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Al-Saqr posted:yeah needless to say this was written before the trump tweets and with the naive assumption that america isnt run by a complete retard I'm glad we finally know what the Dr Claw warroom with The Orb was about : Operation gently caress Qatar.
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Thug Lessons posted:Okay, I'll bite. Why are Sufis Shia even though there are both Shiite and Sunni Sufis? why are alawites shi'a? it all depends on who you ask. to some alawites aren't even muslim. to others shia aren't even human. us shia need all the help we can get.
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Piss de Bundy posted:why are alawites shi'a? it all depends on who you ask. to some alawites aren't even muslim. to others shia aren't even human. us shia need all the help we can get. Fair enough.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/6foqla/sdf_spokeswoman_cihan_shekh_ahmed_to_smart_news/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck5cTgb61cU SDF Spokeswoman Cihan Shekh Ahmed to SMART News Agency: "We started moving advancing in Raqqa City from two sides. Our plan is to open safe corridors for the exit of civilians from Raqqa City." Purported infighting in Raqqa city, and holy poo poo get a load of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/6foaq0/free_euphrates_sources_reported_that_daesh/ Free Euphrates: Sources reported that Daesh started executing some of its members called Al-Hazimin for showing signs of rebellion (Raqqa City) quote:Sc1p:
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Piss de Bundy posted:why are alawites shi'a? it all depends on who you ask. to some alawites aren't even muslim. to others shia aren't even human. us shia need all the help we can get. How are the Ghulat sects (like Alawites) viewed by Twelver scholars?
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It looks like Erdogan's opposed to the Saudi blockade of Qatar, which is unsurprising since he was on the opposite side from the Saudis with regard to Egypt. As garbage as Erdogan is compared to Western countries Turkey once aspired to join, and as much as I dislike his policy toward Kurds both inside and outside his borders, he's still better than the Saudis. Holy poo poo: https://twitter.com/vplus/status/872212797005979648 Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Sinteres posted:he's still better than the Saudis. Standards so low I stubbed my toe on them. ^^That was for the faux news releases on doha news sites (iirc) and twitter accounts. Its not the sole reason, but like many things a regional strongman does they only but need a monomolecular veneer of just cause. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Jun 6, 2017 23:19
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/06/politics/russian-hackers-planted-fake-news-qatar-crisis/index.html "Intelligence gathered by the US security agencies indicates that Russian hackers were behind the intrusion first reported by the Qatari government two weeks ago. . . US officials say the Russian goal appears to be to cause rifts among the US and its allies."
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Piss de Bundy posted:why are alawites shi'a? it all depends on who you ask. to some alawites aren't even muslim. to others shia aren't even human. us shia need all the help we can get. Coming from the only guy in the history of this thread to ever use the term 'The Lion Assad' unironically, that last sentence makes me roll my eyes out of my head. A champion of the oppressed you are not.
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Jun 6, 2017 23:57
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Weren't Qatar, Bahrain, and all these other small Gulf states specifically created by the West to ensure no one country had control of all the oil resources in the region? I don't see how the US will allow any serious damage to be done to Qatar lest it set off a domino effect that would lead to Saudi Arabia controlling all of the oil.
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Bohemian Nights posted:US officials say the Russian goal appears to be to cause rifts among the US and its allies." Holy poo poo balls was that successful. Like seriously, what are the chances of any Arab state relying on US protection from KSA to take any kind of stand against Saudi influence again? Also what are the chances of the Qataris having any previously private intelligence on US operations that are even now being communicated to Iran (and then Russia)?
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Gimmick Account posted:Coming from the only guy in the history of this thread to ever use the term 'The Lion Assad' unironically, that last sentence makes me roll my eyes out of my head. A champion of the oppressed you are not. Why do you get mad about this but not the Sunni who supports al-Qaeda and is an openly anti-Shia bigot
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Also I'd wager good money he was using "the Lion Assad" ironically because it's a silly meme.
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qkkl posted:Weren't Qatar, Bahrain, and all these other small Gulf states specifically created by the West to ensure no one country had control of all the oil resources in the region? I don't see how the US will allow any serious damage to be done to Qatar lest it set off a domino effect that would lead to Saudi Arabia controlling all of the oil. Nah. Oil wasn't discovered in Qatar until 1939, despite it falling into British Protectorate status int he breakup of the Ottoman Empire. Similarly Bahrain didn't have proven oil until 1931. Aside from that, both places had had a history of being distinct places during Ottoman and earlier times. Even Saudi Arabia itself hadn't had proven oil reserves until 1938, though searches for oil in Saudi Arabia in earnest had started as soon as Bahrain started producing. The British refused to allow the Saudis to intrude too far on their protectorates after the 20s, thus ensuring they'd continue to still be outside of Saudi Arabia until they eventually got independence in the 70s. Several other Ottoman possessions on the Persian Gulf coast had successfully been invaded and seized by the Saudis before the "proper" British Protectorates could be established, and the Brits essentially decided to let that be.
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Thug Lessons posted:Developing a living bond with an apex predator and participating in its hunts? No thats gay. I'd rather do something worthwhile like playing League of Legends and posting online about it. Falcons ? Pffff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERFElbCBT90
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Thug Lessons posted:Why do you get mad about this but not the Sunni who supports al-Qaeda and is an openly anti-Shia bigot I don't get mad about genocidal salafists? Why do you make up things about me, a poster you have likely noticed for the very first time?
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Gimmick Account posted:Coming from the only guy in the history of this thread to ever use the term 'The Lion Assad' unironically, that last sentence makes me roll my eyes out of my head. A champion of the oppressed you are not. Did you miss the part where he said he doesn't like Assad's family?
