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 hansen/sodo arena that pretty much puts the nail in the coffin.We'll see how this plays out but I'm still totally skeptical the city council won't gum this up especially with how dirty everyone in this has played. This loving mayor man.... Yeeesh E: at least I can ride my bike to key arena. I could still get into sodo quicker despite key being down the hill Duke Chin fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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shirts and skins posted:No available arena, that is, except... But the Mariners might play in Oct --lol - never mind. Issue would be more so for April-May crossover dates. But really, the sticking point seems to be that the city is set to host NCAA basketball tournament games in 2019, so no Key arena renovations till then. I think rules based on host team means they couldn't move to HecEd, but it would make more sense to swap with a location in the northwest in 2020 or 2021 but supposedly the NCAA doesnt like that.
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I think, for me, the worst part is that The Blethen family won. The Seattle Times won. The Port of Seattle won. The Mariners won. Mayor Babymouth gets his loving legacy pet project. Sally Bagshaw won. By transitive properties Kshama Sawant won. Literally everyone else in this area hates this loving project except for the above people. This isn't hyperbole - they all colluded and played a MASSIVE disinformation campaign and, in the case of the city, flat out ignored their constituency and their concerns. ~~~ The Darkest Timeline ~~~ rumbles on. I honestly don't trust these folks to A: get this thing shovel ready, or B: actually get/care about an NHL team here considering OVG has Livenation pulling in an equity share with this building. I won't be surprised if we get Kansas City'd with a music-only venue. Hopefully that DOESN'T happen and we get a team here (that isn't named something stupid like "steelhead" or <<<shudder>>> "golden knights") in the near future.
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Kinda hoping somebody does something monumentally stupid and accidentally leaves a key guy off of the protect list. Also if Calgary leaves for a U.S. city I'm finding a new team.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Kinda hoping somebody does something monumentally stupid and accidentally leaves a key guy off of the protect list. Also if Calgary leaves for a U.S. city I'm finding a new team. What if they leave for Quebec? 
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Kinda hoping somebody does something monumentally stupid and accidentally leaves a key guy off of the protect list. Also if Calgary leaves for a U.S. city I'm finding a new team. The Atlanta Flames has a nice ring to it
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The less teams from western Canada the better imo.
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Stiev Awt posted:More empty threats from the Flames to move if they don't get their shiny new stadium; this time from Brian Burke! if they move the flames to Quebec City, change the logo for a big flaming Q, I won't care that quebecor owns them and would likely root for "les Q en feu" just for the pun.
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If the flames move, and they don't use the burning C for the captain logo like they did with the A, I will be disappointed.
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I'm glad that Seattle is getting an arena again. SODO is significantly better for transportation but the Sonics (if they return) belong in Seattle Center/KeyArena imo.
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it's gonna be a poo poo show, man. It was bad back 9+ years ago - it's gotten worse since then even after "fixing it" The Mercer Mess is still a mess.
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The Seattle thing is gonna be garbo, but we already knew it was going to be garbo so there's no real surprise there. I'm just surprised someone found someone willing to pay to make the Key Arena vaguely serviceable. The NHL is desperate to be in Seattle so they'll jump at the chance to put a new expansion there; if the deal gets signed off on soon they'll probably move to sell the license before the next I'm still super curious as to what that will mean for Carolina, since Karmanos apparently wants out and no-one in Carolina wants to foot the bill. Say it with me now people: Calgary. Is. Going. To. Cave. And. Give. The. Flames. What. They. Want.
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Naheed Nenshi and city council have been steadfast for the last two years. Why would they cave now?
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Schlesische posted:I'm still super curious as to what that will mean for Carolina, since Karmanos apparently wants out and no-one in Carolina wants to foot the bill. [In Sean Connery's voice:] Kahbeck lovely
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MononcQc posted:if they move the flames to Quebec City, change the logo for a big flaming Q, I won't care that quebecor owns them and would likely root for "les Q en feu" just for the pun. 
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Oh yeah, and read into this however you feel like but Francesco Aquilini was in attendance at the Key Arena renovation boner show today.
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Duke Chin posted:[In Sean Connery's voice:] Kahbeck lovely I think Bettman has his sights on "anywhere but Quebec". He'd probably try to lean on Toronto and Buffalo to lower the "welcome to Ontario" tax before he'd let Quebec have a team again. Stiev Awt posted:Naheed Nenshi and city council have been steadfast for the last two years. Why would they cave now? 'cos they're hosed if they let the team leave. They're playing chicken to see who's going to cave first. The instant Flames ownership starts actively looking at other options in the sense of actually talking to people outside Calgary and visiting other cities Calgary will cave. Schlesische fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Schlesische posted:I think Bettman has his sights on "anywhere but Quebec". He'd probably try to lean on Toronto and Buffalo to lower the "welcome to Ontario" tax before he'd let Quebec have a team again. is Bettman's hatred of Quebec strictly because they're tiny? they have a huge money guy in PKP, Winnipeg has shown that it can work in mid-sized Canadian markets, plus isn't there a poster here who has stories of how his family would get into proper fights because of the Habs-Nords rivalry?
