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Jun 5, 2017 09:26
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Tired Moritz posted:I suck at this game Probably. Care to go into more detail? People here might be able to help you suck less. Tip 1) You probably have Nino. You definitely have Sharena. You have all the units you need.
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Jun 5, 2017 09:30
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You need to give Ryoma an Armorslayer(not +) and unequip all other skills to unlock god mode
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Jun 5, 2017 09:34
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Ostentatious posted:You need to give Ryoma an Armorslayer(not +) and unequip all other skills to unlock god mode I've found this works better with Fir
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Jun 5, 2017 09:35
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Just make a team of Azama, Odin, Henry and Caeda. When your team ATK is so bad, it loops back onto itself and unlocks ultimate power.
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Jun 5, 2017 09:42
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My -ATK Azama is a great leveling support
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Jun 5, 2017 09:44
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chiasaur11 posted:Probably. Well, I got a Atk+/Def- Nino. Worth grinding up?
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Jun 5, 2017 09:48
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Tired Moritz posted:Well, I got a Atk+/Def- Nino. Worth grinding up? +SPD would be better but that's still a really good nature
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Jun 5, 2017 09:51
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Tired Moritz posted:Well, I got a Atk+/Def- Nino. Worth grinding up? Yes definitely. She and Sharena would be a more than decent arena core.
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Jun 5, 2017 09:53
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Tired Moritz posted:Well, I got a Atk+/Def- Nino. Worth grinding up? Put Darting Blow, Desperation and the HP seal on her and go hog wild.
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Jun 5, 2017 09:57
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Roger Explosion posted:Yes, I have one of her and I honestly wouldn't change her for a +SPD one. Often that little extra bit of attack has allowed me to OHKO units that I otherwise would not have been able to. A +SPD Nino with fury would have the same attack and SPD as that Nino, except with extra defenses from fury and not needing to initiate to get the speed.
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Jun 5, 2017 10:25
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Tired Moritz posted:Well, I got a Atk+/Def- Nino. Worth grinding up? definitely worth it. mine is similar, +atk -hp, and she pretty much carries me through everything. i like L&D a lot for the A slot.
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Jun 5, 2017 10:32
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Lovechop posted:definitely worth it. mine is similar, +atk -hp, and she pretty much carries me through everything. i like L&D a lot for the A slot. Does L&D allow you to OHKO relevant units Nino wouldn't OHKO without it? Otherwise it doesn't seem worth it since it makes Nino quite a bit worse at baiting. Being more vulnerable to Reinhardt is especially bad. Andrast fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Jun 5, 2017 10:39
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One of the traits that makes Nino great is her capability to bait heroes and survive at least one defense most of the time. I really like Fury on her because it helps ensure that happens and helps knock her into Desperation range.
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Jun 5, 2017 10:43
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Andrast posted:Does L&D allow you to OHKO relevant units Nino wouldn't OHKO without it? Otherwise it doesn't seem worth it since it makes Nino quite a bit worse at baiting. just going off the mass duel simulator: L&D3 - attacking - Wins: 74 Losses: 44 Inconclusive: 3 defending - Wins: 51 Losses: 66 Inconclusive: 4 Fury 3 - attacking - Wins: 63 Losses: 49 Inconclusive: 9 defending - Wins: 63 Losses: 39 Inconclusive: 19 so yeah, a bit worse at defending but i don't really use her to bait anything anyway.
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Jun 5, 2017 10:56
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Lovechop posted:man, i was hoping veronica would be a reward I figured they're waiting until she gives up in the story before having her available, but you can recriut Xander even though he still sides with her, so...
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Jun 5, 2017 11:05
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Andrast posted:A +SPD Nino with fury would have the same attack and SPD as that Nino, except with extra defenses from fury and not needing to initiate to get the speed.
