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qhat posted:Out of curiosity, what are you guys actually putting in your cover letter? Mine is pretty much thank you for considering me, here is a brief list of things in the job that match my resume, here's a small paragraph explaining any obvious weaknesses, you can get in contact with me at this email and telephone, look forward to discussing more with you, Butts McGree. would love a chance to discuss <role>, i bring <things> to the table, really excited because your company is a leader in <bullshit>. mostly just spit the buzzwords in the listing back at them.
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A cover letter is a great chance to just list out how you meet all the requirements for the job in plain english rather than making them match up bullet points on your resume to bullet points in the listing.
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you guys are making me feel bad about my cover letter template like it's so generic that I have $COMPANY and $JOB in there with one spot for a sentence about fit that I often can't fill in without it sounding terrible
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Munkeymon posted:like it's so generic that I have $COMPANY and $JOB in there with one spot for a sentence about fit that I often can't fill in without it sounding terrible this is what my cover letter ended up becoming, usually with something about relocating too since im in the middle of a desert i also had more hits from places i applied to without a cover letter so it must really be a stinker. thanks for nothing ResumeToInterviews
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 these ratios are about right for every position i've ever run hiring for the thing you have the most control over is not being in that first cut, a little effort makes a big difference there. making it through subsequent rounds gets harder to impact each time, i.e. think about the last cut: 3 great people left, 1 job -- it's almost chance based there.
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Shaman Linavi posted:thanks for nothing ResumeToInterviews i have heard nothing good about resumetointerviews
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the guy who started r2i was apparently doing a good job, then he sold the business to people who apparently aren't really doing a good job
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:
pretty much this when i did phone interviewing the amount of people we turned away was crazy, like 9 out of 10 phone interviews resulted in a ding. shitloads of people don't even know the most basic things, like the difference between recursion and iteration, and how to figure out the max value of an int, or what polymorphism is.
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if you send a cover letter, i'll read it. if i like the cut of your jib, it's definitely a bonus, because communication is a very important part of the job, and it gives you an opportunity to explain through prose what may not be evident simply from your resume. if you don't send a cover letter, i won't mind, and i'll just read your resume. but if you send a cover letter and it's bad, i will definitely hold that against you your application is you bragging about yourself, trying to present your work history in the most positive light. absence of information is not a negative: if you're just starting your career, then of course i don't expect a lot. but if you write stuff and it sucks, then that means you suck, and worse still, you don't even know you suck, or you would have left that poo poo off
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qhat posted:or what polymorphism is.
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FMguru posted:thats like when your married but can still do it with other people right? yah the opposite is "encapsulation"
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JawnV6 posted:yah the opposite is "encapsulation" 
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i had a interview with a solr consulting firm and i did a toy thing and i got grilled why i didn't try and make it into some big product or something and they said "why is it on github if it's a toy piece of poo poo" basically
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lol at cover letters. I never read them because they are all universally a waste of time. I only write them if it seems like it's required.
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The Management posted:lol at cover letters. I never read them because they are all universally a waste of time. I only write them if it seems like it's required. insert clever username joke here
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hifi posted:i had a interview with a solr consulting firm and i did a toy thing and i got grilled why i didn't try and make it into some big product or something and they said "why is it on github if it's a toy piece of poo poo" basically i got this once and my response was, 'well feel free to do it yourself if you really want to'
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sounds like startup passion/culture fit BS "we really want someone who won't SETTLE until MY dream is shipping!" The Management posted:lol at cover letters. I never read them because they are all universally a waste of time. I only write them if it seems like it's required.
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a startup near me put a job ad where they talk about regular geeking days, fun meetings and reference star wars. I sent them a b&w picture of me standing in a forest with hashtags floating around and a phone number.
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so are you ceo yet
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JawnV6 posted:yah the opposite is "encapsulation"
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I did a year-long project developing a new product with some classmates and we actually got a decent prototype as our provisional patent for it was about to expire. The week we were about to file for a full patent a much larger company started marketing a product that did exactly what ours did but also they were partnered with Motorola among other industry leaders so we dropped the project. I have no problem telling this story in an interview as "We independently invented a working prototype and obviously it was a good idea!" but should I explicitly list that I had a provisional patent on my resume or should I just leave it as a thing I bring up in interviews?
