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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Don't vote Labour, they only mean danger.

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Baron Corbyn posted:

only if Corbyn loses, and oval office should be pluralised.
Yeah, at least wait for the exit polls.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Gorn Myson posted:

Don't vote Labour, they only mean danger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich
If you guys do get a 3 day working week and a month off for Winterval, I'm moving over

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
https://twitter.com/tombradby/status/872384722802003972

hm

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

toiletbrush posted:

I overslept so didnt manage to vote this morning, but will be voting Labour later on, same as my brother and sister-in-law. Alas despite my brother being extremely well read on politics, working (loosely) in the field and thoroughly schooling us all on why we should vote labour, my parents are both voting conservative. My dad's reason is that he thinks the tories will be better for the economy - are there any articles or videos from economists explaining the implications one way or the other? I remember there were some great ones for Brexit.

As well as the link Coohoolin posted, this is also a decent numerical attack on the myths that Labour borrows more and pays less national debt down when they're in power.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

Sadly from the number of times I'm hearing it, I think it was probably a tactical mistake for Corbyn's team not to tackle this head on in highly visible formats like TV advertising (I have seem him refer to it in speeches).

My attempts to parent convert have failed sadly, at least with my Dad. I don't think the views are atypical though:

quote:

Thanks for info but sorry not changed my mind. I have lived and worked through left wing labour governments before, which none of you have, pre maggie. It was a disaster in so many ways. Also worked in a unionised environment where there was intimidation to vote for a specific person etc. etc. I never want to go back to that.

Also having lived in NI for 10 years no matter what party Corbyn stood for I would not vote for someone who supported the IRA. You can give me all the spiel about talking etc. He supported them and I would go so far as to say encouraged them. That is not to say I am excusing the poor NI government situation then or the bad deal Catholics had etc. nor the terrorism from the Protestant side but I can never vote for terrorist supporters. If he was conservative I would not support him, or anyone else with that view. I feel some things are bigger than party politics this being a major one in my mind.

In response to Coohoolin's case against austerity link:

quote:

Nothing has changed. Every labour government since the war has ended up with a country with no money. A bad job when the IMF were running our economy!!! back under Healey. You can't ignore history, you learn from it.

And in response to the link I just gave you above:

quote:

2 things - remember the famous note "no money left", secondly until 2015 was a coalition and conservatives had to do some things things Lib Dems wanted not purely their own policy.

Whoever wrote that loving "no money left" note needs a drat good hiding. That's another one I hear cited as 'proof' all the time. :argh:

Serene Dragon
Mar 31, 2011

Two more votes for SNP in Dumfriesshire. Even if everything else was poo poo, if we managed to kick out Mundell I would be deliriously happy. It'll never happen though.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
interesting that at least someone else thinks about the hat-in-hand-to-the-IMF fiasco

(the labour left reading of events is BETRAYAL BY THE LABOUR RIGHT WHO SECRETLY WANTED AUSTERITY, for the curious)

my own reading is that Corbyn plays the mystique of old Labour more than the substance; compare all the buzz about 'costings', which implicitly acknowledge the desirability of a balance structural budget, to the 1983 manifesto

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

This means nothing unless you know what the UKIP vote in those constituencies is. Tory net gains from UKIP have steadily declined over the campaign and it only looks like around 10 seats are actually at risk from this assuming Labour don't pick up voters elsewhere.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

ronya posted:

interesting that at least someone else thinks about the hat-in-hand-to-the-IMF fiasco

(the labour left reading of events is BETRAYAL BY THE LABOUR RIGHT WHO SECRETLY WANTED AUSTERITY, for the curious)

my own reading is that Corbyn plays the mystique of old Labour more than the substance; compare all the buzz about 'costings', which implicitly acknowledge the desirability of a balance structural budget, to the 1983 manifesto

It's a stick to beat the Tories with and they still try this magic money tree poo poo, are you genuinely this tedious irl or are you doing it for a joke

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
I know that even less hope isn't what the thread wants just at this moment, but for those sweet few who are daring to hope - remember that even if the jam socialist squeaks through and manages to form a minority government he will be held to ransom by the PLP backbenchers, and very likely forced to compromise on almost every part of his manifesto.

Henry Black
Jun 27, 2004

If she's not making this face, you're not doing it right.
Fun Shoe
Why do people talk about wasted votes? Surely if the vote share for Labour goes up by 5%, that's a whole lot more Short money at the least?

(This post should not be construed as tempting fate or anything. I live in eternal hope.)

