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Pham Nuwen posted:Edit: to be fully chinathread, one of the tuhaos should have left his car in gear so it could slowly roll off the road as he sprinted in the opposite direction And then his girlfriend would have tried to save the car by jumping in and speed reversing into a small boutique.
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Haier posted:"These popsicles are made out of 100 different sources of polluted water in Taiwan. The people made them want to raise attention of growing water pollution due to urbanization." They river near my house looks like dusty milk with fish spawning in it.
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They would do that in China but the wood would either seep/dissolve in the water.
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Haier posted:Vegetable truck shows up to save the day. That rules
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How much of mainland chinese culture thinking it's ok to let people die in the streets and generally never help strangers is cultural, and how much is due to their hosed up legal system? It seems like if the government made efforts to legally protect "good samaritans" the culture would eventually shift towards not just riding off away from (or finishing off) injured people.
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Even without the chabuduo justice system, this problem would still exist.
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https://www.wired.com/story/photo-of-the-week-china-builds-a-20-road-interchange-from-hell/
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LentThem posted:The big issue with going cashless is that now your ability to pay for meals or taxi after a long day working or being out depends entirely on how much battery your phone has remaining. Nice ending to a 20-minute taxi ride, guess I can't pay you unless I borrow your car charger I mostly lurk this thread because my own China experiences are long over at this point but I could go on for days and days on how full cashless now is as ridiculous a goal as full communism now. It's a technocrat fever dream where everything works all the time, no hackers exist, and governments and corporations are staffed by angels who could never abuse your personal information. I could maybe see a decentralized blockchain-derived technology enabling something like this in a half dozen technical generations, but that's not what China's gone for and not something they're even interested in because it implies their citizens have a right to privacy. It's still one of the leading things to talk about to cyber-worshiping idiots because they've only ever seen a TED talk where a mocked out infrastructure worked instantly and flawlessly. I say this as the owner of a tech startup, incidentally.
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The government knowing exactly where, what, and how much every citizen in the country is purchasing things would be a huge plus a regime like china, or any regime really. I'm sure it ties in nicely with their whole social score thing. Buy the wrong book? Repeatedly shop at a store owned by someone with dangerous political views? Bought too many japanese products? It's a goldmine of information.
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Seems like it would also be very handy for businesses themselves... but of course it would be corrupt and unethical to sell customer metadata to large corporations for marketing purposes and no one would ever do that.
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Duckbag posted:Seems like it would also be very handy for businesses themselves... but of course it would be corrupt and unethical to sell customer metadata to large corporations for marketing purposes and no one would ever do that. The service provider would get interesting data, but the end businesses don't get anything really sellable. I've worked extensively with very large 'big data' sets and one of the most hilarious things about talking to businesses is that everyone thinks they've got valuable data. Then I ask them how many customer records they've got, and how many entries per customer. And I get back something like "100,000, with between 1,000 and 5,000 records per customer." Dude, come back when you've added at least 2 zeroes to both of those figures and then you might have something I'm interested in. You're a minnow in the ocean at those numbers. At 5000 records per customer you probably know enough about them to say when they open their email so you know when to send them ads, and that's about it. These relevancy numbers will only get more stark as more people get using the internet, which is why the real question is how you keep some dick in the middle from soaking up all the metadata like a gluttonous spider. Decentralized solutions are the way forward from a technical perspective, but you can bet your rear end that all of Asia and most of the West will hate that idea the way they are now. e: As an afterthought, the analytic problem is also one that could take a decade to even remotely do correctly, so even if you have all of this data there's no immediate danger of going straight to 1984. However, the analytic problem is one that could be solved with current technology and techniques, and lol if you don't think the makers of the Great Firewall aren't already working on the Heavenly Eye or some similar load of bullshit. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jun 9, 2017 |
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Baronjutter posted:How much of mainland chinese culture thinking it's ok to let people die in the streets and generally never help strangers is cultural, and how much is due to their hosed up legal system? It seems like if the government made efforts to legally protect "good samaritans" the culture would eventually shift towards not just riding off away from (or finishing off) injured people. dude it's just selfisheness, and it happens in china really bad because china has always been super chauvinist and rich aspirational. People care about their family first and foremost, and they keep everything in the family because they know that's how the understanding works. You can reveal secrets, you can be vulnerable, to the family, because you know everybody has the same deal and won't exploit your poo poo and also work to support you. That's why whenever somebody gets wronged, the second cousins and great grandmas roll out and protest/sue for decades until ludicrous money gets handed out. Strangers are outlander scum, friends are acquaintances, family is the binding block of the secure social relationship. You can't escape that kind of structure overnight, because everybody is in the same boat and government is a bunch of shady fucks that objectively can't be trusted. China has the same problem as America in that media outlets are entirely unscrupulous and retarded and will report whatever gets controversy. So yeah, the times when people get burned for helping crime victims, the story gets blasted everywhere, vs however many times helping people works like it does normally, somebody gets support when the need.. Chinese people, being mostly yokels or second generation yokels, just believe anything they read because they are still so optimistic to believe the press isn't hideous profit-driven trash. Politically conscious chinese people are literally prison camped and deported and threatened. If you want to explain any sort of terrible unconciable cultural element, you should always look towards what people fear, because fear is the most powerful emotion. Chinese people fear being abandoned and alone, but the alternative to running to mama and baba is the cold and unfeeling world of everybody else still running back home. So people will do nothing, or the bare minimum, the police do nothing or the bare minimum, and the rich will throw money at all their problems because they're rich. 50 years ago China was a peasant illiterate idiot country, and now they are trying to be modern but you can't shake off the village mentality just because you buy Louis Vuitton handbags.
