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So it went from Elon saying it won't cost more than a regular roof, to it won't cost more than a regular roof adjusted for the savings to it will cost more than a regular roof, including the savings.
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roof made of solar panels is more expensive than roof made of tar paper, terracotta, sheet metal surprise! Honestly I dunno what the advantage of the tiles was supposed to be, other than aesthetics. Why can't people just put regular solar panels on their roofs like they do now?
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Jun 4, 2017 22:01
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Sagebrush posted:roof made of solar panels is more expensive than roof made of tar paper, terracotta, sheet metal
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Jun 4, 2017 22:07
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Well, he did say it, so there. The point was only aesthetics, perhaps a secondary point was that it would somehow integrate better with existing roofs. I learned a lovely nerdy word trying to poo poo on Apple at some point, skeumorphism. In that case it was an e-book app which was actually praised for having a wooden background with your ebook titles shown as sort-of actual books sitting in sort-of actual bookshelf. Very stupid. Why should a solar roof have to look like a 19th century roof? Having a solar panel shaped like a solar panel has to be cheaper and more effective than hundreds of interlocking, interconnected solar panels shaped like Tuscan terracotta. A smooth, shiny black roof surface will look futuristic as gently caress.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:11
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Sagebrush posted:roof made of solar panels is more expensive than roof made of tar paper, terracotta, sheet metal Because regular solar panels get hosed up by weather  The tesla tiles are made of gorilla glass, and are supposed to be able to survive 30 years of hailstorms. If you run the slider down to 0% solar tiles, it's about $15,500 which is twice the price of a shingled roof here, which lasts at best 10-15 years. Even without the solar aspect, you're coming out ahead if you live somewhere that gets hail storms. They have an "infinite tile warranty" but then list a 30 year weatherization warranty, so i don't know if that means a lifetime warranty against hail damage. If it does, that could be 5 ~$7k shingle roofs in your lifetime in the house. The solar aspect is something that's going to get better and cheaper every year, so if you can wait, it makes sense to.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:15
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I mean we have a little cabin up on the river in Quebec that has a galvanized metal roof that's been on there since 1952 with no maintenance other than sweeping the pine needles out of the gutters twice a year. But i'm sure gorilla glass is good too
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Jun 4, 2017 23:03
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Sick anecdote, bro. Couple more of those and we have a fact.
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Jun 4, 2017 23:25
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Powershift posted:Sick anecdote, bro. Couple more of those and we have a fact. Eh? That's not really in any sort of dispute--take a look at what this home insurer says, and they'd know: State Farm posted:Longevity. Metal roofs can last 40-70 years, depending on the material. Traditional asphalt roofing materials have an estimated life expectancy of roughly 12-20 years. https://www.statefarm.com/simple-insights/smart-ideas/wondering-about-metal-roofs-here-are-the-pros-and-cons
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Jun 4, 2017 23:59
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I think the point is, having your roofing material made out of glass is inherently a bad idea just from a maintenance standpoint. Even if the warranty is honored, you have to deal with the headache of having your roof repaired. You're also invested in an expensive propriety system, while pv panels keep getting better and cheaper. Even now, many (anecdotally, most) pv installations won't pay for themselves within their expected lifetime. Obviously there are exceptions to that, but the point being that switching to a product that costs so much more out of the box doesn't make much economic sense, which imo relegates it to being an expensive gadget.
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Jun 5, 2017 00:06
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What roof only lasts 5 years? I need to get into that industry ASAP.
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Jun 5, 2017 02:35
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:What roof only lasts 5 years? I need to get into that industry ASAP. Tornado and hurricane country. My roof in OKC was less than a decade old and had holes almost 2 feet across punched through by hail during tornadic hailstorms. Sagebrush posted:I mean we have a little cabin up on the river in Quebec that has a galvanized metal roof that's been on there since 1952 with no maintenance other than sweeping the pine needles out of the gutters twice a year. But i'm sure gorilla glass is good too I'm sure the Canadian market is exactly where they're looking to break into first.
