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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Imagine being a farmer in 2017 i mean... really... lol its the future idiots, who needs food?
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Jun 6, 2017 10:53
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Its 26 marginal labour held seats UKIP are staying clear of Knew it was 20 something
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May under pressure as ministers plan more cutbacks for anti‑terror budgetquote:Ministers are planning multimillion-pound cuts this year to a counterterrorism budget described by Theresa May as being at “the heart of the UK’s response to the threat we face”. This is bad for Theresa May.
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OwlFancier posted:I think the only BBC thing I have any use for is the orchestra. Radio's crap, TV's crap, political coverage is crap to actively harmful. Kermode and Mayo on Radio 5, and everything on BBCFour, plus the annual one or two good dramas. Plus University Challenge and the World Service podcast. Everything else may be purged by Corbynista deathsquads. Of course, I'm Irish so I get the Beeb for free. Thanks for subsidising my entertainment with your licence fees, lads. (Our state broadcaster is much, much worse)
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Jun 6, 2017 10:53
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Jose posted:like what the gently caress did they think was going to happen They wanted to grow GM, have less red tape around their subsidies and thought they could export around the world easy. Also the Tories whispered loudly in their ears that the EU subsidies would be replaced by red, white and blue subsidies. It was all extremely foolish, even if there are lots of EU elements of farming and environmental legislation that are irritating to farmers.
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Jun 6, 2017 10:54
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kustomkarkommando posted:Its 26 marginal labour held seats UKIP are staying clear of You mean 'not standing so they don't lose their deposits because they're poor now without Arron Banks as sugardaddy' tbh
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Jun 6, 2017 10:57
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Would be nice if this was the start of the break up of big faceless corporate farms and the land gets sold off to people who actually want to farm it to produce food.
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Jun 6, 2017 10:58
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learnincurve posted:Would be nice if this was the break up of big faceless corporate farms and the land gets sold off to people who actually want to farm it to produce food. Huh? What faceless corporate farms do you mean? The UK (and the EU) are overwhelmingly dominated by family farm structures that go from very tiny to very large. Most arable land is already used to produce food, energy and other stuff people seem to like and want.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:00
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Borrovan posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/ Well add my complaint to the pile, for what it's worth anyway.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:00
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goddamnedtwisto posted:As in 430-ish total seats, or do you mean an 80-seat lead? The Tory majority is currently 12, I think that will be at least 80 after the election.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:01
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feedmegin posted:You mean 'not standing so they don't lose their deposits because they're poor now without Arron Banks as sugardaddy' tbh No these are seats with healthy UKIP votes where Tory+UKIP would exceed labour
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Jun 6, 2017 11:02
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Kermode and Mayo on Radio 5, and everything on BBCFour, plus the annual one or two good dramas. Plus University Challenge and the World Service podcast. Everything else may be purged by Corbynista deathsquads. I'd normally agree, but RTÉ gave the world Republic of Telly, and by extention, Robogarda, which still makes me laugh like a loving idiot every time.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:02
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learnincurve posted:I don't have a television licence. A Man turned up demanding I get one, I told him that I don't need one and he got all overly aggressive and said he would report me for being "a thief" and I told him good luck with that I don't own a Televison, PC, TV aerial or sky dish. He left looking a bit sheepish. and then everyone stood up and clapped
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Cerv posted:and then everyone stood up and clapped That's televisions name was Albert Einstein
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peanut- posted:http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/06/05/polls-labours-surging-non-london-doorstep-its-a-nuclear-winter-for-labour-somethings-got-to-give/ Jose posted:this is grim It is. As many have pointed out these people have an agenda, they say as much in the first line of the article, however before I offer some hope (sorry - lies) can I first state for the record that I don't think Labour are going to win this election and given the looming wall that is Brexit don't necessarily think this is a bad thing. I would love to see a hung parliament although consider a small Tory majority likely. Anyway here are a few things that let this article down. • Polls now have Corbyn and May pretty much neck and neck approval wise by the measure that has been good at predicting elections. This article does not acknowledge that. • The author mentions Labour positives not being straight with the pollsters in protest or for sentimental reasons. This could equally be true of Tory positives who don't like Corbyn but are traditionally Labour then revert to type at the ballot box. In short we may have a new generation of shy Labour supporters. The article does not mention this. • There is no actual data involved in this article unlike the polls where there is lots. The author might have seen some but if so it will be bitty and weak. You do get a feeling on the doorstep but it is affected by your own perspective and as we’ve said there is an agenda. If you had gone out canvassing the night after Nick Clegg won that debate (as I was for the Lib Dems at the time) you would have felt like God’s gift to democracy. Now we have #libdemfightback so we all know how that went. • Electoral register updates are extremely cumbersome to implement. There is no way local parties have all the info on newly registered voters and there is even less way they have sampled all that many. Constituency polling is hard in itself and younger voters are particularly hard to reach. You need years of data to predict outcomes well in any one constituency. Both campaigns are visiting places based on out-of-date information – but it’s the best they can do. • If the Labour surge is contained in London, why have they jumped nine points in Scotland? I’m sure there are other issues too.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:06
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Oberleutnant posted:Imagine being a farmer in 2017 i mean... really... lol its the future idiots, who needs food? Junior G-man posted:They wanted to grow GM
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Jun 6, 2017 11:08
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Why does no one ever believe I don't have a TV?  E: I did have a TV but I tested it after the move and it was broken so I skipped it.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:09
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If you don't have a TV then what are you posting on? 
