EU Politics: I miss Renaults(don't make fun of me)

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throw to first DAMN IT: Apr 10, 2007; This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures

Pinch Me Im Meming posted:

Has the UK just unfucked itself?

No, it appears to still be full of british.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 23:03

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Pinch Me Im Meming: Jun 26, 2005

throw to first drat IT posted:

No, it appears to still be full of british.

Bummer.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 23:04

khwarezm: Oct 26, 2010; Deal with it.

I'm sure the Conservatives will convince the Liberal Democrats to join them in government because the Lib Dems are massive idiots.

# ? Jun 8, 2017 23:08

Decius: Oct 14, 2005; Ramrod XTreme

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Has the UK just unfucked itself?
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No, at worst the Tories need another idiot to help them do all their bullshit. Not enough to credibly say "people didn't really wanted what they did". Also why did the SNP lose that many seats?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 04:22

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Decius posted:

No, at worst the Tories need another idiot to help them do all their bullshit. Not enough to credibly say "people didn't really wanted what they did". Also why did the SNP lose that many seats?

From what people were saying in the scotpol thread, they were basically bound to lose seats, simply due to doing really well the last time. Scottish Labour going against Corbyn might have swung things enough to put Tories on top in a lot of places in Scotland, on top of that.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 06:00

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

https://twitter.com/MartinSchulz/status/873070061908402176

hahahahaha

get hosed St. Martin.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 08:00

Antifa Poltergeist: Jun 3, 2004; "We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"

Schulz:please corbyn-San tell me your secrets for youth mobilisation.
Corbyn:SOCIALISM
Schultz:ohhhh myyyyyy

# ? Jun 9, 2017 10:15

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

ChainsawCharlie posted:

Schulz:please corbyn-San tell me your secrets for youth mobilisation.
Corbyn:SOCIALISM
Schultz:ohhhh myyyyyy

If you look at the actual seats won by Labor, it's quite obvious that Theresa May and Hard Brexit were the reasons that Labor managed the comeback and if you want to have the polar opposite to the Theresa May style of government and campaigning you would have to look for a male Angela Merkel.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 10:21

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

the irony of theresa may in bed with the loving dup after banging on the ira scare all campaign

# ? Jun 9, 2017 10:22

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Kurtofan posted:

the irony of theresa may in bed with the loving dup after banging on the ira scare all campaign

Isn't the DUP the mortal enemy of the IRA? So it kinda makes sense.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 10:29

Antifa Poltergeist: Jun 3, 2004; "We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"

GaussianCopula posted:

If you look at the actual seats won by Labor, it's quite obvious that Theresa May and Hard Brexit were the reasons that Labor managed the comeback and if you want to have the polar opposite to the Theresa May style of government and campaigning you would have to look for a male Angela Merkel.

Im always on the lookout for a male angela merkel,please dont kinkshame.
Also by early acounts corbyn won the youth vote by 44 points. With a turnout of 70%.you can bet your rear end thats one of the main reasons 27 seats flipped back to labour and any politician worth his salt will be looking at those kind of numbers and drooling.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 10:30

SA_Avenger: Oct 22, 2012

The Belgian posted:

You are a bad, bad person.

Napoleon is to blame for the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire and therefore the worst.

Charlemagne: Restores the glory of the Roman Empire
Napoleon: Destroys the Roman Empire

Arguably Napoleon was against bank holding debt of the states and anti English trade hegemony which lead to capitalism. UK has been the main source of European problems for so long and should have let him do his thing :p

# ? Jun 9, 2017 10:34

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

ChainsawCharlie posted:

Im always on the lookout for a male angela merkel,please dont kinkshame.
Also by early acounts corbyn won the youth vote by 44 points. With a turnout of 70%.you can bet your rear end thats one of the main reasons 27 seats flipped back to labour and any politician worth his salt will be looking at those kind of numbers and drooling.

You mean the youth vote that favored remain by a large margin and who were very motivated by the fact that Brexit happened because they didn't turn out?

Additional there are some very British problems (extremely high tuition fees) that simply don't exist in Germany.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 10:37

unpacked robinhood: Feb 18, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

So May is weakened, and ? Is the EU going to go easy on them because they didn't really mean it after all, or are they still going to go gently caress themselves regardless in 2 years ?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 11:17

Futuresight: Oct 11, 2012; IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

GaussianCopula posted:

You mean the youth vote that favored remain by a large margin and who were very motivated by the fact that Brexit happened because they didn't turn out?

Additional there are some very British problems (extremely high tuition fees) that simply don't exist in Germany.

I think you should pull another piece of paper from the anti-left excuses hat and post that one instead. This one isn't very convincing.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 11:18

Mikl: Nov 8, 2009; Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

the electoral law, for real this time. Renzi said that "there will be no more deals with the Five Star Movement after they backstabbed us on a done deal, so now instead of voting in autumn we'll vote in spring." Let's see what happens.

