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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Halisnacks posted:One of the few things that has given me comfort throughout this campaign is that at least May is not made of teflon like Cameron. Criticism rarely stuck to him. What Digiwizzard said, but on top of these they both: 1. hosed up the coalition negotiations by offering to raise tuition fees when they promised they wouldn't, which was accepted by the Tories who then told them they would have accepted coalition without raising fees 2. Basically bet the house on a PR referendum only to get played by both Labour (who advocated a lovely form of PR that no-one wanted) and the Tories (who campaigned hard against PR) and so came away empty handed 3. Instead of pulling out of the coalition when it was clear they got played and limited their losses, they propped up the Tories for 5 full years while mewling that they "curbed the worst of the Tory excesses", while the evidence is that they bet everything on PR and either had no leverage to stop Tory cuts after that point or didn't use the leverage they had They've now also totally hosed up the golden opportunity they had to bounce back, by making a timid gesture for a second referendum instead of a full-throated call to Remain and making the case for internationalism in the vein of Macron. I honestly think they will lose seats overall this election and permanently get replaced by Labour as the second party in a lot of the constituencies they've vacated.
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The main wild card now is there's no party that speaks for the significant chunk of the electorate that thinks Europe is, overall, mostly Cool and Good and they supports internationalism and international cooperation and all that other Macron-esque stuff. There's a big hole in British politics that no-one is (yet) trying to fill.
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Jun 7, 2017 10:02
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Just discovered a neat picture that could be used in many different ways:
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josh04 posted:I mean, so's racism but that doesn't automatically mean it's good if you do it. Getting rid of Abbott, for reasons of either illness or chronic incompetence isn't necessarily related to race or racism, but probably more due to illness or chronic incompetence.
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Zephro posted:The main wild card now is there's no party that speaks for the significant chunk of the electorate that thinks Europe is, overall, mostly Cool and Good and they supports internationalism and international cooperation and all that other Macron-esque stuff. There's a big hole in British politics that no-one is (yet) trying to fill. that was the lib dems big plan and look at how its gone
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Junior G-man posted:Getting rid of Abbott, for reasons of either illness or chronic incompetence isn't necessarily related to race or racism, but probably more due to illness or chronic incompetence. I think if they're saying it's illness that'd be an outrageous story to make up, so it's probably that. Just saying that it being a 'vote winner' shouldn't be a good enough reason on its own to start throwing your black female MPs under a bus.
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josh04 posted:I think if they're saying it's illness that'd be an outrageous story to make up, so it's probably that. Just saying that it being a 'vote winner' shouldn't be a good enough reason on its own to start throwing your black female MPs under a bus. MP (singular). Abbott has failed spectacularly in almost every media appearance since being made Shadow Home Secretary and that role, because of the recent attacks is incredibly important for being seen as credible.
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Jun 7, 2017 10:10
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Even your black female MPs have to meet a minimum standard of competency and dianne abbot was visibly struggling to reach it,
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The Prime Minister is visibly struggling to reach it.
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Jun 7, 2017 10:13
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Abbot doesn't impress me one bit, so I'd be glad if Corbyn just replaces her with someone else.
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josh04 posted:The Prime Minister is visibly struggling to reach it. I think Corbyn would like to remove her from her position also. The sexist.
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Lyn Brown once charged into a blind man and his guide dog at portcullis house and then said "for fucks sake get out of my way".
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Jun 7, 2017 10:26
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Aaaagh just thought I'd express my pain and confusion at voting snp and in so doing decided gently caress it I'm voting corbyn not Scotlab and I don't care if Dugdale takes the credit.
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Jun 7, 2017 10:26
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I kind of want the SNP to get all the seats in Scotland, just to deny them to the Tories.
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Jose posted:that was the lib dems big plan and look at how its gone
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Jun 7, 2017 10:31
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One N, two Ts. Thanks all.
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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Jun 7, 2017 10:36
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Shame to see Abbott go in some ways - by all accounts she's a good local MP and backbencher, not everyone is cut out for the spotlight. She's also a socialist and black woman and parliament could use more of both. I won't miss her interviews too much but I hope her health recovers.
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big scary monsters posted:Shame to see Abbott go in some ways - by all accounts she's a good local MP and backbencher, not everyone is cut out for the spotlight. She's also a socialist and black woman and parliament could use more of both. I won't miss her interviews too much but I hope her health recovers. Whose accounts? I know people who've worked with her directly in Hackney and to a person say that she is if anything more inept in person than she's appeared in this campaign. AFAIK the elected mayor of Hackney literally refuses to be in a room with her.