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https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/872241527325700096 Living in 21st century digital feudalism is super loving awesome you guys.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Did you miss the part where he said he doesn't like Assad's family? Yes, I must have missed that part, show it to me. And also please take a look at this and then tell me again I am wrong about this guy. Treatment of Shia in Sunni-ruled countries is often quite horrible (Bahrain comes to mind, for a very recent example), but people like Piss de Bundy suddenly wrapping themselves in such humanitarian vocabulary just sets me off, I guess, because I know how they usually sound when it's their 'team' doing the torturing and killing.
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http://syriadirect.org/news/in-recently-surrendered-damascus-suburb-rebel-fighter-stays-behind-%E2%80%98i-want-a-normal-life%E2%80%99/quote:An estimated 10,000 civilians, rebel fighters and their families began leaving the embattled northeast Damascus neighborhood of Barzeh one month ago under a surrender agreement handing the opposition-held district back to the Assad regime.
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Oh, and just in case you think any of this Qatar stuff was pre-planned even slightly: https://twitter.com/MattLaslo/status/872130756063186944 quote:Just informed Senate Foreign Relations Chair Corker of what Trump tweeted about Qatar and was met with about 8 seconds of stunned silence https://twitter.com/MattLaslo/status/872171667283480576 quote:Just checked the tape: Low balled it. He was silent for a full 12 seconds On that note: https://twitter.com/Amb_AlThani/status/872249462894231552 quote:Best not to judge countries by other people's comments.Reach out to them instead to confirm especially if they are your allies & friends 1/6 I honestly have no loving clue what's going to happen with this going forward. Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Saladin Rising posted:I honestly have no loving clue what's going to happen with this going forward. Neither does Trump.
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Holy poo poo, read this list of demands being made of Qatar, it's insane. Two of the demands are to cease broadcasting Al Jazeera and to apologize to Gulf countries for abuses by Al Jazeera. https://twitter.com/faisaledroos/status/872251817110806528
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Sinteres posted:Holy poo poo, read this list of demands being made of Qatar, it's insane. Two of the demands are to cease broadcasting Al Jazeera and to apologize to Gulf countries for abuses by Al Jazeera. So the choices are to become completely subordinate to Saudi Arabia or throw in their lot with Iran. All because Trump's brain is so soft that the Saudis have realized how easy it was to nullify a potential American response. Yet again, great job GOP base.
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Sinteres posted:Holy poo poo, read this list of demands being made of Qatar, it's insane. Two of the demands are to cease broadcasting Al Jazeera and to apologize to Gulf countries for abuses by Al Jazeera. And if they refuse?
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What is the "or else" that goes with these demands? Invasion? What happens in 24 hours?
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SpaceCadetBob posted:What is the "or else" that goes with these demands? Invasion? What happens in 24 hours? Presumably they keep up their embargo of Qatar.
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Sure seems like regime change is the goal here, one way or another.
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Sinteres posted:Holy poo poo, read this list of demands being made of Qatar, it's insane. Two of the demands are to cease broadcasting Al Jazeera and to apologize to Gulf countries for abuses by Al Jazeera. This is an incredibly vindictive list of demands and their insistence on harming Hamas really does lay bare how badly they want to sign peace treaties with Israel. But it's also very much in their style, they never ever will allow any other centers of power in the region or any media abilities in the region other than what they want, they're not content with 90% they want ALL of it.
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Who would KSA put in charge? A Pakistani day-laborer?
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SpaceCadetBob posted:What is the "or else" that goes with these demands? Invasion? What happens in 24 hours? I have never studied Qatar but as a guess absolute sanctions and embargo would disrupt Qatari society and economy significantly, but give incentive for Qatar to align with Iran over this sort of treatment. Is that even possible considering geography and the size of Qatar? And would -that- trigger an invasion? This feels desperate just like Yemen, but unlike Yemen this seems to play to Saudis strengths. Unless it comes to an invasion ~_~ wtf 2017 you old bitch
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Al-Saqr posted:This is an incredibly vindictive list of demands and their insistence on harming Hamas really does lay bare how badly they want to sign peace treaties with Israel. My guess is that it ultimately has more to do with Egypt and Trump than Israel in a direct sense, but who knows. Israel sure was quick to say they agreed with what was going on yesterday.
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Sinteres posted:Holy poo poo, read this list of demands being made of Qatar, it's insane. Two of the demands are to cease broadcasting Al Jazeera and to apologize to Gulf countries for abuses by Al Jazeera.  This has now become the biggest diplomatic incident of Trump's administration in the space of less than 48 hours, it's loving nuts. I had thought things would have leveled off a bit by now, but they just keep escalating.
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Regional opportunistic Strongman tries to do lovely regional opportunistic strongman things. The nebulous 'anti-gcc elements' bit is what gets me.
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Saladin Rising posted:
Agreed. To be honest it sounds like a prelude to an invasion. There don't seem to be any reports of troop movements in the area though, at least not in English yet.
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I'm watching aljazeera, they're saying that the demands also include kicking out my favorite political scientist, Azmi Bishara, and Yusuf al Qaradawi as well as a number of editors of publications who escaped various regimes, all members of the muslim brotherhood, etc. wow talk about hyper vindictiveness. This is really an all or nothing effort.
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Looks like Qatar's joining the propaganda war. https://twitter.com/BaFana3/status/872146168058347520
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Sinteres posted:Looks like Qatar's joining the propaganda war. what's the point of publishing all of this when all the opposition in all of these countries are already dead.
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