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Brainiac Five posted:$25/hr, indexed to median wages, GMI gradually transferring to Basic Income. And guaranteed access to affordable housing and free universal childcare and a nationalized healthcare, pharmaceutical, and medical device system. Hillary Clinton supported none of these things so why did you waste 2 years of your life knocking everything you just listed
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Brainiac Five posted:$25/hr, indexed to median wages, GMI gradually transferring to Basic Income. And guaranteed access to affordable housing and free universal childcare and a nationalized healthcare, pharmaceutical, and medical device system. All of this is great, how do we get there?
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Jun 6, 2017 01:55
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NewForumSoftware posted:I mean, I agree with you, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that civil rights legislation has been absolute poo poo for the past 40 years and the Democrats can and should do better. Not choosing the candidate who coined the term superpredators as their 2016 nominee would have been a good start. glad u came along to save the black community from voting for kkkillary kkkitler ben ghazi kkklinton o wait
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Jun 6, 2017 01:55
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NewForumSoftware posted:You can't choose your race but you can choose your class. lol
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Jun 6, 2017 01:56
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NewForumSoftware posted:All of this is great, how do we get there? Emasculating EugeneJ on live teevee.
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Jun 6, 2017 01:56
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Brainiac Five posted:Oh so it's not consensual when you get powerbombed through the table? We already know you're a complete ghoul, Eff. You don't need to keep insisting.
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Jun 6, 2017 01:56
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stone cold posted:glad u came along to save the black community from voting for kkkillary kkkitler ben ghazi kkklinton lol it's not my job to save anyone, I just think having the less racist and rich presidential nominee probably improves our chances for having someone in power who actually wants to change the status quo
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Jun 6, 2017 01:57
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EugeneJ posted:Hillary Clinton supported none of these things so why did you waste 2 years of your life knocking everything you just listed Universal childcare was a major part of Clinton's platform, lol. But I'm endowed with the mystical knowledge of how liberal democracy functions so I know that voting is not an effectual means to push for policy compared to the alternatives.
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Jun 6, 2017 01:57
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Brainiac Five posted:Universal childcare was a major part of Clinton's platform, lol. But I'm endowed with the mystical knowledge of how liberal democracy functions so I know that voting is not an effectual means to push for policy compared to the alternatives. Only 5 years after Bernie Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-sanders-proposes-early-child-care-program
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Jun 6, 2017 01:58
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NewForumSoftware posted:lol it's not my job to save anyone, I just think having the less racist and rich presidential nominee probably improves our chances for having someone in power who actually wants to change the status quo right which is why poc voters overwhelmingly went for hmmm
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Jun 6, 2017 01:59
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NewForumSoftware posted:lol it's not my job to save anyone, I just think having the less racist and rich presidential nominee probably improves our chances for having someone in power who actually wants to change the status quo I don't think the guy with three homes who's a multimillionaire has meaningfully different class interests from Hillary Clinton. That's kind of an interesting tack to take.
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So if these are the things you want why support Clinton or the Democratic party as it exists? How does the current strategy of triangulation make this possible at all?
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Jun 6, 2017 01:59
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Brainiac Five posted:Universal childcare was a major part of Clinton's platform, lol. So you admit that you gave no poo poo about any of the progressive policies you just listed besides this one, and that you actively worked to kill them Congrats
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Jun 6, 2017 02:00
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stone cold posted:right which is why poc voters overwhelmingly went for Wait so because poc voters voted for Clinton she was the less racist choice? How does that follow? Brainiac Five posted:I don't think the guy with three homes who's a multimillionaire has meaningfully different class interests from Hillary Clinton. That's kind of an interesting tack to take. Lesser of two evils
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flashman posted:So if these are the things you want why support Clinton or the Democratic party as it exists? How does the current strategy of triangulation make this possible at all? whoah it must've been really weird for you to step in that time machine back to 1994 and somehow still post to dead forums
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Jun 6, 2017 02:01
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NewForumSoftware posted:Wait so because poc voters voted for Clinton she was the less racist choice? How does that follow? 
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flashman posted:So if these are the things you want why support Clinton or the Democratic party as it exists? How does the current strategy of triangulation make this possible at all? Well, flashy, the answer is that you don't sit around waiting for a heavenly superperson to divine what you want, you make noise and form pressure groups like the AARP or BLM to shape what politicians believe in and push for. You engage in massive acts of public protest. You force politicians to make a choice between doing the right thing and being seriously inconvenienced, at a minimum.
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Jun 6, 2017 02:02
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NewForumSoftware posted:Wait so because poc voters voted for Clinton she was the less racist choice? How does that follow? POC are unable to think for themselves?
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Brainiac Five posted:Well, flashy, the answer is that you don't sit around waiting for a heavenly superperson to divine what you want, you make noise and form pressure groups like the AARP or BLM to shape what politicians believe in and push for. You engage in massive acts of public protest. You force politicians to make a choice between doing the right thing and being seriously inconvenienced, at a minimum.