Also, I kinda-sorta forgot to mention this in my previous posts, but there was an investigation ongoing on Tiziano Renzi, Matteo Renzi's father, who was accused of exerting "undue influence" to get an advantage in business. Well, turns out he didn't, actually. All the tapes that were leaked to the press were one-sided interpretation from one of the investigators whom, for whatever reason^*, wanted Tiziano Renzi to get accused.

* not being sarcastic here, it's clear the investigator did it but why is still up in the air.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 11:23

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Futuresight posted:

I think you should pull another piece of paper from the anti-left excuses hat and post that one instead. This one isn't very convincing.

If you look at the current voting trends in Europe it's very clear that the extremist positions are losing steam and there is a rush to the center. In this case Labor, especially the local MPs, were seen as the more rational/pro-European choice and got voted for, given that voters were very aware that there is almost no chance that Corbyn becomes PM.

I mean you can now celebrate this as victory* for the Communist revolution if that makes you feel better, but that makes you look like the Trumpists who thought he would lead the populist-nationalist-protectionist revolution, without actually being in power.

* actually the government will now consist of the Conservatives and DUP, not exactly communists

# ? Jun 9, 2017 11:31

Futuresight: Oct 11, 2012; IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

This is nothing less than a complete repudiation of the idea that leftist politics and policy are electorally non-viable in the modern era and that the centre holds all the answers. We can get down and dirty on exact policy positions and relative merit of actual positions all you like. I don't expect people to have had a big old seen the light moment on actual leftist policies, but anybody still arguing that leftism should be discarded out of hand due to viability is being either dense or dishonest as gently caress.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 11:42

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

EU response to the UK election by Politico.

quote:

EU's Juncker tells UK 'we are ready' to start Brexit talks

PRAGUE � European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told Britain on Friday the EU was ready to commence Brexit talks and he hoped the U.K. would be able to form a government as soon as possible.

�We are ready to start negotiations,� Juncker told POLITICO on the sidelines at a conference in Prague. �I hope that the British will be able to form as soon as possible a stable government. I don�t think that things now have become easier but we are ready.�

Juncker�s comments reflect consensus among EU leaders that the best way to restore stability is to get the Brexit talks under way quickly and work towards the March 2019 deadline for Britain to leave the European Union.

There is also a hint of Schadenfreude about the fate of Prime Minister Theresa May�s Conservatives, who put themselves in this dilemma by calling a referendum on membership of the EU in the first place. The Tories lost their majority in Thursday�s snap elections, which May had called in a bid to strengthen her mandate.

Separately, the EU�s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said the talks should only begin when the country is ready, pushing back against some senior European politicians who want to stick to the current timetable, under which talks with the U.K. are due to begin this month.

�#Brexit negotiations should start when UK is ready; timetable and EU positions are clear,� tweeted Barnier. �Let�s put our minds together on striking a deal.�

Senior officials in Brussels had welcomed May�s decision in April to call the elections, in the hope that it would bring clarity and predictability to the Brexit talks and give her the political strength to make decisions that might be unpopular at home. However, May�s gamble went disastrously wrong.

�The clock is running for #Brexit,� tweeted Manfred Weber, the German MEP who leads the largest bloc in the European Parliament, the center-right European People�s Party. �That means the U.K. urgently needs a government that can negotiate. The date of the start of negotiations is uncertain now.�

In a sign of evident denial still gripping May�s government, a senior British official telephoned Juncker�s chief-of-staff, Martin Selmayr, on Friday morning and suggested that London and Brussels would be able to stick with the expected timetable for the Brexit talks. That assertion left EU officials rolling their eyes.

�We don�t know when Brexit talks start. We know when they must end,� tweeted Donald Tusk, president of the European Council.

Pierre Moscovici, European commissioner for economic and financial affairs, said on French radio that although the U.K. elections �were not about a new Brexit referendum,� the results would certainly have �impact on the spirit of the negotiations.� However, the Brexit talks would have to go ahead and the Commission would stick to the March 2019 deadline for Britain leaving the EU, he said.

French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe told French radio that he now expected the Brexit talks to be �be long and complicated, we should not fool ourselves.�

That was also the view of G�nther Oettinger, the EU�s German budget commissioner, who said �mistakes were made� in May�s campaign but denied that he was enjoying the spectacle. �Schadenfreude? No, why? Leaving aside that this is a disaster for the Tories and that no one knows what comes next, we need a functioning government that can negotiate Great Britain�s exit,� he told German radio.

