|
But the best deck in modern is a control deck
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 04:38
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 08:02 |
|
|
The only good Magic player is a dead one, I always say.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 04:42
|
|
|
myDad posted:But the best deck in modern is a control deck It is actually an aggro control deck or a tempo deck which means
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 05:17
|
|
|
Pontius Pilate posted:It is actually an aggro control deck or a tempo deck which means What deck archetype is "winning the die roll" ?
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 06:33
|
|
|
A big flaming stink posted:What deck archetype is "winning the die roll" ? Gotta win the flip so you can thoughtsieze their thoughtsieze.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 06:36
|
|
|
I went to look up some lists and oh wow there's Gideon of the Trials in a few
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 06:57
|
|
|
A big flaming stink posted:What deck archetype is "winning the die roll" ? Vintage.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 07:56
|
|
|
TheKingofSprings posted:I went to look up some lists and oh wow there's Gideon of the Trials in a few Yeah, people will try anything. I really don't know what that card is supposed to do, especially in a control deck. Gain you 4 life? YggdrasilTM posted:Vintage. lol
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 09:08
|
|
|
suicidesteve posted:Yeah, people will try anything. I really don't know what that card is supposed to do, especially in a control deck. Gain you 4 life? It's supposed to give you an emblem which makes Gideon, Ally of Zendikar even dumber than it already was.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 14:31
|
|
|
suicidesteve posted:Yeah, people will try anything. I really don't know what that card is supposed to do, especially in a control deck. Gain you 4 life? Makes it so you can't die vs Ad Nauseum?
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 14:42
|
|
|
TheKingofSprings posted:Makes it so you can't die vs Ad Nauseum? Is it the only deck that its good against? I don't think silver bullets against ad nauseum is worth a sideboard slot.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 14:44
|
|
|
Sickening posted:Is it the only deck that its good against? I don't think silver bullets against ad nauseum is worth a sideboard slot. Ad Nauseum is apparently the deck's worst matchup so it might be worth it? It's fine against most decks that aren't packing red too.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 15:00
|
|
|
Ouch But for real some weird UWx builds keep popping up as 5-0s. A couple people have started showing up to FNM with Restore Balance/As Foretold decks.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 15:01
|
|
|
Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Just run Enchanted Evening, Mycosynth Lattice, March of the Machines, Opalescence, Conspiracy (for Saproling), Life and Limb, Living Lands, and then play Ghostly Flicker and try to figure out what the gently caress just happened. All of your cards are 1/1 Forest Saproling Enchantment Artifact Land Creatures and you flicker two of them? The only thing I'm not clear on is whether they are green (because of Life and Limb) or colorless (because of Mycosynth Lattice), and if all your actual land cards will die as a state-based action because they temporarily become 0/0 creatures if you flicker Life and Limb and Living Lands specifically (are state-based conditions checked during resolution of a spell, or after the spell finishes resolving) St0rmD fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Jun 9, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 15:42
|
|
|
TheKingofSprings posted:Ad Nauseum is apparently the deck's worst matchup so it might be worth it? It's fine against most decks that aren't packing red too. I'm not sure how it beats Ad Nauseam tbh first of all you need to playing against someone who doesn't bring in Echoing Truth, and then you need to also have some way to beat lightning storm to kill gideon with a labman followup Jabor fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jun 9, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 15:53
|
|
|
St0rmD posted:All of your cards are 1/1 Forest Saproling Enchantment Artifact Land Creatures and you flicker two of them? For the first, it's based on timestamp order. For the second, state based actions are only checked when a player would receive priority. Though, there are targets you can pick for ghostly flicker to destroy all lands here (if they weren't already).