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stone cold posted:whoah it must've been really weird for you to step in that time machine back to 1994 and somehow still post to dead forums I mean we just discussed ad naseum the article about courting the Romney to Clinton Republicans.. creating a coalition of centrists based upon social wedge issue isn't about to usher in the policies described. Look at the ACA..
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Brainiac Five posted:POC are unable to think for themselves? You can all you want, the idea that every voter is well informed and makes the best choice given the facts is lunacy.
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rudatron posted:And that's why you support Bernie Sanders. No? Y'all think of him as the heavenly superperson I was talking about.
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Brainiac Five posted:POC are unable to think for themselves? Can I buy your Correct the Record flowchart? Whenever you're done with it, of course You're not done with it, are you?
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Jun 6, 2017 02:06
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NewForumSoftware posted:You can That doesn't make the aggregate meaningless, however, unless we're insisting that Bernie Sanders was definitely the less racist candidate by received truth.
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EugeneJ posted:Can I buy your Correct the Record flowchart? So have you given up on your quest to doxx and probably murder fishmech?
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Brainiac Five posted:No? Y'all think of him as the heavenly superperson I was talking about.
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Brainiac Five posted:That doesn't make the aggregate meaningless, however, unless we're insisting that Bernie Sanders was definitely the less racist candidate by received truth. I never said it was meaningless, just that Bernie Sanders record on civil rights and antiracism is spotless compared to Hillary Clinton's. "Well black people voted for her" isn't really a counter to that argument.
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Brainiac Five posted:So have you given up on your quest to doxx and probably murder fishmech? If I fulfilled your fantasies it would probably involve a 70-year old woman reading Mein Kampf to your diapered body
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rudatron posted:Bernie is doing all of those things you want. As are the DSA, the same group you talked about 'strangling'. Putting your faith in politicians is asinine, the DSA are a bunch of clowns without any ideological discipline. NewForumSoftware posted:I never said it was meaningless, just that Bernie Sanders record on civil rights and antiracism is spotless compared to Hillary Clinton's. "Well black people voted for her" isn't really a counter to that argument. Actually, people who experience racism directly choosing one candidate over another does counter the argument that it's inherently clear which one was less racist than the other, unless we assume racial minorities are unable to understand racism for some reason. In theory, you might even ask people of color who supported Clinton why they did so.
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Brainiac Five posted:POC are unable to think for themselves? A lot of white people voted for Trump. Are poc inherently superior to whites or are they also able to vote for the worse candidate?
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Futuresight posted:A lot of white people voted for Trump. Are poc inherently superior to whites or are they also able to vote for the worse candidate? What?
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Brainiac Five posted:Putting your faith in politicians is asinine, the DSA are a bunch of clowns without any ideological discipline. Where do you put your faith, then?
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WampaLord posted:Where do you put your faith, then? This red right hand of mine.
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Brainiac Five posted:What? That <demographic> voted for <candidate> is not evidence that <candidate> was the best choice for <demographic>. We saw this in practice when white people voted Trump into the Whitehouse. So unless you're going to argue that POC are immune to voting in the worst candidate unlike white people, then you can't just be like poc voted for her therefore she was the best choice for them.
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NewForumSoftware posted:You can now tell me about the dem plantation 
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Futuresight posted:That <demographic> voted for <candidate> is not evidence that <candidate> was the best choice for <demographic>. We saw this in practice when white people voted Trump into the Whitehouse. So unless you're going to argue that POC are immune to voting in the worst candidate unlike white people, then you can't just be like poc voted for her therefore she was the best choice for them. White people voting for the white supremacist candidate agrees with my post entirely, though.
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Jun 6, 2017 02:19
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Brainiac Five posted:Putting your faith in politicians is asinine, the DSA are a bunch of clowns without any ideological discipline. Brainiac Five posted:$25/hr, indexed to median wages, GMI gradually transferring to Basic Income. And guaranteed access to affordable housing and free universal childcare and a nationalized healthcare, pharmaceutical, and medical device system. I'm kinda confused; how are all these great things going to come about without any of the following: -Politicians -Leftist/DSA (who you've indicated your displeasure towards) -Liberal Centrist (who you've also scoffed at in various threads) Brainiac Five posted:This red right hand of mine. Ah, of course.
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Jun 6, 2017 02:20
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BadOptics posted:I'm kinda confused; how are all these great things going to come about without any of the following: Not putting your faith in politicians as your personal Messianic figures doesn't translate to eliminating them, the DSA is not the sum total of leftism, and your flailing about is pathetic.
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BadOptics posted:I'm kinda confused; how are all these great things going to come about without any of the following: By using them as tools rather than putting faith in them, is I think the point.
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White supremacists vote against their actual material interests all the loving time by virtue of their stupid ideology so I wouldn't use them as evidence for voters making correct choices.
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