�The referendum still stands. No one is questioning it. The British will push ahead with the negotiations but with a weakened negotiating partner there�s a danger that the talks don�t go well for either side.�

# ? Jun 9, 2017 11:47

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

GaussianCopula posted:

* actually the government will now consist of the Conservatives and DUP, not exactly communists

GC you're forgetting how deeply dysfunctional the House of Commons is. Theresa May called this election because she was afraid that her small majority could become a non-majority if even just a few of her MP's were to be unhappy about how the Brexit negotiations are going. The situation she's now setting herself up for is the even shakier variant of what she already had. Also, Labour expanded their vote share by almost 10% of the population under Corbyn. You can personally wave that away if you want but for the rest of us that is a pretty clear indication.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 11:49

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

MiddleOne posted:

GC you're forgetting how deeply dysfunctional the House of Commons is. Theresa May called this election because she was afraid that her small majority could become a non-majority if even just a few of her MP's were to be unhappy about how the Brexit negotiations are going. The situation she's now setting herself up for is the even shakier variant of what she already had. Also, Labour expanded their vote share by almost 10% of the population under Corbyn. You can personally wave that away if you want but for the rest of us that is a pretty clear indication.

Indication of what? That there 50% of the UK are not in favor of Brexit and the numbers are even worse for leaving the single market and ending freedom of movement, policies Theresa May campaigned on? That you can't campaign on forcing old people to sell their houses? That someone who cut police numbers will look very bad in the direct aftermath of terrorist attacks? Or that you shouldn't flip-flop on numerous issues while portraying yourself as a "strong and stable" leaders?

I'm sure those issues have nothing to do with the results and it's all the Labor Manifesto.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 12:00

Futuresight: Oct 11, 2012; IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

That's a good point. We can see this reflected in how May's disastrous campaign stands in stark contrast to the masterful error and flip-flop free campaign of Trump. It's definitely the competence of the campaigns that is the main reason these campaigns performed opposite to each other compared to their respective expectations.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 12:11

GABA ghoul: Oct 29, 2011

I hear May is crying like a little bitch and Marxists are dancing in the streets; gulags will be introduced shortly. Good job everyone, congratulations!

Also, I can't decide what's funnier: Trump bumbling around and failing due to his horrible incompetence and laziness or Tories failing due to constantly getting tangled up in all their devious 99 dimensional schemes

# ? Jun 9, 2017 12:23

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/tinyrevolution/status/873031458125787148

:allears:

# ? Jun 9, 2017 12:46

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

GaussianCopula posted:

Indication of what? That there 50% of the UK are not in favor of Brexit and the numbers are even worse for leaving the single market and ending freedom of movement, policies Theresa May campaigned on? That you can't campaign on forcing old people to sell their houses? That someone who cut police numbers will look very bad in the direct aftermath of terrorist attacks? Or that you shouldn't flip-flop on numerous issues while portraying yourself as a "strong and stable" leaders?

I'm sure those issues have nothing to do with the results and it's all the Labor Manifesto.

All the 18-14 yos turned out due to their strong feelings about police budgetary issues.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 13:17

Wild Horses: Oct 31, 2012; There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.

Mikl posted:

the electoral law, for real this time. Renzi said that "there will be no more deals with the Five Star Movement after they backstabbed us on a done deal, so now instead of voting in autumn we'll vote in spring." Let's see what happens.

Also, I kinda-sorta forgot to mention this in my previous posts, but there was an investigation ongoing on Tiziano Renzi, Matteo Renzi's father, who was accused of exerting "undue influence" to get an advantage in business. Well, turns out he didn't, actually. All the tapes that were leaked to the press were one-sided interpretation from one of the investigators whom, for whatever reason^*, wanted Tiziano Renzi to get accused.

* not being sarcastic here, it's clear the investigator did it but why is still up in the air.

i hope the PD makes it out of this on top. it's 100% better than the alternative

# ? Jun 9, 2017 17:51

Fiction: Apr 28, 2011

GaussianCopula posted:

Indication of what? That there 50% of the UK are not in favor of Brexit and the numbers are even worse for leaving the single market and ending freedom of movement, policies Theresa May campaigned on? That you can't campaign on forcing old people to sell their houses? That someone who cut police numbers will look very bad in the direct aftermath of terrorist attacks? Or that you shouldn't flip-flop on numerous issues while portraying yourself as a "strong and stable" leaders?

I'm sure those issues have nothing to do with the results and it's all the Labor Manifesto.

You are completely 100% wrong on this because Labour got more of the UKIP vote share than most people predicted they would. They also won a handful of Leave-majority seats from the tories.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 18:29

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

I've looked at the electoral brochures for the :france:

l�gislatives, and there's one that says Les Insoumis avec Jean-Luc M�lenchon and it's the list of the PCF. There's another brochure for the actual France Insoumise candidates.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 19:18

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Junior G-man posted:

EU response to the UK election by Politico.

pictured: Theresa May right now

# ? Jun 9, 2017 19:23

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Cat Mattress posted:

I've looked at the electoral brochures for the l�gislatives, and there's one that says Les Insoumis avec Jean-Luc M�lenchon and it's the list of the PCF. There's another brochure for the actual France Insoumise candidates.

