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mcmagic posted:LOL @ that 10 point swing from Gallup to Ras. And that it adds up to 102% note: I am not a statistician and know only enough to do my own job when it's needed
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Trump just isn't able to handle Khans. I hope he spends a few minutes in the ring with Amir Kahn
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mcmagic posted:LOL @ that 10 point swing from Gallup to Ras. Rasmussen is a bad joke. America is the punchline.
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ReidRansom posted:Really though what's wrong with Qatar? Aside from the slavery thing. 
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theflyingorc posted:It should be pointed out that Trump's basically at historic lows right now, if you look at the aggregate: Yeah, but his ratings haven't actually fallen very far  http://www.npr.org/2017/06/03/531088285/trump-s-approval-rate-decline-is-nothing-compared-to-other-presidents
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Saudi Arabia obviously isn't mad at Qatar about that though, don't be obtuse.
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Pikavangelist posted:Boris Johnson and Trumpy are literally the exact same human being, and you can't convince me otherwise. Boris was born in the US. Prepare yourself for a third President Johnson.
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orange sky posted:Oh no, this keg involves much more than international business dealings. I think a more sober assessment of the American republic would show a consistent long term drift into right wing government and corporate domination. Any concessions made to the people just don't stack up against an almost linear increase in capitalist class domination and the significant advantages our conservative factions/right wing enjoy. We're at the point where this becomes more obvious due to the fullness of time, but that is also the point of no return imo.
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ReidRansom posted:Really though what's wrong with Qatar? Aside from the slavery thing. I've been to Doha, it was alright. And Qatar Airways is tits. They run AJ and it's always been pretty solid. What's the beef all of a sudden?
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ReidRansom posted:Really though what's wrong with Qatar? Aside from the slavery thing. I've been to Doha, it was alright. And Qatar Airways is tits. They run AJ and it's always been pretty solid. What's the beef all of a sudden? Aside from that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln? e: gently caress
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Sinteres posted:Saudi Arabia obviously isn't mad at Qatar about that though, don't be obtuse. That doesn't make the sentence any less cringeworthy
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:I think a more sober assessment of the American republic would show a consistent long term drift into right wing government and corporate domination. Any concessions made to the people just don't stack up against an almost linear increase in capitalist class domination and the significant advantages our conservative factions/right wing enjoy. trump is not very pro-corporate, and is hastening the exodus of educated whites into the democratic party (which was counteracted by the exodus of poor whites from the democratic party in 2016) he has an alliance with the remaining corporate groups in the republican tent but those are getting more and more nervous and have been increasingly breaking away from republicans
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Yes obviously that's bad. But I mean in regard to the poo poo going on with them, because their neighbors certainly don't care about slave labor either.
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Chilichimp posted:That doesn't make the sentence any less cringeworthy Thank Christ you got an opportunity to let everyone know slavery is actually bad.
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Sinteres posted:Thank Christ you got an opportunity to let everyone know slavery is actually bad. Man it wasn't even your post, lighten up, Francis.
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Ague Proof posted:Boris was born in the US. Is that before or after President Sasse?
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mcmagic posted:Is that before or after President Sasse? I would smoke a bowl with President Sasse
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I believe Rasmussen is the only outfit that applies likely voter screens to their approval ratings, so I wouldn't dismiss them out of hand.
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evilweasel posted:trump is not very pro-corporate, and is hastening the exodus of educated whites into the democratic party (which was counteracted by the exodus of poor whites from the democratic party in 2016) I'm saying Trump is a symptom of long running trends in the republic that if not somehow corrected will produce the same lovely outcomes for most people and more serious versions of Trump.
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Elotana posted:I believe Rasmussen is the only outfit that applies likely voter screens to their approval ratings, so I wouldn't dismiss them out of hand. you can, their LV screening is real bad, their predictions are real bad
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ReidRansom posted:Really though what's wrong with Qatar? Aside from the slavery thing. I've been to Doha, it was alright. And Qatar Airways is tits. They run AJ and it's always been pretty solid. What's the beef all of a sudden? The best explanation I've seen is that Trump's trip convinced the Saudis he was solidly behind them enough to make this power play in the region. This is about Qatar not falling in line behind the saudis, not anything else. Neither party here is good: the Saudis fund the Wahabbis who officially don't support terrorism but espouse the precise ideology that forments it while displacing moderate muslim ideologies. Qatar funds the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups like that that are terrorist-linked but are (worse, in Saudi eyes) also somewhat in favor of less autocratic states.
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ReidRansom posted:Yes obviously that's bad. But I mean in regard to the poo poo going on with them, because their neighbors certainly don't care about slave labor either. Qatar has been making an effort to keep ties to both sides of the ME cold war between KSA and Iran. They have supported groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, which are friendly with Iran and were also the only Gulf state supporting democratic movements during the Arab Spring (outside Gulf States obviously. No need for democracy at home). Basically of the GCC states they are the 'weak link' in Saudi facing off against Iran. They also helped broker the talks between Obama administration and Iran that reopened the Nuclear talks so I think the Saudis generally want to be the only player in the region. Upstarts need to be put in their place. I can't believe other than this will be traced back to Trump getting all pally with Salman and assuring him that the US wouldn't have a problem with KSA taking action to get Qatar in line. He probably assumed that meant threaten them with a lawsuit and probably didn't realise CENTCOM is in Qatar. I somehow doubt you're going to see an administration reaction to this either because it's a pretty obvious foreign policy gently caress up weeks after his first big foreign trip.
