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Michael Scott: Jan 3, 2010; by zen death robot

Wistful of Dollars posted:

CTS and CT6 do/will have nice deals on the used market in 2-3 years.

Maybe. I got my '13 Audi A4 for half of new MSRP this year. CTSs of the same year, miles and comparable trim level were going for several thousand $ more. Used cars are still really expensive

And goddamn Camry etc. prices were also way higher than one would expect.

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# ? May 24, 2024 02:26

OBAMNA PHONE: Aug 7, 2002

Applebees Appetizer posted:

"I hope I die before I get old" - Pete Townsend 1965

"but not before I get caught 'researching' child porn"

# ? Jun 7, 2017 05:40

Applebees Appetizer: Jan 23, 2006

Didn't he get off on that? :rimshot:

# ? Jun 7, 2017 05:43

blk: Dec 19, 2009; .

Amusing RF/86/Hellcat comparo here https://youtu.be/NSq5Zb5ZNWY

(Yeah, yeah, they should've had Randy drive the hellcat)

# ? Jun 7, 2017 07:12

kimcicle: Feb 23, 2003

The Korean press embargo on the Stinger is up. The 3.3t can scoot from 0 to 100 kph in 4.9 seconds (!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR02618mOnU&t=189s

(Timestamp is ~3 minutes if the embed doesn't work correctly)

The other videos seems to show a lot of K900 rubbing off on the Stinger, and a fastback roof that doesn't intrude in passenger headroom nearly as much as the A5 / 4 Series sportbacks.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 19:05

kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

blk posted:

Amusing RF/86/Hellcat comparo here https://youtu.be/NSq5Zb5ZNWY

(Yeah, yeah, they should've had Randy drive the hellcat)

Some other thread has Randy's Hellcat time. 1:26:30 or something.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 19:31

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

kimcicle posted:

The Korean press embargo on the Stinger is up. The 3.3t can scoot from 0 to 100 kph in 4.9 seconds (!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR02618mOnU&t=189s

(Timestamp is ~3 minutes if the embed doesn't work correctly)

The other videos seems to show a lot of K900 rubbing off on the Stinger, and a fastback roof that doesn't intrude in passenger headroom nearly as much as the A5 / 4 Series sportbacks.

Anything about how much it weighs?

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:22

kimcicle: Feb 23, 2003

Wistful of Dollars posted:

Anything about how much it weighs?

Weight figures are for the stock 19" tire, drop another 10kg for the 18" tire. These are also Korea specifications, not sure how much will change between the Korean domestic market and other markets.

3.3 V6 Turbo AWD: 1855kg (~4090 lbs)
3.3 V6 Turbo RWD: 1785kg (~3935 lbs)
2.0 I4 Turbo AWD: 1740kg (~3835 lbs)
2.0 I4 Turbo RWD: 1670kg (~3680 lbs)

kimcicle fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jun 7, 2017

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:55

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

kimbo305 posted:

Some other thread has Randy's Hellcat time. 1:26:30 or something.

Yeah, pretty much. I found his lap eventually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xbtZUS3Vww&t=315s

Then, very scientifically, I compared some min corner and top straight speeds:

code:

		mx5 Hellcat
straight	88	111
corner1		37	34
corner2		43	43
corner3		42	38
hairpin		45	42
...
Back straight	98	117
Last corner	34	34

So... not particularly surprising. It'd be interesting to see how the times/speed changes as you add more power, perhaps the fiata would be a good candidate as you could just crank up the boost to various degrees.

E: Although theoretically, improving handling further should have a better return (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2S6MJt0998) so I wonder if you could catch up with the hellcat with only tires and suspension mods.

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 7, 2017

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:02

davebo: Nov 15, 2006; Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito; College Slice

kimcicle posted:

Weight figures are for the stock 19" tire, drop another 10kg for the 18" tire. These are also Korea specifications, not sure how much will change between the Korean domestic market and other markets.

