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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Peel posted:Even with the Labour surge, a increased Tory majority with a convincing vote margin is still the most likely outcome, with hung parliament and Tory landslide as the outside chances within the 95% interval. The excitement comes from the fact that Corbyn was supposed to be obliterated and possibly return a Lib Dem-esque number of votes. And rhetorically, beating that expectation is the best place for him so don't get too optimistic, especially in public (unless you need to convince some young voters to the polls). Not sure I share your excitement about five years of strengthened Tory government. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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jBrereton posted:That is not true. No, those companies are involved in agri-chemistry and seed production. They're feed-in companies to the farming industry and they are indeed huge. They are, however, not "agri-corporates" that own/rent land and produce food. It's an enormous difference. Also, there's almost no more research money spent by any of those companies in the EU, since it has maintained its faintly idiotic opposition to GM and probably the new tools as well.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:32
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Peel posted:I'm bracing for the fight after the election between 'someone other than Corbyn would have won' and 'a Corbyn not undermined by his own party for two years would have won'. Awkwardly as ever, both are probably true. Thing is, there is no flawless individual you could run instead of Corbyn, but that's what the first argument relies upon. Every possible candidate has some drawback.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:33
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Pochoclo posted:Relax, I seriously doubt it's going to be that bad. The economy might get hit, unemployment might rise a bit, but in the end this is still one of the strongest economies in the world, it's going to survive somehow. If the City wanders off to the continent then that's 10% of tax income immediately up in smoke
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Jun 6, 2017 11:34
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Junior G-man posted:No, those companies are involved in agri-chemistry and seed production. They're feed-in companies to the farming industry and they are indeed huge. They are, however, not "agri-corporates" that own/rent land and produce food. It's an enormous difference. I suspect post-Brexit we're going to do some kind of food deal with the US, to be honest. GM everything, and probably lower standards on animal welfare, hormones etc. It might actually result in cheaper food, especially meat, for consumers though. The EU has historically been big on agricultural protectionism (hi, France!); dropping that might conceivable actually be a good thing, monetarily at least, for people in this country who aren't farmers.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:35
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MrNemo posted:I have no pity for them but if (when) May wins a majority we'll probably see subsidies cut, regulations slashed and British farming become largely the province of a handful of international agricultural firms. Then we'll get to hear UKIPpers getting up on their high horse about the need to bring back British owned farms and kick out all these foreign corporations. I do wonder about the long term impact of farm subsidies becoming part of the Westminster budget. It's a sizeable amount of money (£2 billion a year I think) going to a relatively small number of mostly wealthy people who are generally diehard Tory voters living in Tory safe seats. I imagine the temptation to chip away at the subsidies budget would be huge. It's already something that causes ire in the Daily Mail. But I'm probably underestimating the Tories craven fealty to landowners (plus a lot of Tory MPs are landowners themselves).
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Jun 6, 2017 11:36
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Junior G-man posted:Also, there's almost no more research money spent by any of those companies in the EU, since it has maintained its faintly idiotic opposition to GM and probably the new tools as well.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:36
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MrL_JaKiri posted:If the City wanders off to the continent then that's 10% of tax income immediately up in smoke 
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Jun 6, 2017 11:37
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Farmers outlook with a Corbyn government could be quite good for them, if they'd realize that, he'd be all about subsidies and prioritizing domestic food supply and jobs outside cities, not that the UK can ever be as self reliant as say Finland which is 80% self sufficient, but every bit helps.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:39
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Good to know that nice balanced press coverage can be expected in the final days of the campaign
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Jun 6, 2017 11:42
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Guavanaut posted:Imagine if we replaced them with real jobs.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:42
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Guavanaut posted:Imagine if we replaced them with real jobs. Under a Labour government that's not impossible, under a Tory government how likely do you think that is?
