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Pellisworth posted:ask if Trump believes climate change is real I want them to ask "does trump understand what climate change is, and how it works, at all?"
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The Glumslinger posted:Every single election you hear a billion of these, half of them are wrong, then 4 years later they all come back and do the exact same tour, just adding another rule to their "prediction" to cover if they hosed up the last election. Exactly. They all fit their models to existing outcomes even though they (presumably) know that doesn't mean dick but also know that the public are stupid and don't understand that so they can nonetheless make the media rounds selling their new bullshit.
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Jun 5, 2017 19:27
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My personal favorite was her response to Qatar, "uhh we have absolutely no idea despite visiting the region literally 2 weeks ago".
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Jun 5, 2017 19:28
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ReidRansom posted:My worry would be that it would then draw the same sort of contempt republicans seem to have for other entities in that mold and face the same sort of fuckery they try pulling with those (massive pre-funding requirements for benefits, etc. as in the case of USPS), all with the unstated goal of government divestment and sale of assets and operation to for-profit enterprises. yeah but it's not like they don't randomly gently caress with the funding of governmental entities too  like I said I know nothing about the merits of this proposal and i'm predisposed to think its dumb because trump supports it, but i think people aren't quite grasping what exactly it is
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The Glumslinger posted:Every single election you hear a billion of these, half of them are wrong, then 4 years later they all come back and do the exact same tour, just adding another rule to their "prediction" to cover if they hosed up the last election. It's also not that unlikely that a person will predict 10 coinflips where 4 of them the outcome was completely obvious
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:There really is not a good huckabee 
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Ventana posted:Other Shaun but i love this video more than most pets I've owned
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Jun 5, 2017 19:32
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evilweasel posted:yeah but it's not like they don't randomly gently caress with the funding of governmental entities too That's fair And yeah it sounds like something that has been on various peoples' radar for some time now, but agree that Trump's support instantly sets me against it, unless I see really convincing arguments otherwise
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Jun 5, 2017 19:33
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It's beautiful that his tweets will probably be a major factor in bringing Trump down. He fucks up his own legal defenses (in the Muslim Ban and Comey testimony) and contradicts his own admin's messaging and policies, and everyone has to double down and insist that every tweet is 100% serious and correct. Case in point: covfefe Spicer couldn't even say it was just a silly error. He said "Trump and a small group of people know what it means."
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Jun 5, 2017 19:33
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Also, it should be a fantastic week for Trump twitter dumps. Remember he fired his communications director who apparently was one of the people who kept taking Trump's phone away. Sanders said just now in the briefing that Spicer is taking on some of the duties of the comm director in the meantime. Comey testifies on Thursday and Trump is going to have zero filter this week.
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evilweasel posted:the hillary campaign was generally criticized for doing too much stuff about why Trump sucks and too little about "here is what i, hillary clinton, will do for you". They were, but they also were criticized for not effectively tying Trump to the Republican Party as well. The strategy was that Trump was so hated, he'd drag the rest of his party down with him, and unfortunately, that strategy didn't pan out. quote:so the democratic candidates want to run on their positive vision for america, run against republicans generally - and that includes the specific terrible things candidate x voted for, like the ahca - but to not waste their time on how much of a garbage person trump is and what a burning trash fire his administration is because if you don't know that by now, how is anyone going to convince you I think this applies to the Republican base, however you define it, but one thing that I think we need to keep in mind in this discussion: most American voters are pretty drat politically ignorant. Most of them probably don't know how their representative voted on the AHCA. They may not know what the AHCA is, and they don't know how it personally affects them, their family, and their community. A lot of them don't even know who their rep is. To you and me, getting Republicans out of office on all levels is the top priority. We know why it's important that the HFC needs to never have legislative power over anyone ever again. Most Americans aren't politically aware or motivated enough to feel that, though. 2018's a midterm election, Trump's not personally on the ballot, and we need people to turn out and vote these absolute fuckers out of office. We need to make sure that non-Trump diehards understand that without a Republican Congress, there would be no AHCA, no cuts to Meals on Wheels, no slashing of food stamps, no Betsy Devos. quote:but you can perhaps be convinced that your representative voted to take away your health care and the democratic candidate is saying some sensible things that are good for you even though you still believe in your heart of hearts, because you lack a brain, trump still is fighting for you  I think Americans should hate Paul Ryan at least as much as they hate Trump, personally. I hope the Dems do their best to make that happen.
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There was a poll about a month ago (which seems like an eternity) that showed than about 60% of the country thinks that Trump is "his own thing" and his positives/negatives do not reflect the Republican Party as a whole. It was basically just Democrats and Democratic-leaning Independents that thought that Trump was representative of the Republican Party as a whole. There are quite a few people in the "disapprove" column that will still enthusiastically vote Republican in the midterms and aren't "base" Republicans.