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Jun 5, 2017 02:45
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Powershift posted:The tesla tiles are made of gorilla glass, and are supposed to be able to survive 30 years of hailstorms. I'm not saying it's marketing bullshit, but gorilla glass can't even hold up to being attached to a phone and dropped from a height of 2 feet or so. So unless they're talking about those little bb sized hailstones that come from regular thunderstorms, I'm skeptical of that claim. Now I'm picturing some territorial bird pecking its reflection in all the tiles and destroying someone's roof.
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Jun 5, 2017 05:18
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Finger Prince posted:I'm not saying it's marketing bullshit, but gorilla glass can't even hold up to being attached to a phone and dropped from a height of 2 feet or so. So unless they're talking about those little bb sized hailstones that come from regular thunderstorms, I'm skeptical of that claim. Being dropped on the edge, particularly the corner, seems to be a weak spot of gorilla glass. Hits to the "face" on the other hand it's pretty good. That seems like it would be a pretty ideal tradeoff for a roof, shouldn't be much hitting it on the edges.
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Jun 5, 2017 05:42
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It's not Gorilla Glass.
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Jun 5, 2017 06:17
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Why not just make a metal solar panel?
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Elephanthead posted:Why not just make a metal solar panel? My wonderful parking spot neighbor managed to drive straight into my model S' rear door over the weekend. There is some crumpled but still intact aluminum, handsome paint transfer from his car to mine on the rim*. Now for the fun part, he disappeared after doing this. Haven't seen his car since. My only saving grace is that he lives in a high end condo high-rise with me, I have his information, and one of the staff who likes me happens to know where his law office is, and went and took pictures of his badly damaged bumper with white paint transfer. I have left a voicemail for him that hasn't been returned, anyone know the next step? I will update with repair costs. The Sicilian fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Jun 7, 2017 05:21
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The Sicilian posted:I have left a voicemail for him that hasn't been returned, anyone know the next step? I will update with repair costs. Report it to your insurance company, they employ lawyers of their own to make people pay.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:24
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duz posted:Report it to your insurance company, they employ lawyers of their own to make people pay. My rates will not raise? The building has threatened him with fines until he contacts me. I am willing to wait 1-2 more business days.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:54
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The Sicilian posted:My rates will not raise? The building has threatened him with fines until he contacts me. I am willing to wait 1-2 more business days. If they are able to recoup all of their losses from the other driver's insurance, then theoretically no. Insurance companies do what insurance companies do. You'll also be out your deductible until they can get the other insurance to take responsibility.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:57
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So is that not considered a hit and run because it was on private property? Or maybe something like vandalism?
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Jun 7, 2017 14:37
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The Sicilian posted:My rates will not raise? The building has threatened him with fines until he contacts me. I am willing to wait 1-2 more business days. As Goober Peas said, it shouldn't, but you never know what insurance companies will do. If your complex is taking care of motivating him, then wait for that before contacting insurance.
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Jun 7, 2017 14:41
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Phuzun posted:So is that not considered a hit and run because it was on private property? Or maybe something like vandalism? It's absolutely a crime of some sort. My first call would've been police non-emergency, second insurance. If the neighbor wasn't proactive about making me whole, I don't feel any need to protect them from the system that will make me whole.
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Jun 7, 2017 16:11
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Cocoa Crispies posted:It's absolutely a crime of some sort. My first call would've been police non-emergency, second insurance. If the neighbor wasn't proactive about making me whole, I don't feel any need to protect them from the system that will make me whole. I was going to be nice to the guy; and get a savage rear door panel off of eBay for $300-$500, have it painted and installed. Keep the cost as low as possible and make me whole again. Now the entire car is going to Tesla and will be replaced at full price through his insurance. Giving it one more day. Also LAPD non emergency wouldn't come out.