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Jun 6, 2017 11:42
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feedmegin posted:I suspect post-Brexit we're going to do some kind of food deal with the US, to be honest. GM everything, and probably lower standards on animal welfare, hormones etc. It might actually result in cheaper food, especially meat, for consumers though. The EU has historically been big on agricultural protectionism (hi, France!); dropping that might conceivable actually be a good thing, monetarily at least, for people in this country who aren't farmers. Yeah, but something like 70% of UK ag trade goes to the EU; you can't simply replace your crops to with GM alternatives and ship it to the US, which has a huge internal market all of its own, and the shipping and transport would make UK GM too expensive to compete. The UK ag sector will remain closely linked to the EU's food systems, so realistically speaking there can/will be no major regulatory changes regarding GM or pesticides etc; if it's banned in the EU, UK farmers won't be allowed to use those tools to produce food - it would just be stopped at customs. The joke is on the UK ag sector; they'll have to live with the EU's food regulations anyway, but will now need to do so without its compensating subsidies.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:50
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Junior G-man posted:Yeah, but something like 70% of UK ag trade goes to the EU; you can't simply replace your crops to with GM alternatives and ship it to the US, which has a huge internal market all of its own, and the shipping and transport would make UK GM too expensive to compete.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:51
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https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/872017947585380352 ohhhh snap this woman is crazy af! NO PAIN, NO GAME, NO RULES THERESA MAYYY
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Jun 6, 2017 11:52
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jBrereton posted:I think you've forgotten that we now have £350mil a week to spend entirely on farming subsidies!! You do. I almost forgot about that. It's plausible to treat NHS patients in farm fields, right?
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Jun 6, 2017 11:53
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Junior G-man posted:You do. I almost forgot about that. Only if they're in a stable condition.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:53
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Junior G-man posted:You do. I almost forgot about that.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:56
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Just got a letter from the tories asking me to "Strengthen May's Brexit Hand". I knew she'd been thinking about brexit a lot but I didn't think that was the reason.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:56
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Pissflaps posted:Only if they're in a stable condition.  Meanwhile in election and Boris Johnson news; he's been sighted in public to do the attack dog business: quote:Here is the quote where Boris Johnson accused Jeremy Corbyn of siding with Britain’s enemies.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:57
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Remember when Boris was helping a psychopath who was trying to get a journalist's legs broken lol
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Jun 6, 2017 11:59
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I can't believe he didn't cite Red Ken as one of his enemies Corbo backs.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:59
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I was watching the BBC this morning and it still boggles my mind that ordinary people could possibly think the Tories are anything other than a party of "up the rich, gently caress everyone else." I mean that's the case in pretty much the entire Western world but it's just so amazingly blatant and brazen in the UK. In the US/Canada/Australia you at least don't get right-wing party cabinet ministers who all went to the same school and have double-barrelled surnames and own country estates and somehow still convince the man on the Clapham omnibus that they have his best interests at heart. I read a thing a while ago which talked about a "culture of deference" (to your betters) in England which is the only thing that I think could account for it. I acknowledge the savagely right-wing press but feel that's counterbalanced by the TV news impartiality rules. There's something in English people's bones which makes them suspect, even after all these years, that the people with toffy accents know what's best and the Labour party is a disruptive organisation of callow upstarts. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, obviously Labour's been in power plenty of times, but it's just baffling to me to look at the state of Britain after a devastating recession and think that most citizens are happy that the top 1% are literally in power - not just pulling the strings like they do in America or Australia, but literally sitting on the frontbench.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:00
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No, in the US you get right-wing cabinet members who all joined the same societies at the same unis, and have their own plantation estates and own the same firms instead and convinced Mississippi they give a poo poo; you're right, quite a big difference.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:02
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freebooter posted:I was watching the BBC this morning and it still boggles my mind that ordinary people could possibly think the Tories are anything other than a party of "up the rich, gently caress everyone else." I mean that's the case in pretty much the entire Western world but it's just so amazingly blatant and brazen in the UK. In the US/Canada/Australia you at least don't get right-wing party cabinet ministers who all went to the same school and have double-barrelled surnames and own country estates and somehow still convince the man on the Clapham omnibus that they have his best interests at heart. 'the historical defeat of the English working class is Great Britain's main export product' - david graeber
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Jun 6, 2017 12:04
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In the United States the answer to any social problem you care to name is "racism" which I don't think is true of Britain
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freebooter posted:In the United States the answer to any social problem you care to name is "racism" which I don't think is true of Britain
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Jun 6, 2017 12:05
