Mujahideen, US overthrowing the Democratic government of Iran, US funding terrorism in Africa. ETC ETC. Not saying that Russia and its invasions (Afghanistan for instance) or the general fuckwadery of South America (c.f. Venezuela) were better, its still Imperialism when you come down to it. Plus, as is becoming increasingly clear, the financial sector is nobodies friend but itself. You shouldn't be friendly because, for the most part, the financial powers just want to move round the world and pay as little tax as possible.
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Aliquid posted:Yeah seriously this place was red af in gordy brown's time, what happened the threads a bit new to have been around since then. cspam too
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Aliquid posted:Wrong poster I know, but does it matter?
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Josef bugman posted:What is this actually from? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lar0fNuBA1U
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Josef bugman posted:What is this actually from? It's from the british DnD thread. The yellow cartoon guy is Pissflaps, someone bought me this avatar to look like his. It's a great honor, he is one of the best posters on SA. American imperialism certainly hasn't been good, but fellow travelers and other people tend to use it as a catch-all for everything American, and even at some of our worst moments it was means to a worthy end. Not all but some. Like I said, the issue is when ""american imperialism"" with the big double quotation marks around it is fixated on as the worst thing on earth, even to the extent that people are willing to debase themselves by siding with real monsters. The financial sector isnt perfect but it is a significant element in britain's power. Britain will be both literally poorer and also more vulnerable if that industry moves away. I'd be thrilled if some of it moved to America, selfishly, and thrilled if some of it moved to europe, since I think Britain deserves to suffer for the Brexit, but any British leader has a moral and political responsibility to put the interests of Britain before anyone else.
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rudatron posted:Who actually votes lib dem My sister is a Lib Dem and Nick Clegg is still her favourite politician I love her and she usually has good views (she helps out the homeless, stuff like that) but i literally did a  when she told me this
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lol at our insanely poo poo voting system https://twitter.com/PickardJE/statu...D102%23lastpost
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Yeah but he needed a bulletproof vest, not an alternative voting system
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She needs life-saving medical equipment, not an alternative voting system. *underfunds the NHS, none of us get either*
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Josef bugman posted:He's not mainstream for Britain. Within the EU he'd probably be being denounced as a splitter/capitalist. Almost all of Europe now has pretty hard right government, including woke rear end pretty ones like Ireland or France. He is to the left within Europe even if he wants to leave it.
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