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Shear Modulus posted:how hard is it to say "yeah this is really bad but i still have a net positive view of the clintons" why would you have a positive view of slave holders
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Shear Modulus posted:how hard is it to say "yeah this is really bad but i still have a net positive view of the clintons" Very, as you'd then have to justify the latter half of the sentence.
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Jun 7, 2017 18:54
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Shear Modulus posted:how hard is it to say "yeah this is really bad but i still have a net positive view of the clintons" Apparently really hard, becaues a bunch of them really obviously wanted to say that but know how bad it looked and had to pretzel-brain to preserve their self-proclaimed status of Adult In The Room see: "I'm not gonna defend this, but *spends hours defending it*" "Clinton supporters aren't some kind of weird cult that has to defend every little thing she does, but *spends hours defending it*"
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Jun 7, 2017 18:55
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im just glad people can never bring Clinton up again at this point "Actually Hillary was goin t-" "Slavery" "But I mean Clinto-" "Slavery." "You know what fu-" "Slavery."  I mean suck zone has a good way of ruining things because of your overzealous nature and beating the same argument over and over since the primaries without much in the way of OC so take this one in stride if you can namaste~
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Jun 7, 2017 18:57
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I mean, I can say, "While they are in no way admirable, in terms of the alternatives it was probably at least a little better than not that Bill won his two elections, and for all her many faults Hillary wouldn't be destroying American government and society like our current tantrum-prone Hutt of a president is doing," but that is damnably faint praise.
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That would mean admitting Queen Abuela is imperfect. But really the underlying problem is that liberals don't think there's anything wrong with the prison labor complex.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I mean, I can say, "While they are in no way admirable, in terms of the alternatives it was probably at least a little better than not that Bill won his two elections, and for all her many faults Hillary wouldn't be destroying American government and society like our current tantrum-prone Hutt of a president is doing," but that is damnably faint praise. and even then, trump is doing more damage to the republicans and old timey washington institutions and even poo poo like the GOP fundraising machine than any idealistic progressive ever could through regular channels
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Jun 7, 2017 19:02
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guys i figured out why neoliberals are defending this hillary clinton used systematic slavery, which she probably found unjust, to her own benefit just like hamliton
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Jun 7, 2017 19:03
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Shear Modulus posted:i too liked ghost in the shell i didnt see the live action movie they made this year and dont really plan to but i read an interesting take where the controversial plot element of scarlett johansen being a white japanese person via her playing a japanese person's mind implanted in an ethnically-white cyborg body was an updating of the gender-fluidity in the original (where motoko and her big buff partner invert gender roles by her being the macho badass and the big buff guy being a tender caretaker, and the villain being a male consciousness in a female body, and in the end after she fuses with the villain her body is a porcelain doll devoid of sexual characteristics, etc) because since the original came out, gender-fluidity and gender-nonbinarity have became non-controversial in much of the mainstream but "racial fluidity" or whatever is of course not Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 19:06 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Jun 7, 2017 19:04
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anime was right posted:guys i figured out why neoliberals are defending this 
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Shear Modulus posted:i didnt see the live action movie they made this year and dont really plan to but i read an interesting take where the controversial plot element of scarlett johansen being a white japanese person via her playing a japanese person's mind implanted in an ethnically-white cyborg body was an updating of the gender-fluidity in the original (where motoko and her big buff partner invert gender roles by her being the macho badass and the big buff guy being a tender caretaker, and the villain being a male consciousness in a female body, and in the end after she fuses with the villain her body is a porcelain doll devoid of sexual characteristics, etc) because since the original came out, gender-fluidity and gender-nonbinarity havr became non-controversial in the mainstream but "racial fluidity" or whatever is of course not that sounds like a labyrinthine way of justifying that they wanted to hire a famous white person because they thought it would make them more money
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Jun 7, 2017 19:06
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Al! posted:that sounds like a labyrinthine way of justifying that they wanted to hire a famous white person because they thought it would make them more money yeah which is why i didnt put a whole lot of stock in the take but its at least slightly interesting
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bernie sanders is an extradimensional being tasked with the sisyphean ordeal that is repairing hosed timelinesanime was right posted:guys i figured out why neoliberals are defending this 
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Jun 7, 2017 19:08
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:bernie sanders 
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mormonpartyboat posted:and even then, trump is doing more damage to the republicans and old timey washington institutions and even poo poo like the GOP fundraising machine than any idealistic progressive ever could through regular channels Trump's biggest accomplishment might be the destruction of the Reagan demigod cult; the GOP is no longer the party of Reagan, Trump is it's new lord and master.