3.3 V6 Turbo AWD: 1855kg (~4090 lbs)
3.3 V6 Turbo RWD: 1785kg (~3935 lbs)
2.0 I4 Turbo AWD: 1740kg (~3835 lbs)
2.0 I4 Turbo RWD: 1670kg (~3680 lbs)

Dammit I knew that 3935 figure I saw wasn't even the AWD model. Why is this thing so drat fat? Being RWD makes it about 200lbs heavier than an Optima with the same engine, okay. Then bumping up to 3.3l tt adds 250lbs? I guess it's not super unreasonable but I really don't want a 4,000lbs car with 19" wheels on the kind of lovely streets I sometimes deal with.

Edit: vv but a new Mustang GT has a hell of a lot more power doesn't it? I mean the Imapala SS weighs similar but that's a lot more powerful too, and maybe a little larger? The answer to your question would be I don't know because to see what's comparable I'd have to see their pricing in America first. I was hoping that in the world of 4 door RWD cars with under 400hp this would be better than whatever else is available. If it's just the same that doesn't really get me to buy one, at least new.

davebo fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jun 7, 2017

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:10

Q_res: Oct 29, 2005; We're fucking built for this shit!

Can you get anything remotely comparable that weighs significantly less? the 4 banger AWD is comparable in weight to my Mustang GT. Everything's fat now, I don't know why people insist on acting like this is news.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:15

davebo: Nov 15, 2006; Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito; College Slice

After checking I'm actually seeing the current GT's weight as 3705 lbs. With 435hp and still getting 25mpg highway? That's pretty good. Hell if they made a Mustang GT Wagon I'd have one of those.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:31

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Q_res posted:

Can you get anything remotely comparable that weighs significantly less? the 4 banger AWD is comparable in weight to my Mustang GT. Everything's fat now, I don't know why people insist on acting like this is news.

How big is that thing? A EU market RWD 340 weights like 1600kg, 540 is 1670 and 1735 in AWD.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:36

kill me now: Sep 14, 2003; Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

Q_res posted:

Can you get anything remotely comparable that weighs significantly less? the 4 banger AWD is comparable in weight to my Mustang GT. Everything's fat now, I don't know why people insist on acting like this is news.

Yeah this isn't a stripped out sports car, it's a well equipped grand touring sedan that strikes a balance between performance and comfort. The fact that it weighs around 4K lbs is completely unsurprising.

I was recently watching the motortrend video on the new Ferrari gtc4lusso and that thing weighs 4500lbs. Why? Because putting luxury comfort feature and safety equipment into a medium sized performance car makes it heavy but it's worth it if you want a grand tourer. They talked about how the doors actually feel nice when you close them and how it has double pane glass to quiet down the interior. Not things you do when you are trying to shave weight but perfect if you want to spend all day bombing down the road in it.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:47

kimcicle: Feb 23, 2003

mobby_6kl posted:

How big is that thing? A EU market RWD 340 weights like 1600kg, 540 is 1670 and 1735 in AWD.

Kia Stinger KDM specs:
Length: 4830 mm
Width: 1870 mm
Height: 1400 mm
Wheelbase: 2905 mm

BMW 3 series:
Length: 4624mm
Width: 1811mm
Height: 1429mm
Wheelbase: 2810mm

BMW 5 series:
Length: 4907mm
Width: 1860mm
Height: 1464mm
Wheelbase: 2968mm

So somewhere inbetween the 3 and 5 series.

The base Stinger is 35,000,000 KRW ($31140 USD), the V6 is 44,600,000 KRW ($39681 USD), and AWD is a 2,500,000 KRW ($2222 USD) option. Base V6 gets Brembo brakes, top trim of the V6 gets a mechanical LSD.

kimcicle fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jun 7, 2017

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:48

davebo: Nov 15, 2006; Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito; College Slice

kill me now posted:

Yeah this isn't a stripped out sports car, it's a well equipped grand touring sedan that strikes a balance between performance and comfort. The fact that it weighs around 4K lbs is completely unsurprising.