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freebooter posted:I read a thing a while ago which talked about a "culture of deference" (to your betters) in England which is the only thing that I think could account for it. lol at this article quote:In the United Kingdom, local government is structurally broken. The vast majority of its funds—for schools, roads, infrastructure—are raised by national taxes and allocated by central government. When, in 1990, Margaret Thatcher attempted to change this system, by instituting a so-called “poll tax” to raise more spending locally, there were riots in central London and she was out of office within eight months.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:06
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freebooter posted:I was watching the BBC this morning and it still boggles my mind that ordinary people could possibly think the Tories are anything other than a party of "up the rich, gently caress everyone else." I mean that's the case in pretty much the entire Western world but it's just so amazingly blatant and brazen in the UK. In the US/Canada/Australia you at least don't get right-wing party cabinet ministers who all went to the same school and have double-barrelled surnames and own country estates and somehow still convince the man on the Clapham omnibus that they have his best interests at heart. The situation in the UK is pretty analogous to the situation in the US actually. The right has convinced the poor that they're on their side and that their policy positions will make them better off, while the opposition party (Labour = Democrats) has not been providing any effective opposition for a long time and has been infested with the same neoliberal ideology that the right use – making them a lukewarm version of the right wing people they're supposed to oppose. Corbyn/Sanders are playing the same role in that regard.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:07
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Oberleutnant posted:lol at this article
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Jun 6, 2017 12:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iUYWMD77w
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Jun 6, 2017 12:10
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Pissflaps posted:Only if they're in a stable condition. Pissflaps you're alright. spectralent posted:Just got a letter from the tories asking me to "Strengthen May's Brexit Hand". I knew she'd been thinking about brexit a lot but I didn't think that was the reason. That was I believe the justification for this election. See, the EU were playing hardball with all this talk of 'having to accept freedom of movement or leave the single market' so May had to up the ante by resigning, suspending negotiations for 7 weeks and then fighting an election campaign against her main opposition who is also pro-Brexit to show the EU just how much the British people love Theresa May. Because obviously the only reason they EU are being bullies and not treating Theresa as a 'serious negotiating partner' is because she's never won a proper election. I mean, that's the given reason. And I actually kind of think she believes it because calling an election is a political risk and does interfere in negotiations, I'm not sure what benefit it gets her apart from two years on top of the year immediately after Brexit. The only case where it would actually not be stupid, for me, is if there was some rumbling of internal rebellion. That would actually derail talks and could be silenced by winning a stronger majority. I think actually it was a stupid political gamble that she didn't even realise was a gamble. Which actually makes her the perfect representative for those UK farmers.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:11
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Oberleutnant posted:Theresa May is promising to make the tough choices necessary so that I, a poor person, will either starve to death, die lying on a trolley in the corridor of an A&E, or be raped and murdered in my own home. I've got to respect her for telling it like it is tbh, and it's clear that we're not living within our means, and that consequently I must suffer The Hellfucking. Mods! Mods! I think Gaussian Coppola has hacked Ober's account. (No, but really, people actually believe that Tories make hard choices. They make easy choices because it's not them who rely on the public services they cut. It's gross that this is even a narrative that exists. This country is bad)
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Jun 6, 2017 12:13
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Raeg posted:Cleggy won't be dead until Thursday. Sadly, being someone with the shame of living in his constituency, Clegger will almost certainly retain his seat, even in the face of almost losing it to a relatively unknown Lab candidate last time around. Tons of banners and placards locally, all LibDem. Not had a single campaigner call, unlike last time where we saw every party except Cleggers. Hallam's pretty much the posh part of Yorkshire. If the voting tide turns, it'd probably go blue. Though I'd love to be wrong come the 8th.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:14
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Oberleutnant posted:lol at this article Lol is that article basically saying "the UK uses a crazy, broken system where they raise taxes to pay for public services"?
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Jun 6, 2017 12:16
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MrNemo posted:Pissflaps you're alright. I more meant that "Brexit hand" sounds like "wank hand" which is funny when she keeps saying how much she's thinking about brexit. But yeah she's a dumbshit for doing this in the first place.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:17
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nopantsjack posted:Lol is that article basically saying "the UK uses a crazy, broken system where they raise taxes to pay for public services"?
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Jun 6, 2017 12:20
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spectralent posted:I more meant that "Brexit hand" sounds like "wank hand" which is funny when she keeps saying how much she's thinking about brexit. Actually in my head I read it as 'Keep May's Pimp Hand Strong' which kind of fits with how they seem to think the negotiations should work.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:21
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nopantsjack posted:Lol is that article basically saying "the UK uses a crazy, broken system where they raise taxes to pay for public services"?
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I'd normally agree, but RTÉ gave the world Republic of Telly, and by extention, Robogarda, which still makes me laugh like a loving idiot every time. Robogarda was class alright. Republic of Telly also helped break the Rubberbandits into the mainstream, so they'll always get grudging respect even though the show went to complete poo poo
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