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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Having a strong BATNA makes interviewing for a job a lot more fun! Thanks for everyone's insight! It really makes all the difference in the world, and makes someone come off a lot more confident and honest as well. I've done the same thing with random opportunistic interviews. Make it very clear up front that I am not actively looking for a new job, but to effectively have them try to sell me on it. It's a very different and enjoyable power dynamic when you've got nothing at stake and you are interviewing the company more than they are interviewing you.
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JESUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRISTThe New York Times posted:A third government official briefed on the meeting defended the president, saying Mr. Trump was using a negotiating tactic when he told Mr. Lavrov about the “pressure” he was under. The idea, the official suggested, was to create a sense of obligation with Russian officials and to coax concessions out of Mr. Lavrov — on Syria, Ukraine and other issues — by saying that Russian meddling in last year’s election had created enormous political problems for Mr. Trump.
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shame on an IGA posted:JESUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST No, no, that's not quite right. Cause of. That's what it is. They're known for being the cause of pressures in American politics. "You mugged me last year, so you definitely owe me some favors when you're trying to steal from me now." Hoodwinker fucked around with this message at 21:14 on May 19, 2017 |
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murked by dragon posted:Most public sector jobs are on pay schedules where your salary increases annually up to a certain point. You've got one opportunity to negotiate when you're first hired, but you'll likely only be able to negotiate within a defined pay range for your job class. This incredibly important and is something I only realized after the fact and then felt bad about. Once you're in at your scale you're locked - there's no jumping the line or moving forward faster than anyone else unless you leave to another agency in the public sector.
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Hi, I hope this is the right place for this. I'm going to ask for a raise but my situation is kind of unique. I've worked part time (average 15hrs/week) as independent contractor for a small photography company for over a year. I was hired at $25/hour, which I still make. The owner and his wife run the business; I am their only in-office employee. The only other people we employ are photographers, who work out of state and receive a set amount for each shoot they complete. The owner and his wife are upper middle class-they own a lovely home, she works in publishing as her main job, and they just bought a second house just to rent on AirBnB. I think this is morally rather lovely-my city struggles with housing issues, but they pay me...Either way, they are very well-off. My boss, "Tim," is starting a second company at the moment, which I am slightly assisting with. My duties are: -Photoshopping all projects. This is a significant amount of my time. I go from a set of photos to a finished photo, coordinating with photographers, escorts, etc along the way. -Project management. While Tim handles some of it, I take a lot of the grunt work, adjusting calendars, contacting photographers/escorts/etc. In the summer, I am the designated "project coordinator" for our biggest single client. This means I work often on my "days off," am tied to my phone, and often sacrifice the only day I have off with my partner, who works a lot herself-there are days I don't see her at all, so these days are precious for us. -Photoshoots. I will probably do about 10 this year. I am paid per shoot at ~$200 rather than hourly, which includes gas and tolls. They pay for hotels. Most of my shoots this year fall on these precious days off for my partner and I. She can join, but gets carsick, so tagging along means a long drive for her. - House stuff. When we are in the slow season, I help Tim around his house. I have changed doorknobs, mowed lawns, driven with him to a city 3 hours away to pick up a playset he bought on Craigslist, helped build a bench, cleaned his garage multiple times, lent my car so he can pick up his daughter, watered plants when they are on vacation, typed and sorted personal legal documents, it goes on. I am extremely happy that he utilizes me in the slow months, as this has made me somewhat indispensable, and cover the gaps in my paycheck. Well, a year has passed now. I am much better at my job then when I was first hired. Tim and I get on very well, and have a good relationship, to the point of going out for dinner to use a Groupon he had. I basically do as he asks me and am proud of my improvement. I really don't know how he would manage without me if something happened, there is literally no one else that is qualified to pick up what I am doing...so now is the time, as our spring clients close out and summer rolls in, to ask for a raise. What I am wondering is: what do I ask for? What is too much or not enough? I can't say I know their specific monetary situation, but they go on vacation FREQUENTLY. Tim once went to Brussels (we are in New England) for like....a 4 day weekend, and they have been on 2 week-long vacations in the past 2 months. Cost of living in this part of the state we live in is quite affordable. But I have never been an independent contractor before, and don't know if that changes the 'rules' or not. If this isn't the right place, please send me in the right direction! This job is half my income and I recently decided to start taking 2 days off a week, after working 6 for years. The day off I took is at my other job, I was just loving exhausted-my other job is very physical. However, between my two jobs I am still struggling to build up my savings. Thanks in advance!