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Jun 5, 2017 11:05
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They're gonna reveal that a dragon is making Veronica be evil, she'll be redeemed, and then we'll get her Then, six months to a year later, we'll find an even eviler dragon behind the first one, and be able to recruit the first one. This will continue as a nesting doll of ever-eviler dragons until the game dies
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Jun 5, 2017 11:08
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cheetah7071 posted:They're gonna reveal that a dragon is making Veronica be evil, she'll be redeemed, and then we'll get her No a Dragon is making Bruno evil. Veronica is just lonely.
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Jun 5, 2017 11:17
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SyntheticPolygon posted:No a Dragon is making Bruno evil. Veronica is just insane.
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Jun 5, 2017 11:20
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SyntheticPolygon posted:No a Dragon is making Bruno evil. Veronica is just lonely. Remember that this is Fire Emblem though and the answer is always that a dragon did it.
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Jun 5, 2017 11:39
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Momomo posted:Remember that this is Fire Emblem though and the answer is always that a dragon did it. I guess it's pretty likely she's lonely because of a Dragon. Maybe it ate her family or is controlling her brother or something. E: If it's insane to force fire emblem characters from various games in the series to fight for your amusement then the same could be said of all of us.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:03
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I guess it's pretty likely she's lonely because of a Dragon. Maybe it ate her family or is controlling her brother or something. Since she's still a princess (and FE doesn't have Disney's allergy to queens and empresses), I presume we'll meet Emperor Dad at some point. I'm having a bit of trouble with the rogue writeup - I really, really struggle to use the class. Am I just a bad player, or are all of the budget rogues apart from [insert favourite here] hot garbage?
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Jun 5, 2017 12:18
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Murderion posted:Since she's still a princess (and FE doesn't have Disney's allergy to queens and empresses), I presume we'll meet Emperor Dad at some point. I think her Dad's dead. Also, i've found Felicia to be pretty solid in GHB's and the like as a dedicated mage killer, though I have 5 starred her and all. But I can't imagine she'd be too good in arena.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:21
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Felicia can tank a +ATK rein so she can be somewhat useful
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Jun 5, 2017 12:27
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I am having a bear of a time in the Arena this week. It's frustrating. I'll be trucking along fine, then I'll have 1 or 2 people die 3-4 matches in. At this point, I'll be happy just to stay in my current Tier (17). Would I be better off trying to get a deathless run on the Intermediate dudes? I've always gone with the Advanced ones, but they're just killing me.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:37
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ApplesandOranges posted:Just make a team of Azama, Odin, Henry and Caeda. two reds and no greens? a recipe for disaster!
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Jun 5, 2017 12:38
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I have Jaffar as my only Lv. 40 5* dagger lad and my consensus is that he's good at wearing people down and can certainly get the drop on folks more often than not, but he has no answer if they close the gap or counter him right after because LaD just fucks him, since he's already a dagger user and these folks aren't known for taking a punch to the face well. If he gets got via a counter hit, the lowered Def/Res by 7 and extra 7 damage from his parting shot should help finish the job with who you have left. He also has Glimmer, which is decent. Jakob's my other 5* and I don't care much for him. He gets Renewal 3, so he can stick around in case he gets grazed and he learns Def +3 which is nice, I guess? He gets Silver Dagger+ which does what Jaffar can do except no extra 7 damage on starting a fight. My Kagero's a 4* and at 5*, she can lower D/R by 6 (but that seems to only stick on infantry and not the other unit types according to her skill description) and she does more damage against infantry as well. That alone is worth taking her to 5^ since a lot of the main threats are infantry units and it means she can poo poo on every other dagger user. She's practically the best and I'd put Jaffar behind her as second-best for damage. Felicia is good for Breath of Life if you're into that and her resistance is rad compared to other dagger users. She's also got Glacies at 4* and mine's sitting at 29 Res at 29, so that's a good chunk of damage. gently caress Gaius and Saizo. Matthew's like both of them except he sucks less because he has Saizo's Poison Strike and Gaius's Rogue Dagger and his voice isn't annoying and he doesn't waste my goddamn orbs when I'm trying to pull colorless from banners I want.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:46
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Dumb question, on the units who's C skill turns into "goad" does it still have any effect on other troop types? Are you better off equipping the lower rank skill if you aren't running a mono squad?