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It seems to be a hard thing to create/sustain, but a good culture or society has people view their common man as "someone in the same boat" deserving of help and some minimal level of trust and empathy. China's one of the areas I've never traveled to, but I've always had great experiences with strangers being really kind and helpful wherever I've gone. How do you even shift a culture in a better direction? How do you "fix" a problem like China? Cultural revolution hosed things up bad but it sounds like there's been an abnormal amount of this selfish "you're either my direct family or you're an other" attitude there for a long time. I also don't think anything remotely like socialism or communism could ever take root in a society where there isn't a decent amount of social trust and solidarity with your common man. Even in some of the poorest of post-soviet eastern europe I'd see people helping strangers all the time. Old lady falls down the stairs because she's drunk? Immediately strangers jump in to help. Sure life is brutal and people cheat each other and corruption is out of control but there's this minimal floor of humanity that would see strangers helping each other over things like injuries in public. If it wasn't for sheer volume of videos of people getting into horrible to minor accidents and everyone just brutally ignoring them or making sure their own stuff is ok and shuffling off I'd never believe a society could sink so low and it's just gbs china thread grossly exaggerating for a laugh.
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Reading the OSHA thread made me think of this- In America, during confined space entry rescue training there is a huge huge HUGE emphasis on ignoring your gut and not trying to rescue people yourself. Something like 70% of fatalities from these situations are people jumping down/into to try to help, and themselves getting overwhelmed by fumes ect. What I'm saying is sure China has a very low mortality rate on attempted rescuers.
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Double Monocle posted:What I'm saying is sure China has a very low mortality rate on attempted rescuers. Can't have dead attempted rescuers if nobody ever attempts rescue!
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Baronjutter posted:It seems to be a hard thing to create/sustain, but a good culture or society has people view their common man as "someone in the same boat" deserving of help and some minimal level of trust and empathy. China's one of the areas I've never traveled to, but I've always had great experiences with strangers being really kind and helpful wherever I've gone. The thing is that people definitely do, but all forms of media are wholely uninterested in non-dramatic stories, and for most Westerners in vacation Chinese people actively change their behaviour around them because of weird indeterminate White Man alert signals. It is hosed up in the cities because the majority of them are victims of insane rural migration on the tier of 500-1000% population growth in the last 20 years. China is a country that is spasming through the industrial revolution after a century of civil war misery, all at a breakneck pace that enables ruthless capitalists to make their fortunes and cement their place in the political landscape. Meanwhile all the labourers are confused and disassociated, and China was never a homogenous culture anyways so the Henaners hang out with henaners and the Sichuan dudes hang out with each other, all the while the CCP blasts socialist propaganda with 100% certainty that they are lying, "for the common good". Nothing really makes sense so people will always slip back into the village mindset while taking in modern media outlets because nothing else comes close to airwave saturation. china is hosed up, and chinese people are tenuously aware of it, but just like everybody else, nobody actually knows how to "fix" society and never will. You can witness a lot of broken brain democrats in America today and they are 100% insane because they only care about Putin or think Southerners are a separate subhuman race, and all of those people were perfectly functional 1 year ago but only because their reality existed and now it doesn't. Likewise chinese grannies get run over, the driver runs away, and the pedestrians are mostly worried about getting countersued and hassled by the dead lady's relatives because that's the world they live in. No one person created, and maybe it will get better as people adjust, but there will always exist people that are 100% hosed and can't escape the fuckedness.
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Double Monocle posted:Reading the OSHA thread made me think of this- People don't understand gas very well, the same drat thing would happen in China because people don't assess "invisible risk" like they do "cars hit me".