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Jun 7, 2017 19:09
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loquacius posted:Apparently really hard, becaues a bunch of them really obviously wanted to say that but know how bad it looked and had to pretzel-brain to preserve their self-proclaimed status of Adult In The Room they're not even defending basic prison labor which would be one thing, they're defending an even more barbaric system that was struck down almost a decade before the clintons lived in the governor's mansion
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Jun 7, 2017 19:11
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the thing that burns me about this argument is the "voluntarily". it's loving libertarian levels of voluntary, where we ignore everything that pushes a person towards the "voluntary" choice instead of any other choice (for example: prisons putting prisoners who don't work in solitary confinement) it speaks volumes about what they think civil rights should look like: "well, black people voluntarily choose not to come into my neighborhood! sure the cops shoot them whenever they try, but it was their option!!"
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:bernie sanders is an extradimensional being tasked with the sisyphean ordeal that is repairing hosed timelines bernie never made the final leap home....
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anime was right posted:guys i figured out why neoliberals are defending this "Hamilton was a mistake" - The Hayao Miyazaki of Broadway
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Jun 7, 2017 19:13
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Lastgirl posted:im just glad people can never bring Clinton up again at this point TBH The suck zone has always been like that except "slavery" is a hell of a lot more provable and effective showstopper than "bernie would have won"
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Jun 7, 2017 19:25
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zegermans posted:TBH The suck zone has always been like th- slavery
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Jun 7, 2017 19:25
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For reals you can't even use the "well it was a different time" because in spite of how god awful everything and everyone in the 80s were, including my parents for giving birth to me, I feel like "we stopped this program because they were literal house slaves" wouldn't have been all that politically risky to say.
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Jun 7, 2017 19:26
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Jun 7, 2017 19:36
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seriously, zegermans, you don't know how to use the edit button?
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Jun 7, 2017 19:38
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Matt Zerella posted:seriously, zegermans, you don't know how to use the edit button? Making new posts has more impact than making separate paragraphs
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https://twitter.com/ggooooddddoogg/status/872218326809837570
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and before anyone asks, there si nothing in teh soncstitution that say s a dog cant be president
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Lastgirl posted:im just glad people can never bring Clinton up again at this point quoting this for posterity to come back to it in 2019
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zegermans posted:Making new posts has more impact than making separate paragraphs zegermans: more impacted than donalds colon
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zegermans posted:For reals you can't even use the "well it was a different time" because in spite of how god awful everything and everyone in the 80s were, including my parents for giving birth to me, I feel like "we stopped this program because they were literal house slaves" wouldn't have been all that politically risky to say. It's like people saying "it was a different time" about HP Lovecraft yes, Lovecraft lived in a time where racism was normalized, but even accounting for that he was still especially racist and the 1980s were not loving long enough ago to justify using unpaid prisoner de-facto-slavery labor as domestic servants while musing on how they seem almost human (but not quite) Gene Hackman Fan posted:and before anyone asks, there si nothing in teh soncstitution that say s a dog cant be president while technically true, the dog would have to survive to 35 years of age
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zegermans posted:For reals you can't even use the "well it was a different time" because in spite of how god awful everything and everyone in the 80s were, including my parents for giving birth to me, I feel like "we stopped this program because they were literal house slaves" wouldn't have been all that politically risky to say. (even though it's actually pragmatic as hell to own up to your failings as a human being)
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loquacius posted:It's like people saying "it was a different time" about HP Lovecraft dog years alternatively lets elect a parrot to the presidency, it literally couldn't not be worse than trump
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Jun 7, 2017 19:52
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mr. president we need your urgent decision! president bird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjiBpFYubU
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Jun 7, 2017 19:53
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Raskolnikov38 posted:why would you have a positive view of slave holders The Clintons are part of Democratic Party history and culture. They are a symbol of Democratic heritage. They can be honored and remembered without also venerating them for slaveholding. The state of Arkansas had the rights to do this. I think you will find that their main concern was always economics anyway.
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Jun 7, 2017 19:54
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Raskolnikov38 posted:mr. president we need your urgent decision! 
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President bird, he is the president
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Al! posted:that sounds like a labyrinthine way of justifying that they wanted to hire a famous white person because they thought it would make them more money What's there to "justify?"
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Raskolnikov38 posted:dog years I will agree to this as long as I am allowed to sit in a room with this parrot for a period of several months repeating phrases like "nationalize the insurance industry" and "raise the minimum wage" over and over
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