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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Someone help me. What exactly does this mean for Brexit? The Tories pushed for a hard brexit but will be forced to govern alongside at least one group (either DUP or Lib Dems) who want a soft one at most. Hard brexit's probably off the table now.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Someone help me. What exactly does this mean for Brexit? Jose posted:lol nick clegg
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Someone help me. What exactly does this mean for Brexit? Not much other than the negotiations will be hosed up. We're still going to be forced to do a brexit, but probably not May's magical mystery blueprint for brexit.
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I promised I say England is better than Scotland and I guess for once in my loving life I'm actually happy that I'm right. Good job you beautiful bastards.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Someone help me. What exactly does this mean for Brexit? Brexit means a 7p breakfast
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MrL_JaKiri posted:They're still the largest party That's not exactly relevant to how hosed they are. May will have to go and they'll descend into a nasty-rear end knife fight and emerge with another unelected PM, Corbyn is going to steam forward with a mostly-united PLP behind him rather than the constant backstabbing we've seen so far, all the political momentum is on Labour's side, and the Tories will be beholden to the DUP, and thus can't deliver a hard Brexit which will alienate the hardcore UKIP>Tory voters. They're hosed
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:Gillard is also a very, very different politician from the Tory bench. Who amongst them is going to work a coalition and handle the incredibly complex domestic and international political negotiation that has to be balanced and managed? No, seriously, who the gently caress is going to lead the Tories now? Will Boris actually have the guts to try? Would anyone? How do you lead after this stunning a reversal? After a result that would have been, frankly, better for you as a full loss?
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Will a Tory minority for this term and an absolutely loving poo poo Brexi be worse or better than the possibility of damaging the Tory image for a generation?
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The Tories pushed for a hard brexit but will be forced to govern alongside at least one group (either DUP or Lib Dems) who want a soft one at most. Hard brexit's probably off the table now. Or, alternatively, the parties are going to fumble around trying to form government for a month, fail, and call another election, so 3-4 months of the 24 month article 50 window get eaten up with nobody having a mandate to negotiate.
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oh, one last tidbit before i shutdown for ages : historically whoever has got into power has been "helped" by a certain shitfinger press baron, however, corbs owes this character nothing, so, i wonder how that will play out?
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Well I for one am glad that the stupid transformers comic panel (and the " lazy defeatism masquerading as hardheaded understanding of the world" that it represents) lost this election pretty hard. May we never see it again
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Jun 9, 2017 06:54
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Nice mandate for brexit you got there Theresa
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Cerebral Bore posted:That's not exactly relevant to how hosed they are. May will have to go and they'll descend into a nasty-rear end knife fight and emere with another unelected PM, Corbyn is going to steam forward with a mostly-united PLP bahind him rather than the constant backstabbing we've seen so far, all the political momentum is on Labour's side, and the Tories will be beholden to the DUP, and thus can't deliver a hard Brexit which will alienate the hardcore UKIP>Tory voters. They're hosed Consider the parameters of a likely deal that will satisfy DUP and EU. You move to a nordic model, retain freedom of movement and the customs union, but lose your MEP seats and probably lose the special break the UK gets on paying into the EU So nothing would change except the UK will have to pay the EU more money and lose a seat at the table. That seems to be a self evident domestic political disaster.
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So now that hope is cool and good, who here is hoping that the absolute failure of brexit negotiations that is sure to result will result in no brexit?
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We are going to end up with Boris Johnson as our prime minister for Trump's state visit aren't we?
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David Lammy is such a boy. I dream of seeing him in the cabinet in under 5 yrs as I pour the last of my beer stash (keeping the single malt for Theresa's speech)
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Coohoolin posted:Sasanach. Literally. Sasana is England, ach declension is "person of". Actually, in Scottish gaidhlaig it's Sassainn, give or take an n or s and one of those ' things 
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Will a Tory minority for this term and an absolutely loving poo poo Brexi be worse or better than the possibility of damaging the Tory image for a generation? Neither party can return a good brexit without a majority, so personally I would say Labour should hand it off to the tories on confidence and supply, vote down any of their lovely domestic stuff, and loving dare them to call another election because they can't deliver on anything.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Will a Tory minority for this term and an absolutely loving poo poo Brexi be worse or better than the possibility of damaging the Tory image for a generation? Voters are dumb and have the attention span of six months at most. I don't think bullshitting political strategy for situations 20 years from now makes a lot of sense.
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Murderion posted:Actually, in Scottish gaidhlaig it's Sassainn, give or take an n or s and one of those ' things Damned Sassainn, always loving up the ERE.