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Jun 5, 2017 14:04
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i really hope this isn't an X% of the Playerbase gets [Character] event. Those blow goats, One of the great things about Marvel: Future Fight is that the single temporary item was an optional costume, and Netmarbu realized what a mistake this was and haven't done anything similar since.
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Jun 5, 2017 14:06
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Trebek posted:Dumb question, on the units who's C skill turns into "goad" does it still have any effect on other troop types? Are you better off equipping the lower rank skill if you aren't running a mono squad? Correct on both. If you plan on using that unit outside of its movement type inheriting rank 3 of the non specialized skill could be a good idea
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Jun 5, 2017 14:26
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Clawtopsy posted:i really hope this isn't an X% of the Playerbase gets [Character] event. Those blow goats, One of the great things about Marvel: Future Fight is that the single temporary item was an optional costume, and Netmarbu realized what a mistake this was and haven't done anything similar since.
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Jun 5, 2017 14:26
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O man that new Sacred Seal: Quickened Pulse (lowers special cooldown by 1 on turn 1). I welcome our new overlord, +ATK Edit: Sorry, Galeforce is melee only. UchihaHirou fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Jun 5, 2017 14:28
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A Bystander posted:I have Jaffar as my only Lv. 40 5* dagger lad and my consensus is that he's good at wearing people down and can certainly get the drop on folks more often than not, but he has no answer if they close the gap or counter him right after because LaD just fucks him, since he's already a dagger user and these folks aren't known for taking a punch to the face well. If he gets got via a counter hit, the lowered Def/Res by 7 and extra 7 damage from his parting shot should help finish the job with who you have left. He also has Glimmer, which is decent. Thanks for the help. I'm gonna have a bit of trouble with this one because I'm not a big fan of characters that can't kill on their own, but I'll do my best. So let's have a look at Rogues!  It never ends. I endure, but it simply begins anew. Rogues are the other colourless support class. Rather than healing and buffs, rogues focus on softening up and debuffing the enemy before your troops swoop in for the kill. Daggers cause a penalty to def and res in the target after combat, so the stabmans in question don't see the benefit unless they get danced or an enemy mage is stupid/confident enough to attack on the next turn. You'll often see rogues in the training tower, kitted out with top level gear and murdering your squishier troops with lightning precision. "Man," you'll think, "I've got to get me some of that". Well you can't have it t  . Rogues have several disadvantages; firstly, they tend towards low attack (the outlier, Kagero, is only available at 4-5*) and this is compounded by their weapons, which second only to clerics' staves in weakness. Second, as mentioned, they rarely see the benefit of their debuffing, meaning they'll very rarely be the ones to finish the enemy off. These two facts combined makes levelling rogues a massive goddamn pain in the neck. On a meta level, they compete for support slots with both clerics (who are more useful in the training tower), dancers (who are more useful in general), and tanks/high def characters (who protect your troops while maintaining lethality of their own). Their lack of position on the weapon triangle means they are difficult to hard counter, but on the flip side they don't counter anything either. Since a big part of a supporting character's role is to cover for weaknesses in your offensive lineup, this is bad. Oh, and if you're playing on Android, FCorrin is right loving there and does the debuff job far better.With all that said, let's meet the rogues. There are seven in total, all but two of whom are available at 3*. Matthew shows up as a 2* in your tower at the start of the game, and Felicia is available from the daily freebies. Felicia is the mage hunter of the group, and like Niles, does this job well. She has the second highest res stat in the game, is in the top tier of spd-havers, but has worryingly low hp, terrible def and one of the lowest atk stats in the game. Put this all together and you get a character who holds off mages admirably, although she'll either need support or a special trigger to finish them off. Against non-mages, she takes the classic