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One minor disadvantage of Skarbrand is that daemons (with an icon) gain back d6 models if either of the dice you roll for morale comes up with a 1, and Skarbrand makes you ignore morale. If you're taking Skarbrand, the Icons won't work at all so there's another 50 points for hounds right there. I see him being fantastic against gunline armes, a little worse against other CC armies that wouldn't want to fall back, and the mad bastard gains attacks as he gets hurt rather than lose them. Despite all that, that list is exactly the dang list I was planning on.
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So, you can get a full imperium brigade detachment for 480pts if you really want to HQ Three Company commanders 90pts TROOPS Six 10 man infantry platoons 240pts ELITES Three 1 man acolytes 24pts FAST ATTACKS Three 1 dog cyberwolfs 45pts HEAVY SUPPORTS Three mortar heavy weapon squads 81pts Just a thought  Also Acolytes seem pretty bonkers for their cost? 10pts will get you a 3 wound guardsmen with 2 attacks, a bolt pistol and stormbolter that gets to reroll all hits and wounds vs chaosy things or 1s vs xenos.
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So how would you guys deal with a trygon prime + genestealers? I've been looking at battle reports and that seems to be an incredibly common combo.
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So, thing I just saw from BOLS :  That last sentence looks a lot like it's suggesting Emps finally died.... Probably bullshit, but he idea is really fun.
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Liquid Communism posted:So, thing I just saw from [url=http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/06/40k-new-rulebook-lore-shockers.html]BOLS[url] : That image originated on 4chan...
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TKIY posted:That image originated on 4chan... Figures. That'd be too interesting for GW to sack up and do it.
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chutche2 posted:So how would you guys deal with a trygon prime + genestealers? I've been looking at battle reports and that seems to be an incredibly common combo. Weapons that auto hit on overwatch. Flamers are the obvious choice but if you can get Frag Cannons they are the God-Emperor's gift to the galaxy.
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'those who would see the Master of Mankind dead'?
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Liquid Communism posted:So, thing I just saw from BOLS : It's in the main rulebook. Obvious red herring, sick of hearing nerds whining my ear off about it.
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Strobe posted:Weapons that auto hit on overwatch. Flamers are the obvious choice but if you can get Frag Cannons they are the God-Emperor's gift to the galaxy. They can charge from outside of flamer range, though. The trygon prime's adrenal glands means it's pretty likely it's getting into combat, so the trygon goes in first to eat overwatch bolter fire and has a better chance of getting in, so if the genestealers don't make it with a command reroll you're not going to be shooting at them as much. And the 5+ invuln plus Catalyst makes them hard to drop.
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chutche2 posted:So how would you guys deal with a trygon prime + genestealers? I've been looking at battle reports and that seems to be an incredibly common combo. What does it do? Nm muggins fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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They call me the Emperor and I am very much still alive
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Praise me
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BULBASAUR posted:Praise me Death to the false emperor.
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If the Emprah dies then no one would be able to keep it a secret because the next things that would quickly follow would be the astronomicon no longer working followed by the end of mostly safe space travel and then by the complete collapse of the Imperium.
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I thought there was some fluff thing about the plot to Dogma in 40k form. God is stuck on life support in a vegetable body, and he has to die to be reborn.
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Cyberpope v2 posted:I thought there was some fluff thing about the plot to Dogma in 40k form. God is stuck on life support in a vegetable body, and he has to die to be reborn. Its one of the going in-universe theories.
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Guilliman: "Father, the Imperium is failing and everything is a mess. What do I do!" Emperor "Son, I want you to find as many young boys as possible and pump them full of your genes"
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Lord Twisted posted:'those who would see the Master of Mankind dead'? Yeah that's pretty clearly what it says but people are ignoring that the last line is missing the word "is" and just going "EMPEROR DEAD" BULBASAUR posted:Guilliman: "Father, the Imperium is failing and everything is a mess. What do I do!" 
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Senjuro posted:If the Emprah dies then no one would be able to keep it a secret because the next things that would quickly follow would be the astronomicon no longer working followed by the end of mostly safe space travel and then by the complete collapse of the Imperium. It does go dark for a time shortly after the giant chaos rift opens and Khorne attacks Terra with 66 bloodthirsters. When it flares back on communication starts again and people find out that most chapters are teetering on complete destruction.
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emps dead, so what?
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This thread has sure slowed down after the full leaks hit. I guess it really did deflate GW's carefully crafted hype machine
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I heard new white dwarf is gonna come with a free big boi
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BULBASAUR posted:Guilliman: "Father, the Imperium is failing and everything is a mess. What do I do!" Without fail I read this in the electronic voice of If The Emperor Had a Text-To-Speech Device.
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Moola posted:emps dead, so what? What if... he was dead all along?!!!
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I am trying to build an 8th edition Grey Knights list for matched play and I'm pretty confused. The point cost for a model says "Does not include wargear". Storm Bolters cost 2 points per model. Almost every model in the army comes with a storm bolter. Do I really have to go through and add 2 points per model for gear that is not an upgrade on the data sheet? Why isn't this baked into the model cost?
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Megaspam posted:I am trying to build an 8th edition Grey Knights list for matched play and I'm pretty confused. The point cost for a model says "Does not include wargear". Storm Bolters cost 2 points per model. Almost every model in the army comes with a storm bolter. Do I really have to go through and add 2 points per model for gear that is not an upgrade on the data sheet? Why isn't this baked into the model cost? Yes, and to make points rebalancing easier or something respectively. Yes it's sort of dumb but it's a fairly minor issue fortunately.
