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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Has anyone got the link to the original article where the shoot to kill quote came from so I can show someone the actual context of it?
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Jun 5, 2017 16:11
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Raeg posted:It's really just an issue with cashflow. They should be more disciplined and budget better
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Jun 5, 2017 16:12
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Tesseraction posted:I'm actually really pissed that he's doubling down on making GBS threads on Khan so soon after a tragedy. he's really a massive, massive oval office
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Jun 5, 2017 16:12
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OwlFancier posted:Ten hours at work is no fun when you only get paid for three of them That sounds like a cashflow problem
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Jun 5, 2017 16:13
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Why haven't we heard much from Dianne Abbott about all this? It's going to be under her remit if labour win the election after all.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:15
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Celexi posted:That sounds like a cashflow problem I suppose in that if I had endless cash flowing into my account I wouldn't have to go to work.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:16
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Pissflaps posted:Why haven't we heard much from Dianne Abbott about all this? It's going to be under her remit if labour win the election after all. I've stopped getting anti-Corbyn attack ads on Youtube: the only ones I'm getting now are all about Abbott: "Imagine her as Home Secretary! She can't do maths, loves Al-Qaeda and hates white people, etc!" Wonder if this is because the anti-Corbyn attacks weren't having the impact they wanted
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Jun 5, 2017 16:17
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Corbyn is shooting to kill Tories' seats in Parliament.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:17
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I wonder what all youse are looking at that gets you tory ads, I just get the same one telling me to vote as a youth.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:18
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Tigey posted:I've stopped getting anti-Corbyn attack ads on Youtube: the only ones I'm getting now are all about Abbott: I kept getting a "Ruth Davidson: Queen of Scots" ad on Facebook that I assumed was an attack ad until I noticed it was from the Conservatives. That's... a bold stance.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:19
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I don't get any political adverts on Facebook. I keep getting sold the same clever shelving system.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:19
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Trump tweets about the London attacks have made it into a New Yorker article. Any chance May gets grilled on her reaction to Trump's reaction?
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Jun 5, 2017 16:19
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OK, it's been a while since I last read this, but is there some kind of on-line resource I can look at to find whom is best to vote for in order to defeat the Tories? I currently reside in Vale of Clwyd. Sorry if this is out of the blue, but I can't seem to find it on my own.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:20
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TheRat posted:
dredging this up again. also therat's fair criticism. that i disagree with, but still fair. i want to make this point: it is not dishonest to endorse policies mainly in their best, most sympathetic circumstances rather than the weird counterintuitions that pass the most muster at conference blackboard. people are innumerate; people support contradictory things all at once. Democracy merely limits governments from straying into space of overwhelmingly rejected combinations of policies, but anything within that space is determined by things far less highbrow than Justice and Fairness. like, say, your ability to eat a bacon sarnie with grace. this is the level of dignity here. let's not give that ballot box too much credit. if we oppose shoot-to-kill, it is (I hope) not because the people being shot and killed were mainly northern irish terrorists who we actually secretly wish would win by terror, but because we believe that people have a right to be arrested and tried for their crimes, not summarily executed in a quiet carpark. And to sell this high principle, which is popular, and let people draw their own conclusions (if they bother) which they actually resent, is about as decent and honest as sensible campaigning gets. ronya fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Jun 5, 2017 16:21
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Samovar posted:OK, it's been a while since I last read this, but is there some kind of on-line resource I can look at to find whom is best to vote for in order to defeat the Tories? I currently reside in Vale of Clwyd. Sorry if this is out of the blue, but I can't seem to find it on my own. Wikipedia will generally list your constituency's voting history.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:21
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People still don't block ads?
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Jun 5, 2017 16:22
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Samovar posted:OK, it's been a while since I last read this, but is there some kind of on-line resource I can look at to find whom is best to vote for in order to defeat the Tories? I currently reside in Vale of Clwyd. Sorry if this is out of the blue, but I can't seem to find it on my own. Your best bet is to vote labour.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:22
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I saw this oval office canverssing at the train station recently being torn into by an old lady for being a staunch brexiter heading a pro remain constituency. Its a tory safe seat though so he doesent give a toss.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:23
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big scary monsters posted:I've been in a hut in the mountains the last few days happily away from the internet and news. I see this thread has had a million posts since then, did I miss anything much? Lots of Nazis invading from GBS, mostly.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:23
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Tigey posted:I've stopped getting anti-Corbyn attack ads on Youtube: the only ones I'm getting now are all about Abbott: Corbyn's approval rating, and like's/dislikes are now genuinely good and better than May's, to the point where additional attack ads against him aren't likely to actually have any effect. Abbot's by comparison are really bad. She's now probably the biggest point of weakness for the campaign. OwlFancier posted:I wonder what all youse are looking at that gets you tory ads, I just get the same one telling me to vote as a youth. It's mostly regional/age group targeted on youtube. The ad's aren't related to the content you're watching or your viewing history.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:23
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Halisnacks posted:Trump tweets about the London attacks have made it into a New Yorker article. She's blown off questions until now but after that bloated orange piece of poo poo made his last attack she had better loving decry him or bow the gently caress out of leadership.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:25
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Samovar posted:OK, it's been a while since I last read this, but is there some kind of on-line resource I can look at to find whom is best to vote for in order to defeat the Tories? I currently reside in Vale of Clwyd. Sorry if this is out of the blue, but I can't seem to find it on my own. Graun always put out a tactical map: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2017/jun/02/tactical-voting-guide-how-to-make-your-vote-count-in-the-2017-election
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Jun 5, 2017 16:26
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How has she specifically blown off the questions? Has she been asked point blank?