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Are you an independent contractor (ie, your tax document is a 1099, you pay self-employment taxes, etc) or an employee (ie, your tax document is a W2)? I'm not quite sure how to classify what you do. Being able to classify what you do is important because that gives you a basis of comparison with other people. You said that a significant amount of time is spent using Photoshop, so I'm going to suggest that what you do could be called graphic design. If you're truly an independent contractor, look up what other freelance graphic designers in your area are charging their clients, or look at the national average and adjust for your locale. Use that data to support your argument that you deserve more money, given your skill and experience. If you're an hourly employee, then you might want to take the same approach to get a sense of the market for what you do, but realize that you won't be able to ask as much because in a W2 arrangement, your employer is covering employer-side taxes, benefits, etc, which you'd be covering yourself as a contractor. In terms of negotiating tactics, that's going to depend on things like what alternatives you have if your employer refuses to negotiate. (This thread calls this concept BATNA, Best Alternative To Negotiated Agreement.)
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porkswordonboard posted:Hi, I hope this is the right place for this. I'm going to ask for a raise but my situation is kind of unique. Sounds like you're 1099. Consequently you will do well to think of your primary customer as your primary customer, not as your boss. It's important to keep your customer happy, and it's also important to keep you happy. As it turns out you have a lot of knobs that FTEs do not, but you need to think about them and use them intelligently: - You can start having other customers who receive the same services your primary customer does. When you do this, your primary customer gets to dictate less of your relationship, and you get to dictate more of it. - You can start tweaking lots of variables that salaried employment generally treats as fixed: hours worked, what you will do and what you won't do, what services you provide and which you do not - You CAN ask for a rate hike and try to present a compelling case about what your value is. This needs to be focused on you and what you do and how valuable it is. It needs to not focus on your primary customer, and their vacations, and how much money your primary customer makes. - Alternatively you can inform your primary customer that your rates are going up, and they can either accept the new rates or cease doing business with you. This is going to be where the other customers become valuable. This is one place where you really are well suited to mentally and materially being able to walk away, and that will be easiest by having one or more other paying customers who also understand the value you bring and want to have it in their professional work. As 1099 it's valuable to think about your goals with your work. From doing some limited amount myself and having worked closely with several 1099 paid colleagues, they are: - Dollars per annum - Free time - Stability & predictability You can think of them existing in a triangle and each one pulling against the others. If you price yourself inexpensively and work lots of hours every year, you can predictably make a lot of money every year, so long as your talents are still in demand. You will be working lots of hours and won't have much free time though. If you price yourself expensively, many clients will pass on you, some will only hire you when they feel they really need you, and your cash flow will be less predictable, but you'll need fewer hours worked to bring in the same money. Right now you can spend your Free Time dimension, and get both an increase in income AND in stability by having more than one customer for your talents.
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I've got a job offer and want to negotiate. How should I phrase "give me more money" in a professional manner? I was thinking of going with "I've reviewed the offer and I'd feel more comfortable at $X." But maybe that sounds too soft. Sorry if it's a dumb question but I've never negotiated salary before. Also, should I do it through email or over the phone?
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Well I got a job offer for a great company, with a company car (which I don't have now), and a $8k raise. When I had my first phone interview, the HR guy I've been dealing with ask how much I was looking to make. I told him a number that is $18k higher than I make now. 1) because I have tons of experience 2) because it's a district position with more responsibility and more travel. He told me I was right in the ballpark for the position and asked if they came in at (a number which is $5k less than I asked for), would I still be interested? I told him I would be open to talking about it if that was the case. So, now they've offered me $5k less than that, which is $10k less than what I asked. He really tried to sell it to me with the benefits and the company car. He wanted me to say yes to the amount while we were on the phone, but I told him I needed to look everything over first. He then told me that the position is budgeted for a max of what he offered me based on location (I'm in Boston, so I don't understand how it's $5k less than what he'd asked if I'd accept at first), etc. He tried to sell it to me hard. I again told him I'd like to take a look at the offer first if he doesn't mind and he had no problem with that. This is a really good company to work for, so I'm terrified if I try to negotiate I'll negotiate myself out of the position. What do you think? I'm super nervous.
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If they pull the offer because you negotiated, you don't actually want to work there.
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It is irrelevant to you how much they budgeted for the position. That excuse is the corporate equivalent of "I have 7 mouths to feed!"
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Good call. I suppose I will try to negotiate.
