UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Borrovan posted:

Call me if you will but I seem to recall leaked US intelligence not too long ago that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding Daesh - making GBS threads on the one that May & Trump haven't (to my knowledge) recently been involved with high-profile arms deals with seems like a solid diversion.

It's not even secret. Saudi Arabia loving love Daesh's actions in destabilising Iran's allies.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:37

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# ? May 15, 2024 00:21

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Borrovan posted:

Call me if you will but I seem to recall leaked US intelligence not too long ago that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding Daesh - making GBS threads on the one that May & Trump haven't (to my knowledge) recently been involved with high-profile arms deals with seems like a solid diversion.

The UK does plenty of arms dealing with Qatar, see https://www.caat.org.uk/resources/countries/qatar

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:38

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Tesseraction posted:

They are either going to have an egg-coated turd on their face come Friday or be the smuggest motherfuckers in the room.

Election night is going to be a wild ride.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:39

Kokoro Wish: Jul 23, 2007; Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

Tesseraction posted:

It's not even secret. Saudi Arabia loving love Daesh's actions in destabilising Iran's allies.

They both follow the same Wahabist sect of Islam. Saudi Arabia is what Daesh are fighting to become.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:40

orange sky: May 7, 2007

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-05/why-tiny-qatar-angers-saudi-arabia-and-its-allies-quicktake

quote:

Saudi Arabia and three of its Arab allies cut diplomatic ties with Qatar on Monday, furious with what they see as the tiny emirate�s tolerant attitude toward Iran and Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood. The moves by the Saudis, Bahrain, the U.A.E. and Egypt came barely a week after U.S. President Donald Trump visited the region and joined Saudi Arabia in lambasting Iran for sponsoring terrorism from Syria to Yemen.

1. What�s caused the diplomatic rift?

It�s mostly, but not all, about Iran. The spark for this flare-up was a report by the state-run Qatar News Agency that carried comments by Qatar ruler Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani criticizing mounting anti-Iran sentiment. Qatari officials quickly deleted the comments, blamed them on hackers and appealed for calm. Criticism by Saudi and U.A.E. media outlets escalated after Sheikh Tamim phoned Iranian President Hassan Rouhani over the weekend in apparent defiance of Saudi criticism.

2. So this is a Sunni vs Shiite tension?

Partly. The Shiite-led Islamic Republic of Iran is Sunni-led Saudi Arabia�s main regional rival. The two major oil exporters are on opposite sides of conflicts from Syria to Iraq. In taking diplomatic action, the Saudis cited Qatar�s support of �terrorist groups aiming to destabilize the region,� including the Muslim Brotherhood, Islamic State and al-Qaeda. They accused Qatar of supporting �Iranian-backed terrorist groups� operating in the kingdom�s eastern province as well as Bahrain.

A QuickTake explainer on the Sunni-Shiite rift

3. Why is the spat taking place now?

The temperature noticeably rose following Trump�s visit. Days after Trump and Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz singled out Iran as the world�s main sponsor of terrorism, Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E. accused Qatar of trying to undermine efforts to isolate the Islamic Republic. Newspapers, clerics and even celebrities attacked Qatar�s Sheikh Tamim; the Riyadh-based Al-Jazirah daily accused him of stabbing his neighbors with Iran�s dagger.

4. What do analysts say?

Emboldened by closer U.S. ties under Trump, the Saudis and the U.A.E. are seeking to crush any opposition that could weaken a united front against Iranian influence in the Middle East. The two countries are also putting pressure on Qatar to end its support for Islamist movements such as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Palestinian Hamas group that rules the Gaza Strip.

5. What does Iran say?

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, a moderate cleric who was re-elected to a second, four-year term last month, says his country is ready for talks to resolve the crisis. At the same time, though, Iran�s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who wields more power than Rouhani, has said the Saudi regime faces certain demise for its policies in Yemen. In 2015, Saudi Arabia assembled a coalition of Sunni-led countries to fight Yemeni Shiite rebels loyal to Iran after they toppled a Gulf-backed government. The war there continues.

6. Where else are Saudi and Iran facing off?

They are locked in proxy wars on opposite sides of conflicts across the region from Syria to Yemen. Suspicions that cyberattacks on government agencies in Saudi Arabia emanated from Iran threatened to elevate tensions between the two powers in late 2016. Earlier that year, after Saudi Arabia executed a prominent Shiite cleric, Iranian protesters set the Saudi embassy in Tehran on fire, and Saudi Arabia severed diplomatic relations with Iran.