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 15:59
|
|
|
Jabor posted:I'm not sure how it beats Ad Nauseam tbh game 1 they might not have echoing truth and storm + labman is a shitload of mana but yea a lot of people are dumb and don't realize that if a good ad nauseam player is capable of drawing their entire deck, you're probably dead no matter what
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 16:07
|
|
|
little munchkin posted:game 1 they might not have echoing truth and storm + labman is a shitload of mana oh this is maindeck? that seems even worse. it's not even a "shitload of mana" though, like if ad nauseam is going off turn 4 they can play their 4th land, pitch spirit guides to lightning storm gideon, and then pass the turn with a hand of angel's grace, lab man, cantrip, untapped land, 3x pact of negation and you somehow have to fight through all of those to stop them winning next turn
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 16:11
|
|
|
Announcement week Monday: Rosewater's article on standard and announcement on changes to sets going forward Tuesday: Magic Digital and B&R announcements Wednesday: Announcement of new products Thursday: Organized play announcement for 2018 Friday: HoD preview stream from Vegas
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 16:41
|
|
|
Tainen posted:Announcement week This is going to be good.  I'm excited to see what they believe is going to fix Standard.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 16:44
|
|
|
BJPaskoff posted:This is going to be good. Their fix is that you have to throw all of your cards that rotate out of Standard into the trash. You can mail them in for a Magic Planeswalker™ Voucher at one dollar per 1,000 cards sent in (customer pays for shipping costs) that can be used on Magic Puzzle Quest or Magic Duels. Please allow 4-6 weeks for processing. Cards opened from packs of Iconic Masters, Commander 2017, Commander Anthology, and all other supplemental sets must be destroyed by fire after purchase. Containers of limited edition Purifying Fire™ featuring artwork of Chandra may be purchased for $6.66 at authorized Wizards retailers.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:08
|
|
|
BJPaskoff posted:This is going to be good. I laugh at people who still cling the idea that standard is fine right now.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:10
|
|
|
Tainen posted:Announcement week Well that's ominous.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:12
|
|
|
BJPaskoff posted:This is going to be good. If they ban anything right before GP Vegas I'm assuming there will be some pissed off people there. Not like there ever is a time when bannings won't piss people off but If they do people will be scrambling to the vendors at Vegas for cards to play in the standard event
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:12
|
|
|
Sickening posted:I laugh at people who still cling the idea that standard is fine right now. It's a touch better now that Felidar Guardian is gone, but Aetherworks Marvel needs to die in a fire. Whatever deck comes out on top after that, like BG Constrictor, won't have the power of a turn-four combo win. Dehtraen posted:If they ban anything right before GP Vegas I'm assuming there will be some pissed off people there. Not like there ever is a time when bannings won't piss people off but If they do people will be scrambling to the vendors at Vegas for cards to play in the standard event They will not have changes to the banlists for Modern and Legacy take effect until after GP Las Vegas. Star Man fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jun 9, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:13
|
|
|
BJPaskoff posted:This is going to be good. People seem to think it's gonna be some sort of core set returning since there were questions about that on one of the recent market research surveys. I wouldn't be surprised to see the spring block be replaced with a core set and a standalone large 'return to ___' set, with the fall/winter sets continuing to be new plane blocks. Dehtraen posted:If they ban anything right before GP Vegas I'm assuming there will be some pissed off people there. Not like there ever is a time when bannings won't piss people off but If they do people will be scrambling to the vendors at Vegas for cards to play in the standard event Vegas is Legacy/Limited/Modern, there's no Standard main event.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:15
|
|
|
When was the last time Standard was good? I quit playing right before they banned Jace and Stoneforge because that was loving dumb, I do remember Alara-Zendikar being fun as gently caress before that by the time RoE came out, but prior to that the field was like 75% stupid Jund decks.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:15
|
|
|
DariusLikewise posted:When was the last time Standard was good? I quit playing right before they banned Jace and Stoneforge because that was loving dumb, I do remember Alara-Zendikar being fun as gently caress before that by the time RoE came out, but prior to that the field was like 75% stupid Jund decks. Theros/M15/KTK I've posted this before, but http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=8770&f=ST All these decks were really good. ShaneB fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jun 9, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:17
|
|
|
DariusLikewise posted:When was the last time Standard was good? I quit playing right before they banned Jace and Stoneforge because that was loving dumb, I do remember Alara-Zendikar being fun as gently caress before that by the time RoE came out, but prior to that the field was like 75% stupid Jund decks. The best standard was rav/tsp or tsp/lor before Morningtide got printed, but the last good one was probably som/inn.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:20
|
|
|
Dehtraen posted:If they ban anything right before GP Vegas I'm assuming there will be some pissed off people there. Not like there ever is a time when bannings won't piss people off but If they do people will be scrambling to the vendors at Vegas for cards to play in the standard event They would be hilariously dumb to announce a new modern/legacy banning right before a GP and not have them become effective the following Monday. So I do actually expect this to happen.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:20