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Hello thread, I need advice. It's time for the annual "salary adjustment" in my company. It's the first time for me, as I've only been here a little over a year and it's the first time I'm eligible. At it's core, the adjustment is a decree. I'm not entirely sure how the pot of gold is divided and who does it, but at the end of the day, you're presented with a number, and while you can bitch and moan, 90+% of the time that'll get you nowhere. Now, I had my monthly meeting with my manager the other day, and the topic came up. The conversation went something like this: Boss: "So what's your expectations?" Me: (Oh crap what do I say now, better aim high!) "Well, I'm super good and have the skills for the role, got up to speed quickly, few sick days etc. When I was hired a little over a year ago, the company ate my salary demand in the first try, so it obviously wasn't completely unswallowable. I expect 5-10%." Boss: "Well... it's lower than that." Me: "...OK." It seems to me that he's in no position to actually influence my number, so why the gently caress would he bother to ask for my expectations? He caught me by surprise, but thinking it over I actually find it a bit of a dick move. In effect, he forced me to show my hand while knowing that it mattered absolutely fuckall in the end. I would love any input on this. For the record, while I think a 3-5% raise would be fair in my situation, I should also state that I'm well compensated and that I really like the position/tasks/people/location, so in a sense I have a piss poor BATNA.
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It's probably 2.5% COLA as opposed to an actual merit increase.
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bolind posted:Hello thread, I need advice. It's time for the annual "salary adjustment" in my company. It's the first time for me, as I've only been here a little over a year and it's the first time I'm eligible. Why do you think that 3% is fair? It's basically enough to cover inflation and not much else. You haven't developed any new skills, gotten materially better at your job, or gone above & beyond at any point in the previous year? If you're irritated that they aren't giving you as much of a raise as you think you deserve, that's a fine thing to feel. Start interviewing elsewhere.
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No Butt Stuff posted:It's probably 2.5% COLA as opposed to an actual merit increase. We have very little inflation in my locale currently - about 1%. fantastic in plastic posted:Why do you think that 3% is fair? It's basically enough to cover inflation and not much else. You haven't developed any new skills, gotten materially better at your job, or gone above & beyond at any point in the previous year? Again, very low inflation. I have developed new skills. I have created things that no one else had thought of before, I have become either the authority or matched the previous authority in a number of areas, and while I haven't put in a string of 100-hour weeks, I have frequently stayed around to make sure we met goals when things were busy. I'm not so much irritated that I'm not given a certain percentage raise. My entire career (~10 years) has been very low raises broken up by huge leaps after getting a new job. I'm mainly irritated and puzzled that my boss would go about things like he did.
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Started negotiations and the HR rep seems very receptive. I asked for $5k more than they offered and explained why. He came back saying he'll make every effort to push toward an offer closer to what I'm asking for. We'll see! Seems like a good sign that he emailed me back at 9:30 last night.
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bolind posted:We have very little inflation in my locale currently - about 1%. He's trying to set expectations though his way of communicating it was pretty bad. Advice here is going to have to be company specific. I'd say in general your raise is tied to your performance review and there is probably very little leeway for your manager without pulling the money from someone else on the team. Also based on the conversation snippet it sounds like he already knows what you're going to get.
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If you're in a big corporate environment then your direct manager probably has very little leverage in what your raise is prima facie. Basically, he can't actually dictate his personnel budget and might not even be able to have full discretion in how the budget is allotted. Consequently, he probably was not astutely negotiating and trying to get you to splurge out a ceiling, but instead was trying to figure out if the thing he can give you is gonna be good enough, and if he's gonna have to chew some glass to keep you around. It's hard to tell, and it doesn't sound like you're close enough with your manager to know one way from the other. But it might be that having a good offer in hand (say of 5-10%) can result in matching IF: - Your present employer is a big corporate. - Your present manager does want to keep you around. You can feel out more of this after you get the actual raise number. - You use the counter offer to leverage the raise in the way that inflicts the least pain on your direct manager. That means you give him a lot of time to respond and set up the counter offer. IF you pursue that strategy, you might get to a deadline point with the first offer and not have gotten an acceptable counter. If you don't leave at this point, you've shown your current employer how much they have to lose by not negotiating with you (it's nothing. They lose nothing.)