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https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/872069567622807553 And yeah, I hope Diane Abbott's health isn't actually too bad. But at the same time, removing her from Shadow Home Sec is undeniably a good move that should have happened some time ago
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Miftan posted:Like most traditions it has outlived its usefulness and should be destroyed since it's stupid and is actively making things more difficult for a lot of people. Either that or make it a national holiday where nobody works. a national holiday where nobody works would massively reduce turnout on account of there being no public transport, no shops open, etc this is a nonsense suggestion that's only ever brought up by people with cushy 9-5 office jobs who want a day's skive. there's no evidence whatsoever that DNV is driven by a lack of access to the polls in the 21st century UK.
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Zephro posted:The main wild card now is there's no party that speaks for the significant chunk of the electorate that thinks Europe is, overall, mostly Cool and Good and they supports internationalism and international cooperation and all that other Macron-esque stuff. There's a big hole in British politics that no-one is (yet) trying to fill.
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Jose posted:that was the lib dems big plan and look at how its gone That was what everyone assumed the Lib Dems would do, but as per usual they couldn't bear sticking to an actual, principled ideological position and instead meekly triangulated to the middle when it looked like people were getting more used to the idea of Brexit after A50 was triggered, inadvertently killing themselves in the process.
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josh04 posted:I think if they're saying it's illness that'd be an outrageous story to make up, so it's probably that. Just saying that it being a 'vote winner' shouldn't be a good enough reason on its own to start throwing your black female MPs under a bus. I don't care about pronouns or skin colour, Abbot was awful.
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Cerv posted:a national holiday where nobody works would massively reduce turnout on account of there being no public transport, no shops open, etc Or you know, you could just pay workers more on those days and have them vote early or by postal ballot.
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Jun 7, 2017 10:58
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https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/872389880038469633 Ron Paul would be proud
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Arkane posted:https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/872389880038469633 Makes sense, Corbyn is an Arsenal fan.
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MikeCrotch posted:That was what everyone assumed the Lib Dems would do, but as per usual they couldn't bear sticking to an actual, principled ideological position and instead meekly triangulated to the middle when it looked like people were getting more used to the idea of Brexit after A50 was triggered, inadvertently killing themselves in the process.
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kustomkarkommando posted:For the record you can get estimated times each seat will declare here: http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2017_by_time.php Couple of pages back, but why do some constituencies take so long? Berwick-upon-Tweed, Blyth Valley and Wansbeck need to pull their loving finger out. 12pm? Its the drat apocalypse sort it out guys.
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Cerv posted:a national holiday where nobody works would massively reduce turnout on account of there being no public transport, no shops open, etc Oh sorry, I meant more like Sunday times, I guess? Maybe shops open at 10-11 instead? Where all non-essential work is paused but obviously public transport and such are on. That's how it's done in Israel and it seems to work pretty well. Last election turnout was 72.3% though obviously there are other factors. I can see how it would harm the people who need every shift to make ends meet though, so it might not be the best idea. Any reason not to just move it to saturday or Sunday?
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Baron Corbyn posted:An interesting note on Survation's polling. They're the only polling company not to have changed their methodology since the 2015 election which you might think doesn't bode well for Labour. However, their final poll for the 2015 election suggested the Tories would get 37% and Labour would get 31% which they didn't publish because it was so off base compared to everyone else that they though it was wrong. Where did you read this?
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Cerv posted:a national holiday where nobody works would massively reduce turnout on account of there being no public transport, no shops open, etc There's no evidence that it would decrease turnout, but it does appear that weekend voting being adopted doesn't increase turnout within a country. That article has an interesting point about automatic/polling day registration though - i've met a few people who said they now want to vote Labour this election but didn't get round to it for whatever reason and really regret it.
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Mugsbaloney posted:Aaaagh just thought I'd express my pain and confusion at voting snp and in so doing decided gently caress it I'm voting corbyn not Scotlab and I don't care if Dugdale takes the credit. This is what I was talking about when I expressed my worries at Labour splitting the vote in Scotland. Remember: A vote for ScotLab is a vote for Dugdale, not for Corbyn.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Where did you read this? They did a blog post on it after the election: http://survation.com/snatching-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory/ I only saw it this morning myself after reading this article by Nate Silver: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-the-u-k-polls-skewed/
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Jun 7, 2017 11:12
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Cerv posted:a national holiday where nobody works would massively reduce turnout on account of there being no public transport, no shops open, etc Yeah, polls are open for 15 hours and the polling stations are rarely more than a short trip from someone's house apart from in the most rural of locations, and for those who really genuinely can't make it there's postal voting. There are lots of issues with the way we practice democracy in the UK but access to it isn't one.
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