|
|
|
DariusLikewise posted:When was the last time Standard was good? I quit playing right before they banned Jace and Stoneforge because that was loving dumb, I do remember Alara-Zendikar being fun as gently caress before that by the time RoE came out, but prior to that the field was like 75% stupid Jund decks. Never. Nothing about Magic has ever been good. Everything you've ever wanted is a lie. Despair.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:22
|
|
|
Dehtraen posted:If they ban anything right before GP Vegas I'm assuming there will be some pissed off people there. Not like there ever is a time when bannings won't piss people off but If they do people will be scrambling to the vendors at Vegas for cards to play in the standard event The only thing that should be banned from any format right now is Marvel in standard. I swear to god if they gently caress with Modern I'm going to pop a blood vessel. If they arbitrarily decide that Death's Shadow decks need to die they'll ban Street Wraith and pretend like it's the exact same thing as Gitaxian Probe. Storm could also be in the crosshairs because every time someone casts Grapeshot for lethal the timed explosives implanted at the base of every WotC employee's skull ticks down an extra 5 seconds but banning Grapeshot means they just immediately go off.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:22
|
|
|
DariusLikewise posted:When was the last time Standard was good? I quit playing right before they banned Jace and Stoneforge because that was loving dumb, I do remember Alara-Zendikar being fun as gently caress before that by the time RoE came out, but prior to that the field was like 75% stupid Jund decks. Innistrad-RTR and Theros-Khans were the two great Standard formats since then. Both had upwards of a dozen good decks at any given time and good gameplay all around.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:24
|
|
|
DariusLikewise posted:When was the last time Standard was good? I quit playing right before they banned Jace and Stoneforge because that was loving dumb, I do remember Alara-Zendikar being fun as gently caress before that by the time RoE came out, but prior to that the field was like 75% stupid Jund decks. But for real, my favorite part of that year of Standard was when Zendikar was new, people lost their god drat minds that blue was a weak color in the format until Worldwake came out. Though it was fun playing Quenchable Fire and getting in six damage in a single spell for three months. God I miss that version of Red Deck Wins so much. Goblin Guide, Hellspark Elemental, Hell's Thunder, Ball Lightning...
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:28
|
|
|
Anathemancer was an awesome card.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:30
|
|
|
ShaneB posted:Theros/M15/KTK The Shortest Path posted:The best standard was rav/tsp or tsp/lor before Morningtide got printed, but the last good one was probably som/inn. Tales of Woe posted:Innistrad-RTR and Theros-Khans were the two great Standard formats since then. Both had upwards of a dozen good decks at any given time and good gameplay all around. The common theme I think here is Standard is fun when you can play 3+ colors and not have a slow deck and pre-turn 5 combo decks don't exist Star Man posted:But for real, my favorite part of that year of Standard was when Zendikar was new, people lost their god drat minds that blue was a weak color in the format until Worldwake came out. Though it was fun playing Quenchable Fire and getting in six damage in a single spell for three months. I think this is the build you are talking about? http://decks.tcgplayer.com/magic/standard/anthony-eason/red-deck-wins/661068 That deck was incredibly fun to play with and against. I usually ran the LSV Naya deck with Basilisk Collar, Cunning Sparkmage, Stoneforge Mystic and the whole bunch. It got even better with Fuana Shaman which allowed you to pretty much tutor any utility creature in your deck.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:35
|
|
|
ThePeavstenator posted:The only thing that should be banned from any format right now is Marvel in standard. I swear to god if they gently caress with Modern I'm going to pop a blood vessel. I swear to God if they ban anything from the Shadow decks and it's not Shadow itself I give up on WotC. And I'd be fine with Grapeshot and Empty going if it means maybe we can have some stuff unbanned (which it won't but whatever.) Also you forgot Deathrite.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:41
|
|
|
DariusLikewise posted:The common theme I think here is Standard is fun when you can play 3+ colors and not have a slow deck and pre-turn 5 combo decks don't exist Yes but the root of it is choice. When you only push cards that are 2-3 colors you don't end up with one deck that just splashes all the pushed cards it can. Instead you have to make choices on what deck to play and what to incorporate in it and the different choices have different pros and cons. Siege Rhino was really good, but you had to play 3 specific colors and you lost out on the ability to play other really good cards.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:42
|
|
|
The Shortest Path posted:Anathemancer was an awesome card. It's a card that I wish I could play with in Modern to get an effect like Price of Progress with a creature attached to it, but it's probably just better to play Fulminator Mage to pick off utility lands or color splashes in every way.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 08:02 |
|
|
suicidesteve posted:I swear to God if they ban anything from the Shadow decks and it's not Shadow itself I give up on WotC. And I'd be fine with Grapeshot and Empty going if it means maybe we can have some stuff unbanned (which it won't but whatever.) Also you forgot Deathrite. They will only ever ban enablers because that's the axiom they chose and no one with authority at WotC can make judgements on a case-by-case basis. They live in some alternative universe where people are going to play Grapeshot in decks where casting it for a storm count of 6 or 7 is a reasonable play and totally doable if they just ban the right cards. Deathrite probably needs the axe but I doubt WotC is going to touch Legacy and I think Leovold is more egregious anyway.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 17:49
|
|