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice

forkboy84 posted:

Here's something absurd from The Sun

https://twitter.com/pointlesslettrs/status/872800581655699456

Normally this sort of speculative fiction pish is Daily Mail fodder but seems The Sun is branching out. Stare in slack-jawed wonder at the idea that a PM could be close to a union leader agitating for a general strike.

What's with all these people referencing the 3-day week in relation to Labour when it was a loving Tory policy that Labour repealed?

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

xtothez posted:

What's with all these people referencing the 3-day week in relation to Labour when it was a loving Tory policy that Labour repealed?

LABOUR > TRADES UNIONS > STRIKES > 3 DAY WEEK

This is the thought process.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

ronya posted:

interesting that at least someone else thinks about the hat-in-hand-to-the-IMF fiasco

(the labour left reading of events is BETRAYAL BY THE LABOUR RIGHT WHO SECRETLY WANTED AUSTERITY, for the curious)

my own reading is that Corbyn plays the mystique of old Labour more than the substance; compare all the buzz about 'costings', which implicitly acknowledge the desirability of a balance structural budget, to the 1983 manifesto

Yeah, it hasn't really come up specifically much in the campaign, has it? Certainly my Dad isn't the only 60-70 year-old I've heard mention it, but if you didn't live through it I doubt the average person even knows about it.

Still, my understanding was that the roots of the crisis were laid under Heath though, so placing the blame entirely on Labour was a bit harsh.

I think you're absolutely right about Corbyn - the manifesto really isn't that radical (although still much better than the alternatives on offer IMO) and isn't even promising to reverse most of the cuts. Still, if that's the price we pay for electability.

To be honest though, the public doesn't seem to care that it's costed, because the government just says it's not anyway, and how's the public supposed to know any different without reading it.

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008
3 Labour votes in Tory stronghold North Thanet (Dad said he hadn't voted Labour since his first vote back in the 70s and he hated Corbyn a few weeks ago). Seemed empty baring the wobbly and motorised living dead, much like last year. There was a Tory rosette outside counting turnout, which is interesting because apparently they've been emailing members warning that the turnout is high.

communism bitch posted:

I know that even less hope isn't what the thread wants just at this moment, but for those sweet few who are daring to hope - remember that even if the jam socialist squeaks through and manages to form a minority government he will be held to ransom by the PLP backbenchers, and very likely forced to compromise on almost every part of his manifesto.
5% of that manifesto coming to pass is a net positive compared to the alternative.

staberind
Feb 20, 2008

but i dont wanna be a spaceship
Fun Shoe
In any case, I voted for Caroline Lucas, all but one of the candidates were local, the conservative one was in west riding or something.
on the other hand, my neighbor voted conservative because he wanted "Someone strong and steady for brexit" after laughing in his face, he continued with "Well, everyone voted to leave...." so i went and voted, and came back and set his ears on fire.

"hearts in the right place, but brain is awol" is the only way I can describe him.

staberind fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jun 8, 2017

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

xtothez posted:

What's with all these people referencing the 3-day week in relation to Labour when it was a loving Tory policy that Labour repealed?

gently caress, I didn't actually know this. I mean, I probably read it at some point, but it had totally seeped into my subconscious. Aargh.

Edit: Do any of our 27 Conservative voters fancy giving some thoughts behind their vote?

minema
May 31, 2011
Where does the best live text coverage for election night, BBC?

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

minema posted:

Where does the best live text coverage for election night, BBC?

Here.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
Voted Labour in Bristol West around 7 hours ago now. Got tomorrow off so I can depress myself in realtime.

More important question: beer or rum tonight?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


I voted. For Labour. I wish my candidate was less poo poo but hey ho. I convinced one person in Edinburgh North & Leith to vote for their Labour candidate who is on the approved list so that was positive at least.

staberind
Feb 20, 2008

but i dont wanna be a spaceship
Fun Shoe

minema posted:

Where does the best live text coverage for election night, BBC?

https://forums.somethingawful.com/newreply.php?action=newreply&postid=473166838

staberind
Feb 20, 2008

but i dont wanna be a spaceship
Fun Shoe

mfcrocker posted:

Voted Labour in Bristol West around 7 hours ago now. Got tomorrow off so I can depress myself in realtime.

More important question: beer or rum tonight?

Vodka.
actually, lets have a quick look at what's in front of me : Quietiapine 2 x 25mg, Diazepam, 2 x 2mg, Mirtazapine 15mg x1, and Methylphenidate. All of the Methylphenidate.
And vodka probably, will see what's cheap, I'd prefer Tequila.