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Jun 6, 2017 11:10
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dispatch_async posted:May under pressure as ministers plan more cutbacks for anti‑terror budget gently caress me. The worst election campaign I hope I'll ever see.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:11
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dispatch_async posted:May under pressure as ministers plan more cutbacks for anti‑terror budget time to do more with less
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Junior G-man posted:Huh? What faceless corporate farms do you mean? The UK (and the EU) are overwhelmingly dominated by family farm structures that go from very tiny to very large. It's actually one of the reasons EU farmers are so reliant on subsidies. With quite fine margins on farming and a volatile market on prices, farms need both volume and diversity to reliably stay in business. Traditional smaller farms can only really choose one or the other and the result is that they are generally at the mercy of market prices, which subsidies can eliminate. Reducing subsidies will result in smaller farms folding and either surviving farms that were luckier or slightly better run expanding or (more likely) international agricorps buying them up. Farmers resented EU regulations and basically went all in on the 'Brexit will be exactly like being in the EU with none of that bad bits and the freedom to get even more good bits!' They saw their current problems and decided that the reality of current inconveniences outweighed the possibility of disastrous problems. They are now beginning to realise that 'possibility' is something can become reality and actually a disastrous problem is worse than a large inconvenience. I have no pity for them but if (when) May wins a majority we'll probably see subsidies cut, regulations slashed and British farming become largely the province of a handful of international agricultural firms. Then we'll get to hear UKIPpers getting up on their high horse about the need to bring back British owned farms and kick out all these foreign corporations. Actually I think that may be the next big conflict in British politics. Without the EU to focus it, xenophobia is going to become more nakedly about rejecting foreign influence or immigration versus businesses, academia and basically everyone who wants to live in the modern world on every level seeking international co-operation. It's equally a tension in both parties so I wonder if we'll continue to see a broadly less/greater level of state control as the main political conflict with a background nationalist/internationalist conflict in the two main parties? It seems like an issue which will soon become a lot more important.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:14
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No but really is she actually trying to throw this thing to avoid dealing with brexit. It feel a bit tinfoil hat saying it but...
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Jun 6, 2017 11:15
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I'm gonna make a bold prediction that the models used aren't going to be applicable to the situation and hence will not accurately reflect the outcome. This will lead to a few weeks of questioning the validity of polling models or indeed the utility of political opinion polls whatsoever until the next whiff of an election presents itself, in which case lets have a look at some motherfucking polls up in here. In other news, shooting grey squirrels and allotments are both excellent things in the right circumstances, although combining the two activities may cause friction with the local allotment society
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ThomasPaine posted:No but really is she actually trying to throw this thing to avoid dealing with brexit. It feel a bit tinfoil hat saying it but... Never attribute to 4 dimensional chess what can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:17
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Jose posted:like what the gently caress did they think was going to happen
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OwlFancier posted:Never attribute to 4 dimensional chess what can be adequately explained by stupidity. It just seems to be veering from 'dumb' into 'active self-sabotage'. We've just had three terrorist attacks in as many months, it's two days before the election, and she starts talking about cuts to the security services??? And that's just the most recent ridiculous thing. Says a hell of a lot about the UK that she'll probably win regardless.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:19
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ThomasPaine posted:It just seems to be veering from 'dumb' into 'active self-sabotage'. We've just had three terrorist attacks in as many months, it's two days before the election, and she starts talking about cuts to the security services??? And that's just the most recent ridiculous thing. Says a hell of a lot about the UK that she'll probably win regardless. I believe the idea there is that she proposed the cuts before the terror attack and now someone's dug them up. It's more a matter of "huh, if you actually look for more than a second tories are awful at doing everything, how unexpected, surely there is no trend involved here and we shouldn't subject them to any general level of scrutiny in future."