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Just wanted to say thanks to Dwight Eisenhower and fantastic in plastic for your assistance. I'm putting the raise talk on hold because I hosed something up (wasn't necessarily my fault, really, but I took the heat for it) so I'm going to put it off for a few months. I will address a few things that were mentioned in your posts, though. Dwight, yes, I am a 1099. The problem with looking for other customers is that I neither own nor have the ability to have the software necessary to have other clients-all the programs I use are at the office. Additionally, I have a rather limited skill set. I am trained to perform my current position, but would have difficulties adapting that elsewhere without further training. Additionally, my partner works very long hours so I take care of the brunt of household upkeep, and am not interested in picking up another job at the moment. Great information though! I will keep it in mind. fantastic in plastic, I agree, I have a really weird and undefinable job. The best way I can think of describing it is "Personal Assistant" (doing fix-it work at Boss's house, etc) paired with "Office Bitch." The basic fact is that I do whatever my boss wants me to do, from graphic design to project coordination to mowing a lawn. Something I can use as leverage: my other job (Assistant Manager at a specialty pet store, very small) is looking to expand to a second location, but this is VERY nebulous. Nonetheless, my boss mentioned that if I were ever interested, he would like to make me the manager of one or another location. He would not be able to pay me a salary that would equal what I make now, but Tim (other boss) does not know this, and does not know what I make at the pet store other than it being a lesser hourly wage. I could float the possibility of leaving to work full time at the pet store, which is advantageous. I know for a fact that Tim would have a very hard time finding someone with my open schedule and incredibly positive attitude (he can be kind of a dick and others might not be able to handle it), and training someone would take a long time (he is terrible at explaining things, my photographers are clear on this), not to mention that he couldn't be sure if they were up to the odd jobs I do. It would severely hobble him were I to leave. I literally watered his plants and fed his fish on vacation (I was paid), and have gone above and beyond countless times. I wouldn't call us "friends" of course, but we've spent a hell of a lot of time together and I know he enjoys my company. I know this doesn't make me indispensable, but it puts me in very good standing. Thank so much for your input, and if anyone has anything else to add, I'd really appreciate it!
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Dwight Eisenhower posted:If you're in a big corporate environment then your direct manager probably has very little leverage in what your raise is prima facie. I fully agree with this assessment. Dwight Eisenhower posted:
Fully agree, again, and thank you for your comments. I'm not very close with my manager. He's only been here for a few months, and we don't enjoy good chemistry. The honest truth is that I would still stick around with a 0% raise, but of course I don't have to let management know this. What I'm mainly concerned with is if this sets the precedent for a number of years with COLA-at-best adjustments. I'll await the actual number, maybe snoop around a bit and see where I'm at compared to my peers, maybe object a little bit, and take it from there.
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I hate posting any advice here because I feel so underqualified but it doesn't seem to me like taking a COLA adjustment this year stops you from negotiating next year. Seems like we usually talk about 1 time events. I would be curious what the pros think about this stuff when it's multiple "rounds" like a yearly adjustment conversations at the same place. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Definitely not a pro, and each company is going to be different but my most recent two employers used a rating system (9 block) to rate all of the employees and compare them within their functional group. Management sets out a specific pool of money every year to be distributed among the functional groups. Your rating relative to your peers is supposed to determine how big a slice of the raise pool you get for merit based pay raises. There's usually a minimum rase for everyone to account for inflation (but sometimes that minimum might be $0). In addition to the merit based pay raise, you can also get promoted to higher titles which usually results in a more significant pay increase. I attack year end reviews in two ways. One, kick as much rear end at my job as I can so I get a good 9 block rating. Ask what I can do to get a better 9 block if I didn't get the highest grade. Typically this is based on reaching/exceeding my annual goals. Once you've been rated for the year there's not much you can do to adjust your merit based increase. I also review the published corporate promotional ladder for typical requirements for promotion. At this years review I specifically told my boss that my primary career goal for the year was to get promoted and here's why I am ready. I don't see annual raises as a one time negotiation every year but more of a continual process with inputs throughout the year which ultimately determine your annual pay increase.
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Xguard86 posted:I hate posting any advice here because I feel so underqualified but it doesn't seem to me like taking a COLA adjustment this year stops you from negotiating next year. And then talk about it on the internet.