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ThePeavstenator posted:I did a year-long project developing a new product with some classmates and we actually got a decent prototype as our provisional patent for it was about to expire. The week we were about to file for a full patent a much larger company started marketing a product that did exactly what ours did but also they were partnered with Motorola among other industry leaders so we dropped the project. you should have filed for the full patent
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leper khan posted:you should have filed for the full patent We were seniors in college. We had no money, had no idea how to sell it, and we had jobs lined up after graduation. Filing was going to be expensive enough and we weren't interested in the possibility of going into litigation.
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lol if your senior project idea wasn't turned into a successful company by someone else later, that's what should happen if it wasn't a stupid idea so I had a call with the recruiter today, they've said I can expect to get an offer. I told them that I'm interviewing somewhere local in a few days, and so my recruiter says that she'll give me the offer after that interview because she doesn't want me to use the offer as leverage in said interview. does this mean I'm playing the game of offers now?
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Yes and you're failing at it so far
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qhat posted:Yes and you're failing at it so far gently caress
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DuckConference posted:she doesn't want me to use the offer as leverage in said interview. is there so much difference in "im expecting an offer"? idk kinda seems like jumping the gun on your part, it's great to have one place going faster because of a looming offer, and it's great to put pressure on a recruiter to bump an offer up because of something competitive, but idk what you're gaining between those points at the "expect an offer" stage by mentioning competition? it's not a huge deal, but i think it would've been more bang for the buck by mentioning another interview later
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Never give recruiters anything they don't need to know. Only mention other offers after they've provided you with a firm offer package.
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crap, so when they ask about "do you have any outstanding offers or interviews" I should err on the side of staying quiet?
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DuckConference posted:so I had a call with the recruiter today, they've said I can expect to get an offer. I told them that I'm interviewing somewhere local in a few days, and so my recruiter says that she'll give me the offer after that interview because she doesn't want me to use the offer as leverage in said interview. the correct response would have been 'okay we'll get you that offer ASAP so we can hire you!' the response they actually gave is bizarre and 
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DuckConference posted:crap, so when they ask about "do you have any outstanding offers or interviews" I should err on the side of staying quiet? no. at some point they're presumably trying to hire you, make that easy for them to do by telling them about relevant things that impact their ability to do that. "I'm going to be in a coma for a week, will be incommunicado", "i have another job offer right now", etc. edit i guess i wouldn't tell them about interviews other than "I am actively interviewing"
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:no. at some point they're presumably trying to hire you, make that easy for them to do by telling them about relevant things that impact their ability to do that. "I'm going to be in a coma for a week, will be incommunicado", "i have another job offer right now", etc. eh, "I have an offer coming" is a really good way to light a fire under people's butts as far as getting them to actually do stuff instead of sitting around for weeks
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it's worth noting that some of the advice in this thread is intended to actively sabotage others' chances at getting a job because it helps eliminate competition just fyi
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Stymie posted:it's worth noting that some of the advice in this thread is intended to actively sabotage others' chances at getting a job because it helps eliminate competition just fyi Yes I'm so worried about being beaten technically by yospos posters. Rofl.
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Stymie posted:it's worth noting that some of the advice in this thread is intended to actively sabotage others' chances at getting a job because it helps eliminate competition just fyi
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dqs
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lol, just got a template rejection email from a place I haven't heard from in 3 months "Hi this is the Pizza Hut you applied to in 1998. Unfortunately, you're not a fit for any of our open positions at this time."
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JawnV6 posted:whoa, pretty big accusation there, would you care to highlight a specific example and save someone from a career-limiting mistake? don't ask stymie to quote his own posts
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RISCy Business posted:good luck with this, i had to break up with my boyfriend when i moved to maryland because he wanted to stay in michigan West Michigan or East? Because if it was West then I can understand why he would want to stay. (West Michigan best Michigan) FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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