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ThomasPaine posted:It just seems to be veering from 'dumb' into 'active self-sabotage'. We've just had three terrorist attacks in as many months, it's two days before the election, and she starts talking about cuts to the security services??? And that's just the most recent ridiculous thing. Says a hell of a lot about the UK that she'll probably win regardless. But you see we need a strong tough leader who's not afraid to make the tough, worst possible choice in response to any stimulus
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Jun 6, 2017 11:21
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MrNemo posted:It's actually one of the reasons EU farmers are so reliant on subsidies. With quite fine margins on farming and a volatile market on prices, farms need both volume and diversity to reliably stay in business. Traditional smaller farms can only really choose one or the other and the result is that they are generally at the mercy of market prices, which subsidies can eliminate. Reducing subsidies will result in smaller farms folding and either surviving farms that were luckier or slightly better run expanding or (more likely) international agricorps buying them up. True, but the presence of major agri corporations is still quite tiny in the EU; it's often used as a boogey man but without much backbone to it. Plus, farm amalgamation and scaling-up has been taking place since before WWII, and even EU subsidies have only managed to (somewhat) slowed that trend; I don't think Brexit or no, that will change. If people really want lots of tiny farms with picture-book families who honestly move straw around with their own honest hands, they'll have to pay out the rear end for it. Which they won't do.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:22
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ThomasPaine posted:No but really is she actually trying to throw this thing to avoid dealing with brexit. It feel a bit tinfoil hat saying it but... I don't know how true that is (surely after so long at the Home Office she knew that no ECJ and no free movement meant no single market). But it's what some people are saying. Zephro fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Jun 6, 2017 11:22
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Being fair I still think that article where the same dude states unequivocally that Corbyn would come fourth in the Labour leadership contest is indicative of the article. That said yeah, best case scenario according to current polling is Labour losing 10 seats or so.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:23
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Made a complaint to the BBC for all the good it'll do. That poo poo's barely worthy of the tabloids, let alone the supposedly unbiased state broadcaster. gently caress 'em.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:23
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Even with the Labour surge, a increased Tory majority with a convincing vote margin is still the most likely outcome, with hung parliament and Tory landslide as the outside chances within the 95% interval. The excitement comes from the fact that Corbyn was supposed to be obliterated and possibly return a Lib Dem-esque number of votes. And rhetorically, beating that expectation is the best place for him so don't get too optimistic, especially in public (unless you need to convince some young voters to the polls).
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Jun 6, 2017 11:24
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Jose posted:this is grim It's also from a group of super-Blairite shitheels and doesn't reflect my experience.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:24
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Theresa May is promising to make the tough choices necessary so that I, a poor person, will either starve to death, die lying on a trolley in the corridor of an A&E, or be raped and murdered in my own home. I've got to respect her for telling it like it is tbh, and it's clear that we're not living within our means, and that consequently I must suffer The Hellfucking. Labour can promise a fair wage, stronger worker protections, and affordable housing all they want, but it's just pandering and I can see right through it. Where is this money going to come from? A loving magic money tree? Grow up and vote for the tough adult choices. Vote Tory.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:27
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I'm bracing for the fight after the election between 'someone other than Corbyn would have won' and 'a Corbyn not undermined by his own party for two years would have won'. Awkwardly as ever, both are probably true.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:27
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Jeremy Corbyn will win the next election after four years of BREXIT MEANS BREXIT and cuts to everything including security
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Jun 6, 2017 11:28
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Peel posted:I'm bracing for the fight after the election between 'someone other than Corbyn would have won' and 'a Corbyn not undermined by his own party for two years would have won'. Awkwardly as ever, both are probably true. Well yes because "somebody other than Corbyn" wouldn't have been systematically undermined by his own party for 2 years. These arguments are perfect in accordance with one another, but the former argument is one that is made by willfully dense twats.
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Junior G-man posted:True, but the presence of major agri corporations is still quite tiny in the EU Syngenta, Bayer Cropscience and BASF's GM division are all based in the EU or at least EFTA. They don't do all that much trade here, but there is certainly a lot of research money spent in Europe and you can bet that in the CETA/TTIP days the union will be heavily pressured to accept GM food imports and eventually GM commercial farming.
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