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If I get 2 consecutive COLA-only pay raises for no good reason I'm gonna start looking for another job. I'm not going to let my income suffer because of some arbitrary judgments from someone who most likely can't tell whether I'm doing my job properly or not. Maybe I've become a cynic because I've encountered too many lovely managers. When it happens the first time I will tell my manager I'm not happy and will remind him about the goals I achieved and the revenue I bring in. If that doesn't change anything I'll contemplate on pushing it or going 1 management level up if I feel I that can help me. I hate being treated unfairly so depending on how well I enjoy the job and how good the market is I might start looking already. That said I hate big companies performance structures. They are hardly ever useful to the company and often are only meant to make your manager look good. That's why I enjoy consulting a lot more these days. As long as I deliver to customers my boss doesn't give a poo poo about what I do. That and my salary is a % of the revenue I bring in. So working more is actually beneficial to me and not just to the company.
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Does anyone have any advice for negotiation in the public sectors? I feel like negotiating is possible, but it needs to take a very different approach than what you'd do in the private sector.
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I'm hoping to bump this thread a bit: I just got 2 job offers! I like both companies and would be okay working with both. Offer A: lower pay, sweet office, job seems manageable, unsure about growth, 2 weeks vacation + sick leave Offer B: higher pay, office seems pretty meh though, job seems challenging (in other words, I have a slight feeling I might fail), seems to have higher growth potential, 3 weeks PTO (no sick leave) Location, retirement and medical plans are about the same. I'm going to try and negotiate with A to see if I can get to a much more manageable level. If pay was equal, A would be my choice. But right now, B is my choice considering pay and growth. Company A pays less than what I was making at my last job, whereas B starts me off with more than what I was making. Job A is an inventory analyst, whereas B is a sourcing analyst. Is it a good idea to pit them against each other? Meaning, saying "hey, I have an offer from another company that pays higher..." type deal, obviously I wouldn't be dumb and name companies or anything like that. I'm not sure I can get more money out of B, but it could be worth a shot.
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Think of it in the sense of "I'd really like to work for you, but as it stands right now the compensation offered is not enough for me to come aboard. If the salary could be increased to $X [or $X+Y if you don't mind negotiating here] then I'm in."
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Don't let fear of failure and office perks trick you into taking an offer for less pay and less vacation. Room for growth is murkier to me because staying at a single company for too long is generally gonna hamper your growth either way, even for companies on the right side of the "internal promotions" bell curve. I assume you're talking about amenities when you say how good the office is but you're a little vague - if you think the culture of the latter place is toxic or something, that's valuable info. Be wary of salesmanship - office A seeming abstractly better is likely partially based on how good their sales pitch was. I think it'd help if you said what you meant by that. Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Don't let fear of failure and office perks trick you into taking an offer for less pay and less vacation. Room for growth is murkier to me because staying at a single company for too long is generally gonna hamper your growth either way, even for companies on the right side of the "internal promotions" bell curve. Yeah, I was probably feeling a bit of Imposter's syndrome for job B. And yeah, I was thinking more amenities for office A (free food, nicer office space in general, etc). In terms of culture, I couldn't think of anything that jumped out at either company as a cultural red flag during my interviews there, unlike the job I turned down last week because of some major issues I saw with the culture. I did respond back to A saying that the money wasn't enough given the circumstances and asked for a higher amount. Waiting for a response.
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seiferguy posted:Yeah, I was probably feeling a bit of Imposter's syndrome for job B. And yeah, I was thinking more amenities for office A (free food, nicer office space in general, etc). In terms of culture, I couldn't think of anything that jumped out at either company as a cultural red flag during my interviews there, unlike the job I turned down last week because of some major issues I saw with the culture. Did you give A a measurable and achievable goal? If you didn't, don't go following up now with one, just keep it in mind for future negotiations.
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Dwight Eisenhower posted:Did you give A a measurable and achievable goal? Yeah, I did. They countered with a minor bump from the previous one, and called it their final offer. So it seems pretty clear they aren't as interested in me as I thought.
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Follow up: called company B asking for a bump, gave a specific number expecting them to meet me halfway (a number I was totally fine with). They called back, and did exactly that. I told them I would accept. Successfully negotiating for a higher salary is a great feeling 
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Does anyone have experience negotiating a package deal with you and your spouse with a potential employer? I know a few people that have done it. Basically, I'm in a very desirable career, with several head hunters/recruiters contacting me weekly. My wife is in the same business (clinical research) but she works in MIS, on the IT side of it, doing data management, working on the systems that these companies that are contacting me use. I have one recruiter that's been pursuing me for a year and I'd like to suggest that maybe I'd be more interested if she'd be offered one of the many jobs they have listed that she's qualified for. Has anyone done this before? Any recommendations, specifically, I'd like to know when to bring it up.