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E:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ exactly thisReidRansom posted:Yes obviously that's bad. But I mean in regard to the poo poo going on with them, because their neighbors certainly don't care about slave labor either. Yeah I wasn't being obtuse but your post wasn't clear at all. As for the actual reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Qatar_relations
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:I'm saying Trump is a symptom of long running trends in the republic that if not somehow corrected will produce the same lovely outcomes for most people and more serious versions of Trump. and i'm saying your causes don't match the outcomes, trump isn't really an outgrowth of corporatism and is somewhat of a backlash against it
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The dichotomy of this thread, people rush to unfunnily point out that a poster said "other than slavery" while other posters answer his question in a clear and concise way.
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evilweasel posted:and i'm saying your causes don't match the outcomes, trump isn't really an outgrowth of corporatism and is somewhat of a backlash against it Have you seen his cabinet? He's a perfect outgrowth of modern conservatism. Corporate funded fake populism. He's nothing new.
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mcmagic posted:Have you seen his cabinet? He's a perfect outgrowth of modern conservatism. Corporate funded fake populism. He's nothing new. Exactly, we need to stop pretending that Trump isn't the corporeal form of the GOP.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:This thread moves pretty fast, but take some time to listen to this song because it's really good. Hey, thanks!
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evilweasel posted:The best explanation I've seen is that Trump's trip convinced the Saudis he was solidly behind them enough to make this power play in the region. This is about Qatar not falling in line behind the saudis, not anything else. Neither party here is good: the Saudis fund the Wahabbis who officially don't support terrorism but espouse the precise ideology that forments it while displacing moderate muslim ideologies. Qatar funds the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups like that that are terrorist-linked but are (worse, in Saudi eyes) also somewhat in favor of less autocratic states. MrNemo posted:Qatar has been making an effort to keep ties to both sides of the ME cold war between KSA and Iran. They have supported groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, which are friendly with Iran and were also the only Gulf state supporting democratic movements during the Arab Spring (outside Gulf States obviously. No need for democracy at home). Basically of the GCC states they are the 'weak link' in Saudi facing off against Iran. They also helped broker the talks between Obama administration and Iran that reopened the Nuclear talks so I think the Saudis generally want to be the only player in the region. Upstarts need to be put in their place. Thank you both. This is what I was trying to ask. Makes sense.
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mcmagic posted:Have you seen his cabinet? He's a perfect outgrowth of modern conservatism. Corporate funded fake populism. He's nothing new. that's largely Trump's personal obsession with wealth and his need to strike alliances with the other parts of the Republican coalition to tamper down internal dissent trump himself has no loyalties to the causes that put him in office, but the driving force behind him wasn't corporatism. many of the things that led to him are outgrowths of the noxious methods conservatism has used to advance its ends - such as railing against education and expertise because facts show conservative economic theories are garbage fit only for mockery - but what put trump over the top in the states that gave him the presidency wasn't corporatism, it was (fake) opposition to it he is absolutely something new: railing against free trade is very, very new for republicans and fairly anti-corporatist. like, he's governing as a fairly standard republican, but much more incompetent, but he didn't run as one and he didn't get his nomination and election by acting like one
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evilweasel posted:and i'm saying your causes don't match the outcomes, trump isn't really an outgrowth of corporatism and is somewhat of a backlash against it I think the growing power of corporate influence and the right wing is fairly uncontroversial, even during the New Deal period. I'm not sure how stating that this trend will produce figures like trump as a product of the stresses wealth inequality, right wing policies, and the overwhelming influence of corporate entities place on the republic is inconsistent or contradictory.
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evilweasel posted:and i'm saying your causes don't match the outcomes, trump isn't really an outgrowth of corporatism and is somewhat of a backlash against it Trump's populism is very... business-y. I'm not really sure of the word that I'm looking for here, but Trump being a rich businessman was a huge part of the cover for his racism and sexism. I don't think someone like him could have actually gotten anywhere without that particular characteristic.
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theflyingorc posted:you can, their LV screening is real bad, their predictions are real bad 
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Paradoxish posted:Trump's populism is very... business-y. I'm not really sure of the word that I'm looking for here, but Trump being a rich businessman was a huge part of the cover for his racism and sexism. I don't think someone like him could have actually gotten anywhere without that particular characteristic. i think he used his wealth to suggest he must be incorruptible and competent, both of which are hilariously untrue, but like for part of the republican primary he was running on increasing taxes on the rich, running against free trade, and the racism and sexism was part of his appeal rather than a thing he needed cover for
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Paradoxish posted:Trump's populism is very... business-y. I'm not really sure of the word that I'm looking for here, but Trump being a rich businessman was a huge part of the cover for his racism and sexism. I don't think someone like him could have actually gotten anywhere without that particular characteristic. He's the man his voters wish they could be. Trump is just like them, only with, like, a bajillion dollars, which they would also have if it weren't for those drat foreigners and muslims everywhere getting in the way of In short, Glazier has it right. Glazier posted:Exactly, we need to stop pretending that Trump isn't the corporeal form of the GOP.
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They're essentially the only statements we get from the White House, so...yes?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/05/15/cold_war_map_shows_areas_prohibited_to_soviet_travelers_in_the_united_states.html How the gently caress was this supposed to work? Were we just counting on their citizens expecting "Papers, please!" around every street corner and not realizing you could freely travel inside the US?
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