Jesus loving christ the gall

What about the ballots? Do they also have "France Insoumise" or the logo on them?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 19:44

Pinch Me Im Meming: Jun 26, 2005

This sunday I'm voting for actual communists instead of FI to teach Melenchon a lesson.

The lesson is that he should shut the gently caress up.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 20:21

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

GaussianCopula posted:

If you look at the current voting trends in Europe it's very clear that the extremist positions are losing steam and there is a rush to the center. In this case Labor, especially the local MPs, were seen as the more rational/pro-European choice and got voted for, given that voters were very aware that there is almost no chance that Corbyn becomes PM.

Hello hi British socialist here, I'm guessing you're the Europol Pissflaps.

Are you actually trying to convince anyone that Jeremy Corbyn's Labour is in some loving way a rush to the centre? Because jesus loving Christ that's laughable.

If the public and the young wanted Remain and centrism they would have voted Lib Dem, who made Remain the centrepiece of their campaign, as opposed to Labour who have committed to 'Brexit but not as bad as the Tories'. They didn't. Sorry for you, but this is actually and for real a vote for socialism and if the rest of our continent follows suit then more power to them.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 20:43

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

oh my god I went to high school with the LR suppl�ant in my constituency

# ? Jun 9, 2017 20:52

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

Famous remain enthusiast Jeremy Corbyn, who was roundly criticised for not being enthusiastic enough in the Remain campaign, criticised further for three line whipping in favour of the Article 50 act, and who has said whenever asked that Labour will enact Brexit. I'm sure his anti Brexit stance is exactly what inspired young people to vote for him .

# ? Jun 9, 2017 20:54

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

Cat Mattress posted:

I've looked at the electoral brochures for the l�gislatives, and there's one that says Les Insoumis avec Jean-Luc M�lenchon and it's the list of the PCF. There's another brochure for the actual France Insoumise candidates.

how is that legal?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 21:10

Toplowtech: Aug 31, 2004

Barbe Rouge posted:

how is that legal?

It's not. There are pretty severe fines for that kind of fuckery. They are probably playing with some borderline legal poo poo to create confusion like it's "les insoumis" not "France Insoumise" and maybe there was a group like that in the PC with M�lenchon in it a long time ago. It could still cause them a lot of troubles.
Edit: also according to the OBS there were tons of problems with the tracts' distribution.

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 9, 2017

# ? Jun 9, 2017 21:18

throw to first DAMN IT: Apr 10, 2007; This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-nato-idUSKBN1902U9

So I guess Trump just committed to the collective defense? He might have even realized himself that he did it. Nice, I guess?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 21:58

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

feedmegin posted:

Hello hi British socialist here, I'm guessing you're the Europol Pissflaps.

Are you actually trying to convince anyone that Jeremy Corbyn's Labour is in some loving way a rush to the centre? Because jesus loving Christ that's laughable.

If the public and the young wanted Remain and centrism they would have voted Lib Dem, who made Remain the centrepiece of their campaign, as opposed to Labour who have committed to 'Brexit but not as bad as the Tories'. They didn't. Sorry for you, but this is actually and for real a vote for socialism and if the rest of our continent follows suit then more power to them.

Jezza was the perfect libdem candidate, and would have gotten an absolute libdem majority. Fight me.

throw to first drat IT posted:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-nato-idUSKBN1902U9

So I guess Trump just committed to the collective defense? He might have even realized himself that he did it. Nice, I guess?

Problem is when any country actually invokes article 5, Trump will probably have forgotten whatever he said last week even if he actually meant it at the time.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 22:04

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Pinch Me Im Meming posted:

This sunday I'm voting for actual communists instead of FI to teach Melenchon a lesson.

The lesson is that he should shut the gently caress up.

So you're voting for LO, then? Because if you're voting for the PCF to vote for "actual communists", lol

# ? Jun 9, 2017 23:10

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Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

Toplowtech posted:

They are probably playing with some borderline legal poo poo to create confusion like it's "les insoumis" not "France Insoumise"

Yep! They aren't using the "phi" logo nor the name "France Insoumise". They are, however, using the same slogan. As for the actual ballots -- I don't know, it wasn't in the envelope. I've got 14 tracts, but only 8 ballots, so 6 parties are missing. There are other people using this kind of fuckery, something calling itself "mouvement des progressistes" is trying to look like they're the Macron-approved candidates of centrism and modernity, even though there is an official R�publique en March� list.

Here, I've cropped the relevant bits from the tract with my trusty potato. Top: PCF/Front de Gauche; bottom: M�luchistas

It's borderline illegible, but they claim they have the support of "des insoumis", whatever that means.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 23:42

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