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Jun 7, 2017 17:36
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Model Y teaser. https://electrek.co/2017/06/06/tesla-model-y-teaser/
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Jun 7, 2017 19:23
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Ola posted:Model Y teaser. That's probably going to be good for another couple points on the stock, but geez... can you please start actually producing things in volume Mr. Musk?
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Jun 7, 2017 19:31
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He's learned that in this day and age, hype is 75% of success... Maybe more. Seriously though, could they maybe show off a whole concept model? They are essentially just confirming a Model Y will have a roof and hood per that image. Like poo poo, couldn't imagine it would lack either of those things.
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Jun 7, 2017 21:16
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That's all there is. Model 3 was new from the bottom up, this is top-down design.
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Jun 7, 2017 22:08
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Phuzun posted:He's learned that in this day and age, hype is 75% of success... Maybe more. Everyone does this though. Aston teasing nothing more than a silk sheet over a car shaped thing, Jaguar teasing just the roof line profile with the F-type, Viper with the headlights. It's basic marketing.
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Finger Prince posted:Everyone does this though. Aston teasing nothing more than a silk sheet over a car shaped thing, Jaguar teasing just the roof line profile with the F-type, Viper with the headlights. It's basic marketing. And at the extreme end, Dodge doing it for months on end with the Demon, to the point that I actually got bored with it before the unveil.
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Jun 7, 2017 23:18
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The Model Y is supposed to be a small crossover, right?
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Sagebrush posted:The Model Y is supposed to be a small crossover, right? Yes. By the way, it was supposed to be based on the Model 3 platform, but apparently they've changed their mind after Model X experiences. Probably a good thing. A fossil drivetrain in a unibody is pretty complex and worth platform engineering, but the electric skateboard, while not quite a frame car, is probably a bit different. They'll obviously have the same battery supplier and I guess will reuse a lot of parts, software etc. The kind of stuff we associate with the term "platform engineering" anyway. But there isn't room at the Gigafactory to make the Y, so they'll have to build a new plant somewhere else. So an official unveil is probably many years away still.
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Jun 8, 2017 09:45
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When is the Model 3 realistically going to start shipping, by the way?
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Jun 8, 2017 11:43
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bolind posted:When is the Model 3 realistically going to start shipping, by the way? Well given they are building pre-production and production ready testers down the line right now with a bunch of production ready testers on the road right now, the July guesstamate is looking fairly good.
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You can only select color and wheels on the first Model 3s, Tesla is keeping the complexity down. Good for them. https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/tesla-model-3-you-can-only-select-colour-and-wheels But I thought this bit was very interesting about the 4WD: quote:So, early Model 3 configurations will be simple, and as soon as this first version is worked out, Musk will work on rolling out other versions. The idea to kick off with a dual motor version has also been canned. “We thought we’d just doubled the probability of something going wrong, because they’re two different motor architectures.
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Jun 8, 2017 14:17
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Ola posted:You can only select color and wheels on the first Model 3s, Tesla is keeping the complexity down. Good for them.
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Jun 8, 2017 14:39
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ilkhan posted:Same as they are on the model S. Has to do with shaft speeds, afaik. Oh, I didn't know that, I thought they were the same back to front on the non-P models. Perhaps same motor, different diff?
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Ola posted:Oh, I didn't know that, I thought they were the same back to front on the non-P models. Perhaps same motor, different diff?
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While electric motors have a much flatter torque curve and wider "power band" than a combustion engine, you can still optimize the design for different duties. I could believe that there's a not-insignificant improvement in efficiency by designing one motor for low-speed, high-torque usage (around town) and the other for high-speed, low-torque situations (cruising).
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Jun 8, 2017 19:39
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The biggest news is the model Y switching to a 48V system. This significantly cuts down on wiring.
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Anyone know about any realistic reports for electric pickup trucks or other "haul poo poo around" vehicles? I know about the Workhorse plugin hybrid which I'm hoping will be sold to consumers. But its primary market is fleets.
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