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Megaspam posted:I am trying to build an 8th edition Grey Knights list for matched play and I'm pretty confused. The point cost for a model says "Does not include wargear". Storm Bolters cost 2 points per model. Almost every model in the army comes with a storm bolter. Do I really have to go through and add 2 points per model for gear that is not an upgrade on the data sheet? Megaspam posted:Why isn't this baked into the model cost?
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Well things are still positive in my neck of the woods. I've played a demo game of 8th edition and liked it, and I'm going to play a 1000 point game of nids vs Carcharadons on Thursday. At my local club the super beardy 40k tournament players have all quit because they can't take formations that give them 800 points of free stuff anymore. I imagine they'll all crawl back with their tails between their legs at some point, but until then it isn't like there isn't tons of Bolt Action and Blood Bowl going on. Looking forward to it here and liking what I've seen. It's making me want to paint up some of the grey plastic I have on sprues.
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Ayn Marx posted:What if... he was dead all along?!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6gxMiK-7AM
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Having a quick set of games tonight to try 8th, 1k points with my Nids. Going to bring two lists, Assaulty and Shooty based on what I have assembled at the moment: Patrol Detachment - Fighty Bastards The Swarmlord (1) - 300pts 1 Hive Tyrant: Bone sabers,Prehensile pincer tail Tyrant Guard (3) - 105pts 3 Tyrant Guard: Rending claws,Scything talons Tyranid Warriors (3) - 83pts 2 Tyranid Warrior: Devourer,Scything talons 1 Tyranid Warrior: Barbed strangler,Scything talons Tyranid Warriors (3) - 83pts 2 Tyranid Warrior: Devourer,Scything talons 1 Tyranid Warrior: Barbed strangler,Scything talons Raveners (3) - 75pts 3 Ravener: Rending claws,Scything talons Raveners (3) - 75pts 3 Ravener: Rending claws,Scything talons Raveners (3) - 75pts 3 Ravener: Rending claws,Scything talons Carnifexes (1) - 103pts 1 Carnifex: Two pairs of monstrous scything talons,Thresher scythe,Bio Plasma Carnifexes (1) - 103pts 1 Carnifex: Two pairs of monstrous scything talons,Thresher scythe,Bio Plasma or Patrol Detachment - Shooty Bastards Hive Tyrant with wings (1) - 211pts 1 Hive Tyrant: 2 Two deathspitter with slimer maggotss,Prehensile pincer tail Tyranid Warriors (3) - 94pts 1 Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter,Scything talons,Flesh hooks,Adrenal glands 1 Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter,Scything talons 1 Tyranid Warrior: Barbed strangler,Scything talons Tyranid Warriors (3) - 91pts 2 Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter,Scything talons 1 Tyranid Warrior: Barbed strangler,Scything talons Hive Guard (3) - 144pts 3 Hive Guard: Impaler cannon Exocrine (1) - 228pts 1 Exocrine: Bio plasmic cannon,Powerful limbs Exocrine (1) - 228pts 1 Exocrine: Bio plasmic cannon,Powerful limbs
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Thundercloud posted:At my local club the super beardy 40k tournament players have all quit because they can't take formations that give them 800 points of free stuff anymore. Wait, there are people who actually *liked* formations? I was largely out of 40k during 7th and a lot of 6th when they were a thing but I always thought they were a really lovely annoying way of doing things.
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Yeah basically Space Marines that received a free dedicated transport for every unit that could take one and AdMech who got free unit upgrades for everyone. Loss of formations does sting a little as a GSC since it means I have to leave out two of my HQs since I don't have enough models to form a second detachment yet for my Primus and Iconward.
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I know one guy who is very upset he can't run his 5 knight detachment anymore. Mostly it's that people have put lots of money and effort into building and painting an army that they can't use anymore.
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Master Twig posted:I know one guy who is very upset he can't run his 5 knight detachment anymore.
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Master Twig posted:I know one guy who is very upset he can't run his 5 knight detachment anymore. The rules are different (and the relics are gone) but you can still take a five Knight detachment 100% within 8th. edit : 2 slow 2 furious
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my kinda ape posted:Wait, there are people who actually *liked* formations? I was largely out of 40k during 7th and a lot of 6th when they were a thing but I always thought they were a really lovely annoying way of doing things. I liked them in theory--I thought that formation detachments were a potentially good, interesting way to reward building your army a certain, ideally fluffy way, and also provide clear guidelines for building an army. E.g. you could build your core formation, then start thinking about which Auxiliary formation to build/paint next. That's basically how I built my Khorne Daemonkin, and it was a lot of fun. **HOWEVER** I *wasn't* a fan of using formations outside of the detachments, nor having multiple bonuses for each formation in a formation detachment (I could be OK with like, 1 or 2, but they'd have to be simple and used sparingly), and if you are using those bonuses, you sure as poo poo better not allow the same unit to show up in multiple bonused formations within the same detachment, which did happen and was awful. And Formation Detachments needed to be on par with a CAD, which would have been much more flexible. Basically, some of it was OK but most of it was bad and there were too many formations and the execution was bad
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RagnarokAngel posted:He can though? There's literally a 3-5 Lords of War detachment. Just now anyone could theoretically do it. They're too expensive now. You can fit 5 knights into a 2k list, but 4 of them have to be Gallants to fit. If you want guns you're looking at 4 Knights.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:They're too expensive now. You can fit 5 knights into a 2k list, but 4 of them have to be Gallants to fit. If you want guns you're looking at 4 Knights. Pretty dumb reason to quit a game you have hundreds or thousands of dollars invested in regardless.
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