7. Are disagreements with Qatar anything new?

In 2014, Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E. and Bahrain temporarily withdrew their ambassadors from Qatar. That dispute centered on Egypt, where Qatar had supported a Muslim Brotherhood government while the Saudis and U.A.E. bankrolled its army-led overthrow. Qatar also hosts Hamas�s exiled leadership as well as Taliban officials. Analysts say Saudi and its allies want to show Qatar, a country of 2.6 million residents, that it is punching above its strategic weight.

8. Isn�t that what Qatar tries to do?

Less so now than in the past. During the Arab Spring uprisings Qatar, uniquely among Middle Eastern governments, broadly supported groups agitating for change � as long as it was outside the Persian Gulf. Muslim Brotherhood groups have mostly foundered since, and Qatar reeled back its support for them in 2014 when faced with diplomatic threats from its Gulf neighbors. Qatar also aspires to be the region�s indispensable mediator. Its leaders have connections with a wide range of parties, such as warring tribes in Libya as well as both the U.S. and the Taliban. On the other hand, by choosing sides during the Arab Spring revolts, it weakened its standing as a neutral party.

9. What else is Qatar known for?

A QuickTake explainer on Qatar�s ambitions

It�s the world�s biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas, has the world�s highest per-capita income ($129,700 a year), will hold the 2022 FIFA World Cup and hosts the Al Jazeera television channel. When Saudi Arabia ejected the U.S. air operations center for the region in 2003, Qatar took it on. Today the emirate hosts 10,000 U.S. troops. (Trump last month held talks with Sheikh Tamim to discuss Qatar�s purchase of American military equipment, and said the two countries have �been friends now for a long time.�)

10. What are the repercussions for markets?

Any dispute in the region will make oil markets nervous. Internal disputes among the Gulf countries could limit their appeal to foreign investors. Even before Trump�s visit, Citigroup said rising tensions between the U.S. and Iran could also have �significant�� implications for oil and financial markets. Qatar stocks plunged more than 5 percent at the open on Monday.

11. Why might this dispute be different?

�Internal differences and disagreements are nothing new, but what is interesting is the timing and the somewhat unprecedented level of pressure,� says Mehran Kamrava, director of the center for international and regional studies at Georgetown University in Qatar, referring to the recent Trump visit. That suggests that �Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E. want nothing but complete submission from Qatar.��

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:41

Paul.Power: Feb 7, 2009; The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

Pissflaps posted:

I think the youth vote dipped under the last labour government because young people were content and therefore unmotivated to pay an interest in politics.

Youth turnout also dipped sharply from 1992 to 1997, would you suggest the young were content with Major, too?

Turns out the UK has a really serious youth turnout problem, seemingly much worse than most developed countries.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:42

BizarroAzrael: Apr 6, 2006; "That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

forkboy84 posted:

https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/871645282878070784

Oh UKIP. Why do you even bother? (Paul Nuttall said something about there being only one law, BRITISH LAW (presumably in the context of evil Sharia) and obviously that's total pish.)

How has there not been a regional detective series called "Scott's Law" yet?

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:43

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Pissflaps posted:

Election night is going to be a wild ride.

I think for my own sake I'm going to get shitfaced early, see the exit poll and then go to sleep.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:48

Borrovan: Aug 15, 2013; IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY

jBrereton posted:

The UK does plenty of arms dealing with Qatar, see https://www.caat.org.uk/resources/countries/qatar

Lol. Guess I'll have to trade in my tinfoil hat then to make weapons with which to indirectly support loving Daesh which apparently nobody will give a poo poo about since only bearded lefties can be terrorist sympathisers

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:49

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

My postal vote came through today so I done a democracy.
But no loving way Lab are getting in in Portsmouth south so i might have well have scrunched the ballot paper into a ball and shoved it straight up my arse for all the good it'll do.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:51

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

May's once again loving up at a press conference:

Graun posted:

Q: Do you accept that you were wrong to accuse those who criticised the police cuts of �crying woolf�. Do you accept that that was wrong, and would you reverse police cuts?

May says she has already addressed this. She repeats the points made earlier. See 11.18am.