Yeah I realize this is the problem I have, and obviously that's not something I can appreciate from just reading about the car. This car is supposed to be taking on luxury brands but I don't actually want a luxury car. I just want my current Optima to be RWD and have ~350hp. I heard that Kia are making more stripper-spec models for Australia with cloth seats but obviously we won't get anything like that here.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 22:01

Sadi: Jan 18, 2005; SC - Where there are more rednecks than people

The 3 series is 3,300-4,000 lb, 5 series is 3,700-5,000 (what's up with that huge range? LWB and wagon?). You can cut weight if you put effort into it.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 22:53

kill me now: Sep 14, 2003; Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

Sadi posted:

The 3 series is 3,300-4,000 lb, 5 series is 3,700-5,000 (what's up with that huge range? LWB and wagon?). You can cut weight if you put effort into it.

Small single turbo and big twin turbo engines, rwd or awd, basic models or ones with every luxury and safety tech feature. It's not surprising you can pack an extra 700lbs into a car with options.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 23:21

MrChips: Jun 10, 2005; FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Plus, the 5 has V8 engine options where the 3 doesn't.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 23:31

Sadi: Jan 18, 2005; SC - Where there are more rednecks than people

But regardless. I'm super impressed the f30s are roughly inline with e46 weights. E90s are the pigs of the 3 series right now.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 02:06

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

Sadi posted:

The 3 series is 3,300-4,000 lb, 5 series is 3,700-5,000 (what's up with that huge range? LWB and wagon?). You can cut weight if you put effort into it.

So they put effort into it... and ended up with cars that weigh the same as the Kia?

# ? Jun 8, 2017 02:44

Sadi: Jan 18, 2005; SC - Where there are more rednecks than people

I mean let's not beat around the bush, it's impressive the BMWs are that light. There's got to be a lot of carbon and aluminum to get cars with all those luxury features at those weights. The stinger looks cool, but I imagine they aren't quite 5 series well equipped.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 03:18

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

Sadi posted:

The 3 series is 3,300-4,000 lb, 5 series is 3,700-5,000 (what's up with that huge range? LWB and wagon?). You can cut weight if you put effort into it.

the gt bodystyle tacks on like 500 lbs for some reason

Sadi posted:

I mean let's not beat around the bush, it's impressive the BMWs are that light. There's got to be a lot of carbon and aluminum to get cars with all those luxury features at those weights. The stinger looks cool, but I imagine they aren't quite 5 series well equipped.

yeah, there's no manual transmission

hifi fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jun 8, 2017

# ? Jun 8, 2017 03:22

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

hifi posted:

the gt bodystyle tacks on like 500 lbs for some reason

yeah, there's no manual transmission

Extra glass and metal required so that you don't loving die if the car flips over.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 03:31

PCOS Bill: May 12, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

hifi posted:

the gt bodystyle tacks on like 500 lbs for some reason

Punishment

# ? Jun 8, 2017 03:55

kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

mobby_6kl posted:

Then, very scientifically, I compared some min corner and top straight speeds:

E: Although theoretically, improving handling further should have a better return (http://youtu.be/S2S6MJt0998) so I wonder if you could catch up with the hellcat with only tires and suspension mods.

I have no doubt. I have never felt more inadequate than running a track day in my Z06 on PSS with a ratty 240SX on slicks breathing down my neck at every corner.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 03:59

dissss: Nov 10, 2007; I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

kill me now posted:

Small single turbo and big twin turbo engines, rwd or awd, basic models or ones with every luxury and safety tech feature. It's not surprising you can pack an extra 700lbs into a car with options.

Also the base one is a little i4, whereas you can go all the way up to a twin turbo V8. Also hybrids and diesels are probably heavier again.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 04:42

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Sadi posted:

I mean let's not beat around the bush, it's impressive the BMWs are that light. There's got to be a lot of carbon and aluminum to get cars with all those luxury features at those weights. The stinger looks cool, but I imagine they aren't quite 5 series well equipped.