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Cacafuego posted:Does anyone have experience negotiating a package deal with you and your spouse with a potential employer? I know a few people that have done it. Yeah, we did - my wife is a neonatologist and I'm an anesthesiologist and whenever I spoke with a physician recruiter or hospital system person I mentioned that we'd need to be hired on as a pair. Weirdly, it narrows the list of positions, but it seemed to make the seriousness of the offer - and the lengths these places would go - a lot more high stakes because they know they're getting two desirable candidates who are going to have a much tighter avidity to whatever position they end up filling. Like, if you're a single person (or spouse doesn't work) it becomes a lot easier to jump ship, where they feel like if they can land you they can rely on you for a while. We were very open about this from the very get-go, and it meant the offers we entertained were very serious from early in the process because the hiring individuals went out of their way to identify that we'd be a good double fit.
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Follow up to my posts a few months months ago. I managed to negotiate up to the top of the range for my position. Still doing way more than my job description, so I'm not happy with the pay rate, but I'm happy with the benefits and it's still another $500 per month. I'll see if I get a raise and bonus that make me happy this winter, and if not I'll start looking elsewhere. It will be nice being able to flat out refuse contracts.
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At my current employer there are 4 tiers in my current position. 1, 2, Sr 1 and Sr 2. I've been talking to a recruiter for a competitor for the same basic job. They only have 3 tiers - 1, 2 and Senior. I didn't give them my current salary, but my employer is known for paying the lowest in the business as we take on less experienced people and train them. Their bonuses are approximately the same. I'm a level 2 currently and the prospective employer told me their level 1 starts about 20k more than I started at as a 1. Their level 1 is still about 5-10k more than my current salary as a level 2 and their level 2 maxes at about 35k more than I'm making now. I'm not sure if I want to pursue this new job, if it is offered, but if they do offer a job, I'd like to ask my current employer for more $ based on a strong work history with many successes. Would it make sense to ask my current employer to match my level 2 pay to the competitor's level 2 pay even if the tiers don't match? The one thing I'm not sure about is that I may (of course, not guaranteed) be promoted to Sr 1 at my current job in November or April. This would most likely bring me in line with the level 2 pay at the competitor, but if I ask for a competing pay increase now from my current job and I was promoted, I assume I'd get a lower raise for the promotion. If that happens, should I then ask for more $ for the raise at promotion time, or leave it as it is?
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Jul 5, 2017 23:06
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Apply for a senior level position now. Explain that you've been doing senior level work, with examples, and you're up for promotion this winter. If you get it, don't worry about renegotiating at your current place, that's your fear of change talking, just take the new one. Being branded as disloyal is not likely to earn you a significant internal promotion or raise, and frankly, it's unlikely regardless of that.
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Jul 5, 2017 23:49
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Looking for a bit of advice. I currently work as a contractor through a company as a salaried FTE, and my client wants to hire me to work for them directly. He asked me for a number that'd make me switch and I told him (went with what I'd seen recommended earlier in the thread: my hourly rate x 100, which would be 40% more than what I make now). He didn't balk at all and said he could work with that, but he has to discuss with the CFO. So my question is, how do I handle this if he does come through with an offer I'm interested in? Do I just call my current employer and give 2 weeks? Do I give them a chance to counter? This all is somewhat complicated by 2 other aspects: 1) There's a non-compete in both my contract and the client's, which they'll have to buy out with my employer. So nothing's actually final until that's complete. 2) This is already the 2nd round of this. Earlier this year the client hit me with a number that was much lower and I told them I wanted to think about it and didn't really want to make big life changes until after I got married last month. They were very understanding. But I did end up telling my employer about the offer, and they gave me a raise to match. I don't particularly want to burn any bridges on either side, but I also don't really care if either one ends up being reasonably grumpy with me. If a counter would make the deal fall through and sour my relationship with the client I'd be fine getting dumped and moving on to another project (I've been there for 3 years straight already). And if my current employer ends up unhappy, I've given them 10 years, most of which at below market salary (until this whole thing started I've never really negotiated much, and it's still my first job out of college).
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Jul 9, 2017 22:39
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In general, counteroffers are risky. They might be offering you one because they value your skill set and look forward to many years of working together, sure. They might also be offering you because you leaving right now would impact their bottom line and they want to manage you out of the organization on their terms rather than on yours. It's impossible to know for sure, so there's risk and I think the thread consensus is not to accept a counteroffer without a lot of good reasons. The non-compete clause makes "how to do it" too complicated for general advice. You might want to talk to a lawyer.
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Jul 9, 2017 23:58
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