Q: [From the BBC�s Laura Kuenssberg] On your watch the number of police officers and armed police officers fell, and control orders were abandoned. Will you reverse those decisions?

May says control orders were being knocked down in the courts.

The government has given more powers to the police, she says.

She says an extra 1,500 armed officers are being hired.

But it is not just about resources; it is about powers.

She repeats the point about supporting shoot-to-kill.

Q: You had a public row with Michael Gove in 2014, when he criticised you for not being willing to �drain the swamp� in relation to violent extremism. He said you just wanted to beat back the crocodiles.

May says she has always wanted to tackled extremism, not just violent extremism.

But the government has to respond to the changing threat, she says. That is why she wants further measures on this.

Q: Will you bring back control orders?

May says Tpims, which replaces control orders, have been enhanced.

And the government has given the police new powers, for example in relation to stopping terror suspects travelling abroad.

Q; Do you regret cutting community policy budgets?

May repeats the point about Labour backing police cuts in 2015. See 11.18am.

The 11:18 thing was a pre-recorded statement saying she's great and didn't do anything wrong + Corbyn's gay.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:55

Pretty good: Apr 16, 2007

Finally some coverage of Rudd shutting down that speech.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-amber-rudd-accused-shutting-10561376

The Mirror, yeah, but hopefully others will follow.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:55

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Tesseraction posted:

I think for my own sake I'm going to get shitfaced early, see the exit poll and then go to sleep.

My friends are hosting an election night party, but I don't think I can face it. Instead I'll do my usual routine - wake up, roll over despondently to see how badly things have been hosed up overnight, and then use all that lovely rage and despair to lift heavy things.

2015 got me a new bench PR, so I've high hopes for 2017

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:56

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Oberleutnant posted:

scrunched the ballot paper into a ball and shoved it straight up my arse

Potential new thread title for Friday.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:56

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

lol someone quoted that Steve Hilton bit at her and she just ignored it

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:57

JOHNSON COCKSLAP: Apr 2, 2017; by Lowtax

Shoot to kill is loving criminal and you should be arrested if you express support for it.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:58

mehall: Aug 27, 2010

Tesseraction posted:

I think for my own sake I'm going to get shitfaced early, see the exit poll and then go to sleep.

I have work the next morning and got my leave request refused, so I'm doing the same, but without the getting shitfaced.
I'll see the exit poll then head to bed quite early, so I can maybe get up early and catch some coverage before I go to work.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 11:58

JOHNSON COCKSLAP: Apr 2, 2017; by Lowtax

The best thing about votes on thursdays is friday

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:00

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

mehall posted:

I have work the next morning and got my leave request refused, so I'm doing the same, but without the getting shitfaced.
I'll see the exit poll then head to bed quite early, so I can maybe get up early and catch some coverage before I go to work.

I think being hungover the day after an election is a perfectly acceptable thing for an employee. Unless you work in a hazardous environment I guess.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:01

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:

Shoot to kill is loving criminal and you should be arrested if you express support for it.

What does shoot to kill even imply considering that the last three were shot tod death by the police. Do they currently not aim for the torso or something?

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:01

mehall: Aug 27, 2010

Tesseraction posted:

I think being hungover the day after an election is a perfectly acceptable thing for an employee. Unless you work in a hazardous environment I guess.

If I were in a standard office environment, I would.
However, I'm on a service desk and will get a number of calls from customer service desks, and be expected to call out to end users, and if I have a bad call it'll affect my bonus for this quarter.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:02

Filboid Studge: Oct 1, 2010; And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

Was reading this morning that the YouGov poll last week that suggested a hung parliament used MRP, which is a relatively new and theoretically very good methodology. It has issues with differential non-response but its daddy, Andrew Gelman, predicted a narrow Trump win with it. He cautions not to read too much into that, mind.

MiddleOne posted:

What does shoot to kill even imply considering that the last three were shot tod death by the police. Do they currently not aim for the torso or something?

Shoot to kill in the Northern Ireland context (which Corbyn was using) was the practice of pre-emptively shooting terrorist suspects, often before they could be seen to have committed an offence.