rogue strategy of hiding behind melee characters and weakening the opposition. Her skillset is well built for both these roles: she has Glacies, which does unspeakable damage when coupled with her high res, and on the passive side has Breath of Life, which restores hp to adjacent allies whenever she attacks. Keep her away from archers and she'll do fine. Glacies and Breath of Life are her main inheritance fodder, duh. Gaius steals candy from children. He is creepy and weird. His standout stats are hp (highest in class) and spd (just behind Felicia), with his atk being solidly in the middle of the class. On the other hand his def, res and breath are terrible. Put this all together and you have a character who can take a hit but not tank, which isn't a bad setup for a rogue. He wields the Rogue Dagger, which steals  Jakob is the generalist of the group, by which I mean he sucks at everything. He has good-but-not-great hp, high-for-a-rogue-but-still-bad atk, the worst speed in the class, and poor def and res. He does nothing that others in the class can't do better, and his poor speed means he won't double much, which is pretty much the only way rogues have of dealing decent damage. He sucks, and that's all there is to it. His skillset isn't great either. He has the silver dagger, which other rogues want sometimes, and Rally Resistance, the weakest of the rallies outside of certain situations. He gets renewal, but not fully levelled at 4*. +def is good, but not worth upgrading for.Matthew is a cross between Gaius and Saizo, with lower attack than them both. His statline is pretty much the same as Saizo, trading attack and a bit of def to bring his hp up to good and his res up to... still irredeemably terrible. He carries the Rogue Dagger to bring his defenses up, Reciprocal aid to keep him or his friends in the fight, and Hone Speed to help his friends double things. He also has Poison Strike, which deals damage after combat based on its' level, although like the Pain staff it can't finish an enemy off, and unlike Pain only triggers if he initiates. Reciprocal Aid and Hone Spd are what non-rogues want. Poison Strike has its uses, and weirdly enough can be inherited by any non-cleric, including mages, although Matthew doesn't get it maxed out at 4* while Saizo does. Saizo is the budget rogue designed to take on non-mages, with roughly the same effect as being savaged by a kitten. He has the standard rogue attack stat of "slightly too low", middling (meaning pretty drat good) speed, the best def stat in the class coupled with mediocre hp  , and utterly godawful res. He carries the smoke dagger, which lowers def and res on every enemy near his target (though not on the target itself). His assist is Harsh Command, which turns frowns upside down by turning penalties on the target into bonuses, a very situational skill. He's the other wielder of Poison Strike and gets it maxed out at 4*, although oddly enough he'd be better off with a Seal skill if you wanted to turn him into a much worse Corrin. Poison Strike is his inheritable skill, and Smoke Dagger is good for other rogues who are aiming for a certain build.So those are the sneakies, and that concludes infantry. I can see light at the end of the tunnel, although it's being mostly blocked out by Draug. Next up Armoured Units! 
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Jun 5, 2017 14:29
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UchihaHirou posted:O man that new Sacred Seal: Quickened Pulse (lowers special cooldown by 1 on turn 1). 
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Jun 5, 2017 14:42
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So much for everyone rocking moonbow.
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Jun 5, 2017 14:49
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Trebek posted:So much for everyone rocking moonbow. moonbow always sucked, maybe this will make reddit realize the truth.
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Jun 5, 2017 14:56
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Moonbow never sucked. It's just overused.
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Jun 5, 2017 15:00
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I'm curious what there is to say about Draug. The game keeps giving him to me so I've decided to just level a bunch up, collect some garbage skills to thin out my units, and then merge them all into a big dumb armor unit for monthly quests. It's still going to be a 3*+10, though, because like hell I'm going to spend 2000 feathers per Draug for a silly project.
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Jun 5, 2017 15:04
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Draug gets ward armor at 4 star which helps with the armored quests.
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