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NewMars posted:So now that hope is cool and good, who here is hoping that the absolute failure of brexit negotiations that is sure to result will result in no brexit? No Brexit is political suicide for whoever ends up negotiating it. The big upside of this election is that we are almost certainly not going to get anywhere near as hard a Brexit as we were.
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learnincurve posted:We are going to end up with Boris Johnson as our prime minister for Trump's state visit aren't we? How better to make Trump feel at home than by having him chill out with another orange prick with poo poo yellow hair with the political skills of a toddler
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OwlFancier posted:Neither party can return a good brexit without a majority, so personally I would say Labour should hand it off to the tories on confidence and supply, vote down any of their lovely domestic stuff, and loving dare them to call another election because they can't deliver on anything. I'm just so weary of accelerationism that I don't feel good cheering for them being stuck with it. But you're probably right, one term for many is just better political calculus and will end with fewer deaths and less struggle for people overall.
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:Consider the parameters of a likely deal that will satisfy DUP and EU. You move to a nordic model, retain freedom of movement and the customs union, but lose your MEP seats and probably lose the special break the UK gets on paying into the EU Ayup, Labour with have a goddamn field day with it and the hard brexit crowd will flip the gently caress out. And I also forgot to mention in my last post that Jezza has very likely turned a generation of voters into Labour partisans. The Tories are hosed. EDIT: And to top it all off, they're going to be a couple of byelections away from losing their majority. Not exactly a strong and stable negotiating position. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Jun 9, 2017 |
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What's the odds on another GE within a year? 6 months? Sooner?
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learnincurve posted:We are going to end up with Boris Johnson as our prime minister for Trump's state visit aren't we? Look at it this way: BoJo is probably the best man to play Trump's babysitter for a few days and will get along with him swimmingly, assuming BoJo can put aside his own misery for a while. NewMars posted:So now that hope is cool and good, who here is hoping that the absolute failure of brexit negotiations that is sure to result will result in no brexit? It's going to have to get to the point where whoever's in charge decides to take the EU council up on their offer to rescind the Art 50 submission, and that might take some time.
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Bardeh posted:No Brexit is political suicide for whoever ends up negotiating it. The big upside of this election is that we are almost certainly not going to get anywhere near as hard a Brexit as we were. Soft Brexit is political suicide. Hard brexit is political suicide, brexit in general is political suicide.
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Might just eat jam today.
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Dimbleby's gone to tired cool old guy rant mode now, it's awesome.
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Corbyn you loving hero! Also very proud of my constituency for being a 1k majority and returning a 12k lead this time
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So I dreamt that Corbyn was PM last night, expected to wake up to bitter disappointment but am actually pleasantly surprised! I think this was the best realistic result. Also Cardiff has gone all red which owns, and gently caress Scotland.
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The last 24 hours have been pretty good as far as political theater goes, on both sides of the Atlantic. Comey repeatedly dunked on Trump, and the Tories (despite being the larger party) didn't so much shoot themselves in the foot as they just shotgunned that fucker off. Here's hoping this is the first step on the road to recovery for both the US and UK. 
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NewMars posted:Soft Brexit is political suicide. Hard brexit is political suicide, brexit in general is political suicide. Which is why its great the Tories are going to be forced to do it, but wont have the power to do anything else. It really is the best result possible.
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What if the EU changes it's name to the UK? Will a fake Brexit have been achieved then?
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qhat posted:What's the odds on another GE within a year? 6 months? Sooner? I doubt it. Corbyn would have enough of a mandate to actually vote down another election and tell them to just get on with their loving jobs.
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:Gillard is also a very, very different politician from the Tory bench. Who amongst them is going to work a coalition and handle the incredibly complex domestic and international political negotiation that has to be balanced and managed? It's also notable that the Austrlian MSM revisionist narrative has been that the Gillard government was a failure which it certainly was not, particularly in reference to the GFC. The conservatives have bent as far as to invent "good debt" and "bad debt" since, but they adamantly refuse to learn the lessons of that opposition time because they won afterwards.
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My constituency stayed tory, but we reduced their lead down by almost half from what it was last time. You tried Filton
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qhat posted:What's the odds on another GE within a year? 6 months? Sooner? Guaranteed, extremely likely, somewhat likely. They'll try to make it work for a bit but it's going to be hard as hell because there are parts of both the DUP and the Tories that won't accept either a soft Brexit or a hard one. (BTW, nobody should hope for hard Brexit at any point. Britain and Europe do not need the Troubles to restart.)
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