UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed.
Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

are there any hot takes on whether the Lords are bound by the Salisbury convention when no manifesto got a majority

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:15

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# ? May 14, 2024 17:53

Gort: Aug 18, 2003; Good day what ho cup of tea

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:16

NoneMoreNegative: Jul 20, 2000; GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN MASTER

shit wizard dad

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Also Brexit still needs to happen, so lol at whoever gets stuck with it. If anything everyone should be hoping the coalition holds together for the next 2 years.

Yeah the more you look at it the more this is p. much the best outcome; massively defanged Tories still have to own Brexit and all its failings, empowered Labour can sit on the sidelines going lol and flicking peanuts at May.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:16

SkySteak: Sep 9, 2010

Don't mind if I do!

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:17

staberind: Feb 20, 2008; but i dont wanna be a spaceship; Fun Shoe

tekz posted:

So why's everyone so happy?

may is in pain.
she has to form a coalition with cavemen.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:17

Fiction: Apr 28, 2011

Also having to actually do Brexit is the most poisoned of poisoned chalices.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:17

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Trin Tragula posted:

In line with the renaming of the Conservative Party to "Theresa May and her Team", I move that this new government be known as the "Maydup Government"

I reckon that's gonna be a headline before too long.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:19

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

I would not be at all surprised if the Queen disliked Tories. They're basically the nouveau riche party. Fawning and awful, always trying to pretend they have the aristocratic blood of their betters. A socialist jam man at least wouldn't be saccharine, (only fructose).

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:19

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG: Mar 2, 2005

https://twitter.com/BAKKOOONN/status/873055428564852736

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:20

Loving Africa Chaps: Dec 3, 2007; We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

So labour has to prepare for the next election that's almost certain to happen within 2 years so how does it prepare best?

There are some razor thin majorities out there for the taking and imo corbyn needs to step in and effectively take over scotlab. SNP currently have no purpose and while they're soul searching for what they are going to stand for its prime time to prepare to take a bunch of seats off them.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:24

ookiimarukochan: Apr 4, 2011

Trin Tragula posted:

In line with the renaming of the Conservative Party to "Theresa May and her Team", I move that this new government be known as the "Maydup Government"

Now that Theresa's started talking about the "Conservative & Unionist Party" (someone needs to tell her that's not been the name since 1965) I suggest that we talk about "Conservative and UNionist Theresa may Supporters" instead.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:24

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

I would not be at all surprised if the Queen disliked Tories. They're basically the nouveau riche party. Fawning and awful, always trying to pretend they have the aristocratic blood of their betters. A socialist jam man at least wouldn't be saccharine, (only fructose).

...you mean, like the Royals?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:25

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Is there much cultural flow between the Scottish and 'UK' party? Given the PLP has fallen in line will that suggest ScotLab will too?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:26

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/873180421802086400

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:26

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Conservative and Onionist party, chutney/jam supremacy.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:26

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

coffeetable posted:

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/873180421802086400

hopefully tehy just poo poo on greyling the entire time

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:27

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

coffeetable posted:

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/873180421802086400

I'll put money on Armando just laughing constantly from the minute he walks in to the minute he walks out, not responding to anything.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:27

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

coffeetable posted:

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/873180421802086400

Oh my lord thats quite the lineup

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:27

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

I'll put money on Armando just laughing constantly from the minute he walks in to the minute he walks out, not responding to anything.

THOMAS THE WANK ENGINE on repeat

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:28

a neurotic ai: Mar 22, 2012

coffeetable posted:

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/873180421802086400

Why do Tories all look like.. well tories? That Grayling chap looks like loving Mr Creedy from V for Vendetta.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:28

BigRed0427: Mar 23, 2007; There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Gort posted:

Doesn't this guy get shot in the junk by Jamie Fox?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:28

Halisnacks: Jul 18, 2009

Is there likely to be a cabinet reshuffle, or would that play against the ~~stability~~ certainty rhetoric?

If there were a reshuffle, could the DUP get a position?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:28

Android Blues: Nov 22, 2008

Isabel Oakeshott is going to have some spicy, hideous takes for sure.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:29

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Ocrassus posted:

Why do Tories all look like.. well tories? That Grayling chap looks like loving Mr Creedy from V for Vendetta.

The saying "The poor wear on their bodies what the rich wear on their souls" is correct but it neglects to mention that the soul rot also has physical signs.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:29

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

BigRed0427 posted:

Doesn't this guy get shot in the junk by Jamie Fox?

I believe that is Jeremy Corbyn's head on Geralt of Rivia's body. But I might be mistaken.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:29

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

BigRed0427 posted:

Doesn't this guy get shot in the junk by Jamie Fox?