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So here's a bit of a recap of Sarah's briefing: - Starts with talking mostly about air traffic control and her kid's birthday(?) - Lots of questions about Trump attacking the mayor of London - Journalists ask where Spicey is - Gets asked what the administration's response is to Qatar, to which Sarah basically replies "we have no idea", note that Trump visited that region 2 weeks ago - Finally gets asked about Trump omitting article 5 during his NATO speech all on his own, gives a one-line non-answer, then immediately says that's it I'm gone - In the final seconds you can hear a reporter shouting "you can stay longer?" Note that she talked more about her kid's birthday than the article 5 debacle.
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Majorian posted:I think this applies to the Republican base, however you define it, but one thing that I think we need to keep in mind in this discussion: most American voters are pretty drat politically ignorant. Most of them probably don't know how their representative voted on the AHCA. They may not know what the AHCA is, and they don't know how it personally affects them, their family, and their community. A lot of them don't even know who their rep is. To you and me, getting Republicans out of office on all levels is the top priority. We know why it's important that the HFC needs to never have legislative power over anyone ever again. Most Americans aren't politically aware or motivated enough to feel that, though. 2018's a midterm election, Trump's not personally on the ballot, and we need people to turn out and vote these absolute fuckers out of office. We need to make sure that non-Trump diehards understand that without a Republican Congress, there would be no AHCA, no cuts to Meals on Wheels, no slashing of food stamps, no Betsy Devos. The Quist campaign was so effective in getting the media to ask the Republican candidate about his position on the AHCA that the guy punched a reporter. They're running on heath care, there's no doubt about it. They will make very sure to tie their opponents to their vote on the AHCA (which is WAY less popular than Trump) and to all of the other stupid unpopular things the Republican congress is doing. There's no need to tie the Republican congress to Trump to make wavering voters hate the Republican congress: they're doing that themselves. People paid attention to the AHCA, they know it's the Republican bill, and most people will assume their Republican representative voted for it (even if they didn't). There's no question Democrats will run on how terrible the Republican platform has been. There's just little benefit to tying Trump to it because Trump's policies (to the extent they exist) tend to be more popular than Paul Ryans and the fact he is a garbage human being has not been as effective as one would like.
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Krispy Kareem posted:That's so beautiful. At this point, we can trace Trump's stupider moves to petty beefs he's had with people. Obama loved the ACA, so screw that. Hillary was in charge of the State Department, yep let's gut that. Air traffic controllers may have routed planes over his club, let's privatize them. Bu that can still happen? Did gun stores/gun ranges that used pictures of Obama and Clinton ever actually face anything other than a finger wag?
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evilweasel posted:that researcher is a lying weasel
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Zero_Grade posted:Whoa, unexpected slam against weasels right here. you hate to see that kind of self hatred from the weasel community
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Pollyanna posted:Yeah, I'd really like to get a breakdown of what parts of his former base has left him. I guessing coal and military ditched him, while alt-right and racists are as gung ho as ever. Yes. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-are-overperforming-in-special-elections-almost-everywhere/ Dems are doing about 14 points better, even when you count massive swings against them in CT where everyone hates the Dem governor.
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evilweasel posted:The Quist campaign was so effective in getting the media to ask the Republican candidate about his position on the AHCA that the guy punched a reporter. Was that the Quist campaign that actually engineered that, though? My understanding is that they didn't run very many negative ads at all - too few, in fact. quote:They're running on heath care, there's no doubt about it. They will make very sure to tie their opponents to their vote on the AHCA (which is WAY less popular than Trump) and to all of the other stupid unpopular things the Republican congress is doing. There's no need to tie the Republican congress to Trump to make wavering voters hate the Republican congress: they're doing that themselves. People paid attention to the AHCA, they know it's the Republican bill, and most people will assume their Republican representative voted for it (even if they didn't). That's fair; I suppose what I'm advocating would probably be more appropriate in a presidential election year. I still think it would be helpful to remind voters, "Hey, you hate Trump? Want to kneecap his administration? Vote his allies out of office!" But who knows, maybe they're making that connection themselves. I concede it's possible.
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empty whippet box posted:I want them to ask "does trump understand what climate change is, and how it works, at all?" https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/870775483016859648
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Harrow posted:Regarding Trump's base still loving him, our pal Nate Silver has thoughts on that: A lot of these complaints about his base always supporting him also seem to drastically misunderstand what's meant by the term "base." Trump's base will probably vote for him no matter what because that's what it means to talk about someone's base. When we're talking about the Democratic base, we're talking about Democratic voters who will vote for Democrats under all but the most extreme circumstances. His base isn't even close to being the whole Republican party and the whole Republican party certainly isn't going to support him in 2020. The people who are still circling the wagons after all the scandals have aired and the dust has settled? That's his base, and it's probably not going to be all that large. The question is going to be what the GOP decides to do about walking into 2020 with a massively unpopular president that doesn't have the support of his own party.