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Troy Queef posted:is Bettman's hatred of Quebec strictly because they're tiny? they have a huge money guy in PKP, Winnipeg has shown that it can work in mid-sized Canadian markets, plus isn't there a poster here who has stories of how his family would get into proper fights because of the Habs-Nords rivalry? it's another eastern team and most of the mocks are arizona to quebec which is removing a western team
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https://twitter.com/GoldenKnights/status/872861254771032064 Another hire in the leadup to the expansion draft. Only 2 weeks to go. 
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i am the bird posted:The Atlanta Flames has a nice ring to it Who?
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Troy Queef posted:is Bettman's hatred of Quebec strictly because they're tiny? they have a huge money guy in PKP, Winnipeg has shown that it can work in mid-sized Canadian markets, plus isn't there a poster here who has stories of how his family would get into proper fights because of the Habs-Nords rivalry? I also suspect he'd rather not have another Canadian team. Most likely expansion attempts involve U.S. cities, unless one counts Hamilton, which I don't because too many things would have to happen for that actually be a thing. I mean really, there aren't many more Canadian cities (maybe like 3-4) that could support an NHL team right now anyways. Halifax could do it based on the fact the Mooseheads are the only sports team they really have outside of Canadian university teams, but the time zone and travel factors could really hurt them when it comes to consideration. I'd be genuinely shocked if Saskatoon got a team. I know the Blues nearly ended up there, but if any Saskatchewan city gets a team I'd think it'll be Regina, even though it has less people, just because I think they get more money from the province due to the whole "provincial capital" thing. Plus you have Moose Jaw being close by, and that's another 34,000 people which nearly makes up the difference in population. I'd actually love it if there was a big Canadian expansion where one year it was Halifax and Regina/'Toon, and the next year, Quebec and Victoria. Or even Quebec and Seattle, that way you have an even 10 Canadian teams, plus a team that BC and Alberta residents can get to fairly easily.
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I could see Halifax eventually getting a team. It's about 4 to 6 hours from anywhere else in the Maritimes and the next closest teams are Montreal and Boston. It only has around 300 000 people but people will drive there for the casino so I bet they'll do the same for an NHL game.
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lol Halifax is never getting a team.
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Thufir posted:lol Halifax is never getting a team. Bring back the Atlantic Schooners.
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Stretch Marx posted:I could see Halifax eventually getting a team. It's about 4 to 6 hours from anywhere else in the Maritimes and the next closest teams are Montreal and Boston. It only has around 300 000 people but people will drive there for the casino so I bet they'll do the same for an NHL game. Funnily enough, Halifax would be more likely to get a team if Quebec did first I think. Because then you can have a division of Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Boston, Quebec, and Halifax. Travel would be fairly simple in that division! Sadly though, I think something would have to drastically change for Canada to get more teams. At the very least, that will be true as long as Gary Bettman's running the show. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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i wonder what kind of bonus multiplier canadian cities get from the nhl planning office if they are seriously considering thunder bay (100k) or halifax
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hifi posted:i wonder what kind of bonus multiplier canadian cities get from the nhl planning office if they are seriously considering thunder bay (100k) or halifax Who the gently caress said anything about Thunder Bay? We were almost an AHL affiliate for the Jets but that dried up long ago when we couldn't get money for a new arena. But we cannot support an NHL team and I know that. 105,000 people ain't enough. Halifax is well over 300,000 at least. iospace posted:Bring back Hartford Maybe they can trade a Ron Francis quality player to Pittsburgh for a past his prime forward and an offence first defenceman again El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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was the "thunder bay-sudbury market" thing a joke? i thought one of the talking heads suggested it
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Sadly though, I think something would have to drastically change for Canada to get more teams. At the very least, that will be true as long as Gary Bettman's running the show. I could see Hamilton or Quebec getting teams but anywhere else is just way too small.
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Bettman hates QC because its 100% francophone
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Thufir posted:I could see Hamilton or Quebec getting teams but anywhere else is just way too small. 40 years from now Yellowknife and Iqaluit will have teams to support only areas with possibility of outdoor games before the great Alaskan expansion.
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hifi posted:was the "thunder bay-sudbury market" thing a joke? i thought one of the talking heads suggested it My bad, I thought you were saying I said it. I guess someone probably thinks the amount of NHL players Northwest Ontario has produced means we could make it work, but we have a pop of 106,000 and our main arena sits just under 4,700. Like Halifax is unlikely, but their pop is 403,000 and it sits a 10, 600. That could host an NHL team. Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Bettman hates QC because its 100% francophone This is also true. I think he believes having too much French involvement alienates new fans or something.
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Thufir posted:I could see Hamilton or Quebec getting teams but anywhere else is just way too small. Hamilton has had a 17000 capacity hockey arena sitting around for 30 years.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I have a really hard time seeing a metro area less than 1 million people, even a Canadian one, being able to successfully support a team. Winnipeg has struggles and they're significantly larger than Halifax. That's because their arenas location sucks, Winnipeg is considered cold by Canadian standards, and their ownership is cheap. They were voted least attractive by a player's poll. Halifax might be able to avoid the ownership issues, and would give the maritimes their own team. They're also warmer. These things matter.
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