Filboid Studge fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Jun 5, 2017

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:03

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:

Shoot to kill is loving criminal and you should be arrested if you express support for it.

it's also extremely retarded if you want to extract information about future plots from live terrorists

terrorists are suicide happy as it is, no need to encourage it

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:03

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

https://twitter.com/rachyoungeritv/status/871682620110905344

:eyepop:

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:06

clear eyes full farts: Jul 3, 2007; the uk is just awful
It's a fake democracy
with free education and healthcare as long as you are a dosser and I am trapped here

MiddleOne posted:

What does shoot to kill even imply considering that the last three were shot tod death by the police. Do they currently not aim for the torso or something?

it implies a policy of making no attempt to arrest, its nothing to do with where they aim once the decision to shoot is made

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:07

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Filboid Studge posted:

Was reading this morning that the YouGov poll last week that suggested a hung parliament used MRP, which is a relatively new and theoretically very good methodology. It has issues with differential non-response but its daddy, Andrew Gelman, predicted a narrow Trump win with it. He cautions not to read too much into that, mind.

Sounds interesting. Do you have a link?

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:08

Owlkill: Jul 1, 2009

MiddleOne posted:

What does shoot to kill even imply considering that the last three were shot tod death by the police. Do they currently not aim for the torso or something?

Isn't there some confusion where it actually refers to pre-emptively killing terrorists (a la the IRA getting taken down in Gibraltar), rather than the use of lethal force generally?

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:08

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

MiddleOne posted:

What does shoot to kill even imply considering that the last three were shot tod death by the police. Do they currently not aim for the torso or something?

If a policeman saw known jihadists who weren't in the process of committing a crime they could execute them on the spot. Obviously shoot to kill is not current policy.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:09

CyberPingu: Sep 15, 2013; If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Doesnt it really all hinge around the severity of the situation. If a guy is running around with a knife then you should try to subdue him, at worst a pop shot in the leg to take him down. But if someone is in a bomb jacket then I dont know if they have much choice.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:11

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Tesseraction posted:

https://twitter.com/rachyoungeritv/status/871682620110905344

I do hope that this narrative can stick for the next few days.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:11

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

I enjoy how after they endorsed corbyn the guardian hasnt run a single story on him, it's just wall to wall May speeches.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:11

Filboid Studge: Oct 1, 2010; And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

Pissflaps posted:

Sounds interesting. Do you have a link?

Sure. Little bit professional-inside-baseball as a blog but has some really good info for statisticians and social scientists.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:12

His Divine Shadow: Aug 7, 2000; I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:

Shoot to kill is loving criminal and you should be arrested if you express support for it.

Hell, they should be shot on sight.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:12

Entropy238: Oct 21, 2010; Fallen Rib

Tesseraction posted:

https://twitter.com/rachyoungeritv/status/871682620110905344

Ballsy move.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:13

Cat Machine: Jun 18, 2008

nopantsjack posted:

I enjoy how after they endorsed corbyn the guardian hasnt run a single story on him, it's just wall to wall May speeches.

giving may as much exposure as possible is a pretty good way to support jeremy corbyn imho

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:13

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Filboid Studge posted:

Was reading this morning that the YouGov poll last week that suggested a hung parliament used MRP, which is a relatively new and theoretically very good methodology. It has issues with differential non-response but its daddy, Andrew Gelman, predicted a narrow Trump win with it. He cautions not to read too much into that, mind.

It should be noted that Lord Ashcroft is also using MRP in his 80-seat-majority prediction.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:13

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

CyberPingu posted:

Doesnt it really all hinge around the severity of the situation. If a guy is running around with a knife then you should try to subdue him, at worst a pop shot in the leg to take him down. But if someone is in a bomb jacket then I dont know if they have much choice.

The point is, that's not 'shoot to kill'. It's about extra-judicial killing, launching missions to murder criminals rather than arrest them.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:13

Owlkill: Jul 1, 2009

Oberleutnant posted:

I do hope that this narrative can stick for the next few days.

It does seem rather idiotic that they're still plastering "strong and stable" everywhere when the narrative seems to be shifting to May having significantly weakened the police and intelligence services during her time as HS.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:14

Filboid Studge: Oct 1, 2010; And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

nopantsjack posted:

I enjoy how after they endorsed corbyn the guardian hasnt run a single story on him, it's just wall to wall May speeches.

In fairness everything she says and the weird faces she pulls as she's doing so is probably doing her more harm than Jezza

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Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

It seems that Jeremy Corbyn has decided to shoot to kill

Theresa May's career.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 12:15

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