So, see you all soon in discord or that relic

staberind fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Jun 8, 2017

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Lovechop
Feb 1, 2005

cheers mate
lovely lady from the green party just came by to remind me to vote. they're so nice :)

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

This is going to be very odd, I've never been to vote a general election before without thinking a regretful "gently caress you, Labour Party, this vote is for Jeremy Corbyn to continue being a pain in your arse" as I let the ballot paper go. This one's for everyone who wants to vote for him and can't, I guess.

Halisnacks
Jul 18, 2009
gently caress it, allowing hope.
Corbyn PM by Monday.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


minema posted:

Where does the best live text coverage for election night, BBC?

The UKMT IRC is good on election nights. And by good I mean a place for mutual misery.

My Cool Dude setup for tonight will be my phone for checking the forum & social media, my laptop for IRC, & the TV on BBC Scotland.

mfcrocker posted:

Voted Labour in Bristol West around 7 hours ago now. Got tomorrow off so I can depress myself in realtime.

More important question: beer or rum tonight?

I have bourbon I bought for the occasion. It's 45% ABV & cost £20 & so that seemed like the important numbers. I could have gotten cheaper vodka (& I might actually still go out & get some, I'd hate to run out of drink tonight, plus it'd be swell to have enough to force liver failure when the confirmation comes in that the Tory majority is 500.) but 45%.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?


Is that you, Ober?

I can't cope with all the changing names and avatars and fake Pissflapses :)

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing

mfcrocker posted:

Voted Labour in Bristol West around 7 hours ago now. Got tomorrow off so I can depress myself in realtime.

More important question: beer or rum tonight?

Why not both to ensure sweet oblivion

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

Szmitten posted:

3 Labour votes in Tory stronghold North Thanet (Dad said he hadn't voted Labour since his first vote back in the 70s and he hated Corbyn a few weeks ago). Seemed empty baring the wobbly and motorised living dead, much like last year. There was a Tory rosette outside counting turnout, which is interesting because apparently they've been emailing members warning that the turnout is high.

Good job fellow Thanet goon.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Dabir posted:

It's a stick to beat the Tories with and they still try this magic money tree poo poo, are you genuinely this tedious irl or are you doing it for a joke

it's just the conventional narrative: labour has to run against its image or be punished for it at the ballot box, which is why so much emphasis is put by Labour, even Corbyn's team, on costings to begin with. people like simon wren-lewis can grumble but not even mcdonnell will call for keynesian prime-the-pump spending a la 1983

conversely the tories have to suppress the vindictive, nasty party notion or likewise face a vote hit - apparently arbitrary stuff like the dementia or pasty tax have hurt them more than it hurt New Labour's own batteries of tax tweaks a decade earlier - the latter get swept under a broad grumbling of high-handed intrusiveness but much less voter rejection, despite the best efforts of a hostile press

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

Spoke to a few old timers who have voted UKIP for the last few elections who decided to vote for "Greenpeace" this time as they hadn't apparently seen them on a ballot before.

I wasn't going to argue.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Jeherrin posted:

11:30am voter reporting in. Glasgow Central. Polling station wasn't dead, but not busy—hope that it picks up at lunchtime. Voted for the jam man, even though it won't make a difference here because the SNP have fooled everyone into thinking they're some kind of socially progressive left party (Tartan Tories, anyone...?)

#allotmentsforeveryone

:respek: Glasgow Central representing. Voting Labour after work, but like you I don't see the SNP being shifted

Lovechop
Feb 1, 2005

cheers mate
also lol

https://twitter.com/TheGreenParty/status/872455541427187713

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Prince John posted:

gently caress, I didn't actually know this. I mean, I probably read it at some point, but it had totally seeped into my subconscious. Aargh.

Edit: Do any of our 27 Conservative voters fancy giving some thoughts behind their vote?

i don't think they're necessarily voting toy

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Prince John posted:

Is that you, Ober?

I can't cope with all the changing names and avatars and fake Pissflapses :)
Si

Uncle Kitchener
Nov 18, 2009

BALLSBALLSBALLSBALLS
BALLSBALLSBALLSBALLS
BALLSBALLSBALLSBALLS
BALLSBALLSBALLSBALLS
Made my vote. Hope it counts towards something even if Barnet is dominantly a Tory area.

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Captain Mediocre
Oct 14, 2005

Saving lives and money!

Gorn Myson posted:

Just voted Labour in Beaconsfield, which is basically a wasted vote because the Tories are holding that seat even if Dominic Grieve shoved leaflets through everyones doors asking us to legalise paedophilia but specifically for Muslims.
Oh hey the labour candidate there used to be a friend of mine, he's a good egg.

Beaconsfield however is the worst place in Britain. Nowhere is there a more appalling population to try to deal with in any customer facing job. Condolences.

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