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Jun 5, 2017 16:26
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Tesseraction posted:She's blown off questions until now but after that bloated orange piece of poo poo made his last attack she had better loving decry him or bow the gently caress out of leadership. I can't wait until tomorrow, when she doesn't, and the labour campaign put the loving boot in
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Jun 5, 2017 16:27
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TBH Diane Abbott hating white people is a plus because I also disproportionately hate white people. Shows good sense, imo.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:28
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OwlFancier posted:Wikipedia will generally list your constituency's voting history. Ta. Going from patterns it looks like Labour's the best bet. Edit: And that Guardian hingmy confirmed it.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:28
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Raeg posted:I kept getting a "Ruth Davidson: Queen of Scots" ad on Facebook that I assumed was an attack ad until I noticed it was from the Conservatives. That's... a bold stance. I'm also getting Ruth Davidson ads on facebook, I've no idea why they think that'd appeal to me. On the other hand, facebook's algorithm also regularly advertises nutella at me when I'm allergic to hazelnuts so maybe facebook just hates me.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:28
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Halisnacks posted:How has she specifically blown off the questions? Has she been asked point blank? She was asked to respond to Trump's comments (prior to the latest one) on Khan and she said "I think Sadiq Khan is doing a good job, I don't think anyone can disagree with that." and then repeated the line when asked. Then someone asked "What does Donald Trump have to do to make you criticise him? How far does he have to go?" and she just said she has told him that she disagreed with him pulling out of the climate accord, which led to frustrated calls from journalists and her laughing and picking a new question.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:29
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Samovar posted:Ta. Going from patterns it looks like Labour's the best bet. It's generally going to be in Wales honestly, Wales is full of sane people.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:29
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Samovar posted:OK, it's been a while since I last read this, but is there some kind of on-line resource I can look at to find whom is best to vote for in order to defeat the Tories? I currently reside in Vale of Clwyd. Sorry if this is out of the blue, but I can't seem to find it on my own. Guardian's tactical voting guide says you should vote Labour to get the tories out. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2017/jun/02/tactical-voting-guide-how-to-make-your-vote-count-in-the-2017-election
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Jun 5, 2017 16:29
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ronya posted:dredging this up again. also therat's fair criticism. that i disagree with, but still fair. i suspect that corbyn's Thing here is mainly that he's been in a position to play to a very limited audience for most of his career, and that a move like saying 'i oppose shoot-to-kill' would, for almost all his life, only reach people who understand what it meant to some extent as leader of the opposition, though, his words get picked up by the tabloids, and for the longest time he found it difficult to adjust what's good politics as a member of the awkward squad and what's good politics as leader are different things, and I do suspect Corbyn not to be calculated enough to appreciate that by himself
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Jun 5, 2017 16:29
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so it is just a cash flow problem! Specifically that cash isn't flowing, leaving them broke. Sounds like poverty to me but I'm not the expert.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:30
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Halisnacks posted:How has she specifically blown off the questions? Has she been asked point blank? Strong and Stable
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Jun 5, 2017 16:30
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Samovar posted:OK, it's been a while since I last read this, but is there some kind of on-line resource I can look at to find whom is best to vote for in order to defeat the Tories? I currently reside in Vale of Clwyd. Sorry if this is out of the blue, but I can't seem to find it on my own. According to wikipedia the Tories won the seat by about 200 votes in 2015 with Labour coming second, so you should definitely vote Labour.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:30
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Heading up to Gateshead to watch Corbyn's speech on this damp afternoon. It's been a long time since I've gotten this enthusiastic about politics. Doubt things will matter around here, being a sea of Labour safeseats with UKIP completely decimated, but after spending my adult life in despair about the state of things it feels like a massive shake-up.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:30
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Pissflaps posted:Only two more full days of campaigning left. Out of interest do you blame Corbyn for this whole shoot to kill bullshit? Like was it his "poor leadership" that allowed him to be tricked into giving the BBC some stuff they could edit to make sound bad? Is it ok for that the news does this? Is it ok that now the party in power is using the dirty tricks of the BBC to further their cause? Do you think a better leader could have avoided this? If so, how?
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Jun 5, 2017 16:31
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OwlFancier posted:TBH Diane Abbott hating white people is a plus because I also disproportionately hate white people. Shows good sense, imo. the problem is this is a really solid example of what Ronya's talking about here. It is not news to anyone who has studied history that the british, and white people, are fundamentally scum. It's pretty true of all humans, but the british (and whitey) have done really well out of it. But a large, irate, number of voters think that saying mean things is the beginning and end of racism, and genuinely believe that now there are no problems except people blaming white people for things that aren't there. Dragging the debate upwards (or reforming education) is going to provide better odds at achieving your goal than telling white people something they don't want to hear if you still let them vote afterwards. And Abbott is much, much weaker than Corbyn when put on the spot.
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Jun 5, 2017 16:31
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Regarde Aduck posted:Out of interest do you blame Corbyn for this whole shoot to kill bullshit? Like was it his "poor leadership" that allowed him to be tricked into giving the BBC some stuff they could edit to make sound bad? Is it ok for that the news does this? Is it ok that now the party in power is using the dirty tricks of the BBC to further their cause? Do you think a better leader could have avoided this? If so, how? don't please
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Jun 5, 2017 16:32
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Halisnacks posted:Trump tweets about the London attacks have made it into a New Yorker article. my friend, theresa may doesn't even get grilled for having trump's politics
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OwlFancier posted:It's generally going to be in Wales honestly, Wales is full of sane people. Eh, the bit I live in (North Wales) is hard Tory. Hard Labour to the right and left but solidly Tory here. It's annoying. I don't even know why other than lots and lots of old retirees.
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