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evilweasel posted:i don't believe anyone who wasn't in a coma for 2016 will be complacent in any election in their lifetimes from here on out "Boy I can't believe Florida was so close! I'll never stay home again! There really are differences between the candidates! Third party votes are also a waste." -Voters after 2000
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I don't give a gently caress about the GOP base or Trump's base or whatever the gently caress. 35% of the country are basically incurable white power fascists, and that sucks, but they don't decide anything by themselves. poo poo that DOES matter, in no particular order: -Idiots who flipped from voting Obama in 2008 or 2012 to Trump in 2016 -Idiots who didn't vote at all after previously voting Obama in 2008 or 2012 -Democratic turnout in general, especially in mid-terms when it's often just poo poo compared to Republicans -Voter suppression -The Democrats running non-garbage candidates
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There was a poll about a month ago (which seems like an eternity) that showed than about 60% of the country thinks that Trump is "his own thing" and his positives/negatives do not reflect the Republican Party as a whole. We surely can draw many important conclusions from the poll you are going to tell us about that we don't get to see.
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axeil posted:"Boy I can't believe Florida was so close! I'll never stay home again! There really are differences between the candidates! Third party votes are also a waste." I think a lot of those people DID turn out. But the new crop of 25-and-under-year-olds didn't believe them.
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axeil posted:"Boy I can't believe Florida was so close! I'll never stay home again! There really are differences between the candidates! Third party votes are also a waste." In fairness, I think 2000 did create a big stigma on 3rd party voting
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evilweasel posted:that researcher is a lying weasel Yeah in general all those models that boast about "never having missed an election since XXXX" are poo poo because there aren't a whole lot of data points and those models are probably highly miscalibrated. Sunspot activity has never missed an economic recession, but if you seriously tried to argue we should look at sunspots to predict economic activity you'd be laughed out of the room.
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evilweasel posted:that researcher is a lying weasel Okay, so the researcher was dumb and wrong. Republicans are still going to lose seats because even popular Presidents lose seats in the midterms if their party controlled the House. And Trump will never be a popular President. It's just icing on the cake that his hardcore supporters won't necessarily come out and support Republicans and Republicans will be discouraged by Trump and his hardcore supporters.
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sean10mm posted:I don't give a gently caress about the GOP base or Trump's base or whatever the gently caress. 35% of the country are basically incurable white power fascists, and that sucks, but they don't decide anything by themselves. This, 100%. And the word "idiots" is kind of the operative term there, unfortunately. As bizarre as it is for us to consider, there really are a lot of voters who are, in fact, so politically ignorant, that they'd vote for Obama and then somehow think voting for Trump is a good idea. These voters aren't irredeemable; they're just really, really politically unaware.
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evilweasel posted:there will probably be some idiots in 2032 who weren't really aware of how bad the trump years were and who spout ~both parties are the same vote jill stein~ nonsense like some people did in 2016 because they didn't remember how ~both parties are the same vote ralph nader~ turned out in 2000, but that's 16 years from now and maybe the next generation will have less idiots bad at math
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/871806943626768384 https://twitter.com/EricBoehlert/status/871805525905813504 https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/871805778814001152 https://twitter.com/JaredRizzi/status/871804846286004224 https://twitter.com/nielslesniewski/status/871805108975276034 https://twitter.com/politico/status/871798550572695552 https://twitter.com/owillis/status/871805158904270854 Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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So Breitbart fired someone https://twitter.com/k_mcq/status/871770296667299841 The reason is she said what is in Breitbart's heads https://twitter.com/k_mcq/status/871138163728809984
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Leaving the Paris Accords gained Trump literally nothing and only ended up pissing off both regular and powerful people across the political spectrum. It was an amazing self own.
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You know, if we default on our debt and destroy the global economy, before I die in the mad max wasteland I'm gonna have myself a sensible chuckle about how loving stupid businessmen are for having supported a massively destabilizing incompetent rear end in a top hat in hopes of tax cuts.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Leaving the Paris Accords gained Trump literally nothing and only ended up pissing off both regular and powerful people across the political spectrum. It was an amazing self own. It's not his fault you can't see the 7D chessboard. 
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Night10194 posted:You know, if we default on our debt and destroy the global economy, before I die in the mad max wasteland I'm gonna have myself a sensible chuckle about how loving stupid businessmen are for having supported a massively destabilizing incompetent rear end in a top hat in hopes of tax cuts. I'll call myself Lord Skipmungus and lead a band of blood-craved cannibals as we eat everyone who makes more than $100,000 per year.
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