That's true, the Stinger is probably much better equipped.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 13:09

BloodBag: Sep 20, 2008; WITNESS ME!

kimbo305 posted:

I have no doubt. I have never felt more inadequate than running a track day in my Z06 on PSS with a ratty 240SX on slicks breathing down my neck at every corner.

poo poo, I remember passing corvettes and 993cabs with point-bys in my base model manual mini cooper in the twisty bits only to have them blast by me on the two straights. The one time I saw a guy actually do well with a corvette on the track had his brake pedal sink to the floor and him go off track because of it. I've always thought corvettes were cars for fat old men to drive to and from the icehouse every sunday (same with most harleys). That day did little to change that opinion. Most of them are to scared of the car's off-idle power to really give it the beans.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 13:40

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# ? Jun 8, 2017 14:06

opengl: Sep 16, 2010

BloodBag posted:

I've always thought corvettes were cars for fat old men to drive to and from the icehouse every sunday (same with most harleys). That day did little to change that opinion. Most of them are to scared of the car's off-idle power to really give it the beans.

Can confirm, bought mine from an old guy who told me he never floored it because he was afraid of the power, lol.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 15:36

davebo: Nov 15, 2006; Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito; College Slice

opengl128 posted:

Can confirm, bought mine from an old guy who told me he never floored it because he was afraid of the power, lol.

I got mine from a guy who owned it for about 6 months then realized he never drove it because he has kids and never gets to go anywhere alone. I happily gave it all the beans when no one is around. I know it's the best car I've owned but I worry once I sell it I'll never have another car I like more. Until I guess when I'm a fat old man and my kids are grown and can buy a newer one.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 16:37

Cage: Jul 17, 2003; www.revivethedrive.org

davebo posted:

I got mine from a guy who owned it for about 6 months then realized he never drove it because he has kids and never gets to go anywhere alone. I happily gave it all the beans when no one is around. I know it's the best car I've owned but I worry once I sell it I'll never have another car I like more. Until I guess when I'm a fat old man and my kids are grown and can buy a newer one.

When I just recently bought my last car, a 2004 with 21k miles I floored it in 4th to about 90 or so and got worried for a second when I smelled something burning until I realized it was most likely just carbon build up and the dude just never got on it.

Don't worry dude, I get on it. :whatup:

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opengl128 posted:

Can confirm, bought mine from an old guy who told me he never floored it because he was afraid of the power, lol.

The place I bought my Nova from had a C5 on the lot. The front license plate cover/plug thing had "Grandpa's Toy" airbrushed on it. I laughed.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 16:53

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The FiL has a C5 convertible that he never drives down in Florida. When they moved from NY down there he had it trailed. Would that not be the perfect road trip for a corvette?

# ? Jun 8, 2017 18:47

davebo: Nov 15, 2006; Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito; College Slice

BigPaddy posted:

The FiL has a C5 convertible that he never drives down in Florida. When they moved from NY down there he had it trailed. Would that not be the perfect road trip for a corvette?

Nah you're just going straight on 95 the entire time, which is too heavily populated and policed.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 19:12

AvesPKS: Sep 26, 2004; I don't dance unless I'm totally wasted.

davebo posted:

Nah you're just going straight on 95 the entire time, which is too heavily populated and policed.

Especially through SC and GA where it's a 4 lane highway.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 00:00

aparmenideanmonad: Jan 28, 2004; Balls to you and your way of mortal opinions - you don't exist anyway!; Fun Shoe

BigPaddy posted:

The FiL has a C5 convertible that he never drives down in Florida. When they moved from NY down there he had it trailed. Would that not be the perfect road trip for a corvette?

Yes, take actual roads rather than freeways all the way down through the mountains and it's gorgeous. You can do about 70% of this or something similar: https://roadtripusa.com/appalachian-trail/

# ? Jun 9, 2017 02:40

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

aparmenideanmonad posted:

Yes, take actual roads rather than freeways all the way down through the mountains and it's gorgeous. You can do about 70% of this or something similar: https://roadtripusa.com/appalachian-trail/

Yeah but that will ruin the resale value

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Michael Scott: Jan 3, 2010; by zen death robot

Proud Christian Mom posted:

Yeah but that will ruin the resale value

Is this sarcasm?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 05:00

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