No, that's noted good dad, Geralt of Rivia.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:30

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

BigRed0427 posted:

Doesn't this guy get shot in the junk by Jamie Fox?

Thats from The Witcher 3

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:30

Gort: Aug 18, 2003; Good day what ho cup of tea

Halisnacks posted:

Is there likely to be a cabinet reshuffle, or would that play against the ~~stability~~ certainty rhetoric?

If there were a reshuffle, could the DUP get a position?

There has to be a cabinet reshuffle. Reason being, some of the current cabinet are no longer MPs as of this morning.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:31

Covok: May 27, 2013; Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Can I get the final breakdown on Thresa May's folly? How many seats did she lose and to who?

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:31

Jeherrin: Jun 7, 2012

Campbell is going to eviscerate Grayling.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:31

Gort: Aug 18, 2003; Good day what ho cup of tea

Covok posted:

Can I get the final breakdown on Thresa May's folly? How many seats did she lose and to who?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:32

NRVNQSR: Mar 1, 2009

Halisnacks posted:

Is there likely to be a cabinet reshuffle, or would that play against the ~~stability~~ certainty rhetoric?

If there were a reshuffle, could the DUP get a position?

There has to be some kind of reshuffle because some ministers lost their seats. I don't think DUP ministers are likely, though, since it still seems like a coalition is off the table and you don't get ministers just for confidence+supply.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:33

DesperateDan: Dec 10, 2005; Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

tekz posted:

So why's everyone so happy?

May called the election hoping for a landslide victory against a destroyed labour party, by the most popular tory leader ever. Instead she entirely bollocks up the entire campaign to the point she no longer commands a majority, and even with the DUP has a majority of gently caress all if any tory rebels want to stir poo poo- or a possible by election due to electoral fraud, or an mp corks it e.t.c. Meanwhile, labour have had one of the most stunning turnarounds in electoral history, with a resulting change in public opinion. Tories are sharpening the knives to stab each other in the back because they just watched how bad may hosed things and see her as a massive loving liability to be gotten rid of, and there's a lot of scores to be settled within the tory party.

I'm really happy because the tories are hosed over hard. May is dead walking at this point, the tories are taking an kicking in the press and the much vaunted "hard brexit" is loving limp and useless.

I predict and anticipate another election, because jez we fukken well can

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:33

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

I did not know you used to be a leninist even pragmatically. Surprising. Figured you were always a syndie.

I was always really uncomfortable with the hierarchical aspect, but thought that a structured democratic centralism would at least be an efficient means of getting poo poo done. The reality in the CPB (not the ML one) was the exact opposite - they were a bunch of cliquey moribund pub-dwellers who never got engaged with anything outside of their own little circle. I already knew a few anarchists and nondenominational communists through Antifa and my experience alongside them, seeing their real community engagement was a really positive experience that made me do a lot of rethinking.

Malatesta wrote a really good essay a hundred years ago called "Let Us Go To The People" which probably encapsulates my current thinking perfectly. I don't know if it's ever been put online, but I'll quote a little bit because I think it's still very relevant when discussing the attitude of small, insular vanguardist parties, and what should be done instead:

Malatesta posted:

The main reason for our shortcomings is the isolation into which we have primarily fallen.
For a gamut of reasons, following the break-up of the International, anarchists lost touch with the masses and were gradually whittled down to tiny groups solely preoccupied with endless discussions and, alas! tearing one another to shreds or, at best waging little warfare against the legalitarian socialists.
On a number of occasions, an effort was made to rectify this situation, with varying degrees of success. But just when it looked as if we might resume serious, broad-based endeavors, up popped a few comrades who, due to a wrong-headed intransigence, made a virtue of isolation and-aided and abetted by the laziness and timidity of so many others, who found such "theory" a handy excuse for doing nothing and taking no risks - successfully steered us back into impotence.
Thanks to the handiwork of those comrades - many of whom are driven by the best of intentions - propaganda work and organising have been rendered impossible,

You want to join a workers' association? Be damned! That association has a president, statutes, and does not swear by the anarchist message. Any good anarchist should avoid it like the plague.

You want to establish a workers' association to get them used to solidarity against the bosses? Treachery! A good anarchist should only ever enter into association with anarchist believers, meaning he should always keep the company of the same comrades, and if he must found associations, all he can do is bestow different names upon a group made up of the same people every time.

You are to organise and support strikes? Bamboozlement, palliatives!

Trying your hand at demonstrations and popular campaign? Tomfoolery!

In short the only thing one is allowed to do by way of propaganda is the odd talk, unattended by the public unless it is drawn in by the speaker's exceptional gifts of oratory; some printed matter, always read by the same circle of folk; and man-toman propaganda, if you can find somebody prepared to hear you out. That plus a lot of waffle about revolution - a revolution that, preached in this way, ends up like the Catholic paradise, a promise for the hereafter, that lulls you into a blessed inertia as long as you believe, and leaves you skeptical and selfish, once the faith evaporates.

And in the meantime the people around us stir and follow other persuasions. This is a lethal tactic, tantamount to suicide. The revolution is not made behind closed doors. Isolated individuals and groups can carry out a little propaganda; audacious coups de main, bombings and such like, if done astutely (rarely the case) can draw public attention to the woes of the workers and to our ideas, may earn us the cachet of the people's avengers, and rid us of some mighty hindrance, but the revolution comes only once the people have taken to the streets. And if we want to make it we have to win over the crowd, as much of a crowd as we can.

Revolution, of the sort we have in mind, should be the start of active, direct, genuine participation by the masses, which is to say, by everybody in the community, in the organising and running of the life of society.

I think every criticism in that passage can be applied to most of the hard line groups today whether they're socialist, communist, or anarchist. They bottle themselves up get high off the stench of their own ideological purity, and wonder why they never get anything done - never realising that the only way to make any progress towards building a better, freer society, is to work out in the world with real people, instead of sneering at them. If you want an example of this lovely, wrong-headed attitude in the wild:

Why I'm Still Not Voting :jerkbag:

Incidentally, the FAI in Spain had to confront exactly these sorts of issues - they were an informal group of some fairly hardline Anarcho-Syndics in the CNT Union which was in the process of drifting towards the centre. Rather than break off and form a ridiculous little hardline grouplet they stayed within the CNT and fought for an Anarcho-Syndicalist platform, and they can take quite a bit of the credit for the CNT grassroots keeping the union radical while its officials and presidents were trying to drag the organisation rightwards, and in the end it was the CNT that mobilised tens of thousands of people into the anarchist militias that gave Franco a bloody good hiding for a while.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:34

Sloth Life: Nov 15, 2014; Built for comfort and speed!; Fallen Rib

My constituency remains conservative boooo but chaos rings, yay. How prescient "coalition of Chaos" turned out to be!

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:36

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

did anyone figure out where Phil Hammond's been for the last two months

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:36

Henry Black: Jun 27, 2004; If she's not making this face, you're not doing it right.; Fun Shoe

Loving Africa Chaps posted:

So labour has to prepare for the next election that's almost certain to happen within 2 years so how does it prepare best?

There are some razor thin majorities out there for the taking and imo corbyn needs to step in and effectively take over scotlab. SNP currently have no purpose and while they're soul searching for what they are going to stand for its prime time to prepare to take a bunch of seats off them.

A constitutional convention was already in the manifesto, so presumably push it hard and let people extrapolate that Labour is in favour of Devo Max or some sort of federalism? Something that's "good enough" for lots of borderline nats.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:36

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lol

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/09/tories-politics-of-fear-lynton-crosby-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may

quote:

This strategy was especially disrespectful to the electorate on the eve of negotiations with Europe that will shape our country for decades. Yes, Labour was little better � which makes it all the sadder they ousted former Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, our strongest voice opposing Brexit.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:37

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Loving Africa Chaps posted:

So labour has to prepare for the next election that's almost certain to happen within 2 years so how does it prepare best?

There are some razor thin majorities out there for the taking and imo corbyn needs to step in and effectively take over scotlab. SNP currently have no purpose and while they're soul searching for what they are going to stand for its prime time to prepare to take a bunch of seats off them.

the lesson, for good or ill, that Corbyn's team took away from #bettertogether is that the Tories care much more about unionism, but conversely it is Labour that risks getting burned. It will take some time for this wisdom to be overturned.

the current electoral calculus is in Labour's favour, in the sense that the SNP will be punished by its supporters for propping up a Tory government in Westminster, and so will not dare to fail to support Labour in coalition. This sort of calculation is immensely dangerous ofc (once upon a time the Liberals were the only and natural allies of Labour, too; nobody likes being taken for granted) but you might see why Corbyn might hesitate to use the political capital of his moment of triumph to re-invade Scotland. Rewards are poor, risks are high.

I do agree that he should do something, but I have no idea what he can do. Part of "no, ScotLab is not just a branch office" is "the Leader cannot just snap his fingers and replace Kezia Dugdale".

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

communism bitch posted:

Effort.

I feel like that's similar for me, cos I'd probably say that communism, socialism, and anarchism are all good solutions to slightly different problems, and that I'll pragmatically support whichever seems like it will help and be workable. If we had an unstable state then anarchism would make a lot of sense to me, as we have a strong state it seems more practical to use it to do some good, if we lived in an advanced socialist society it would make sense to try to transition it into self sustaining and governing communes as much as possible.

# ? Jun 9, 2017 15:38

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