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Baronjutter posted:It seems to be a hard thing to create/sustain, but a good culture or society has people view their common man as "someone in the same boat" deserving of help and some minimal level of trust and empathy. China's one of the areas I've never traveled to, but I've always had great experiences with strangers being really kind and helpful wherever I've gone. I don't know if you've ever been to China, but I just want to stress that we are talking about the overarching culture here, and not individual people. Because some individual people are incredibly helpful and sweethearts to boot. I've definitely had bad experiences in China, or situations where I'm shocked that an old person is walking into traffic and I go and walk with them and stop cars, or the one time I helped the bawling 7 year old find his dad, etc. But this doesn't mean that strangers won't necessarily help others. It usually just means that it is none of their business. There's no communal ethos, sociologists have written chapters on this that I've recommended in this very thread. I know, every single time I go outside in China, that I can not count on a single person helping me when I'm out and about. In the States, if I ran out of gas or I needed directions or I dunno, whatever, I feel pretty comfortable asking strangers. I don't really bother asking people for help in China because people just look at me, shake their head, often looking pretty alarmed, and just briskly walk away. GBS does exaggerate some aspects of China, and in a country of 1.4 billion people, you're going to get some super hosed up videos. That isn't to say that modern China is the same as modern Japan or modern USA. It most certainly is not. I do think culturally speaking there is a lack of community in China compared to other places, I don't see how you could argue otherwise, but I wonder how much of it is urbanization, how much of it are famous law cases that have been discussed in the media, how much of it is originally family-oriented culture, etc. Either way, if you've never been to China, I don't want you to get the idea that it is people just kind of staring at everyone and everything while people die on the street in front of them. That would not be an accurate representation of China, no matter how many videos LentThem finds and posts here.
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Is there a divide with urban/rural in regards to this issue in China? In the west there's this idea that big city people just walk on by and have a "none of my business, not my problem, get the gently caress out of my personal space" attitude while small town folk are friendly and helpful.
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Baronjutter posted:Is there a divide with urban/rural in regards to this issue in China? In the west there's this idea that big city people just walk on by and have a "none of my business, not my problem, get the gently caress out of my personal space" attitude while small town folk are friendly and helpful. yeah that's one of the biggest issues of urbanization, is the loss of a communal ethos. it's a theory from urban sociology called "community lost", there's a few other conflicting theories as well and data doesn't really prove anything, so who knows. i've never really spent all that much time in rural china, i mean i'm in the sticks right now but i don't interact with anyone really, the lady that sells skewers on the street next to mine is super nice, but so was the skewer guy i always went to in tianjin. i dunno. i think there's definitely something to that, but like we've said, there are other factors at play here with regards to china (cultural revolution, family-oriented culture, face culture, high profile scam cases and judge rulings, etc) that you can't ignore. it makes the current situation far different than what you have in canada or the US or japan or other places.
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I'm riding the train in best China and it's one of those where you can reserve a seat for more money or just swipe your card at the turnstile and look for an empty seat. So if you reserved a seat you might find someone already sitting in it or if you didn't reserve a seat and just sat down someone might come up to you and show you their ticket. It's all very polite, but I saw two things that reminded me why this is best China. A woman with a baby got in an argument with a migrant working over a seat. She hadn't reserved the seat and he had, but they were both insisting the other sit. He paid more so he deserved it, but she had a kid so how could he take it? I saw the same thing again where an old man had sat down and then the seat's owner showed up and insisted the old man keep the seat despite his protests. It's nice to see reminders of humanity and civility after the two weeks I've just gone through. 台灣第一名
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:The thing is that people definitely do, but all forms of media are wholely uninterested in non-dramatic stories, and for most Westerners in vacation Chinese people actively change their behaviour around them because of weird indeterminate White Man alert signals. One of the oddest things in China is that, being a foreign, you are expected to behave in a more civilized manner. If you act in a situation the way a local would rather than behaving yourself, you get extra attacked for it. And I don't think it's racism, there is a genuine sense that people from outside China are supposed to be better behaved/more decent than mainlanders and are treated accordingly. I had a random person on the street be nice and helpful to me for no reason a couple days ago, and I've been in Asia so long I was confused at first and literally had forgotten what it was like to have that happen.
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Told this before, but one more time for fun. Walking in Haidian, Beijing (for those who know, left the North Subway station walking towards the KFC) and it's the middle of winter and the ground is cold. as I am getting closer to the corner I see what looks like a migrant worker type splayed face down in the middle of the road, his bag has fallen and his goods are scattered in an arc that looks like he went down hard. The sidewalks are full as they always are on weekends but no one is stopping, they are all making a very large circle around him so no one has to get too close. Red light comes, and the cars drive carefully (thankfully) around him as he is literally in the middle of the right lane. I get closer to the corner and there's a raging debate in my head about whether I had to do something, finally I decide I do as this guy is face first on the cement in winter and he looks like he's been there a while. I go up to him, no smell of alcohol which was my first guess, and shake him a little, no sign, I look up and there is the police hut on the corner (I think it has since been moved and upgraded nearby) with two officers in it chatting and ignoring everything. I shake the guy again, the crowds are still moving around us and no one even looking, avert your eyes people! Avert your eyes so you don't feel the shame! Finally he starts to wake up, he is very groggy and has no idea what is going on, I help him get off the roadway with his stuff and to the sidewalk and then the police bust out of their hut. They come over, try to force the guy to stand, which he can't, so he sits up slowly. They turn to me and I'm expecting some sort of "Thanks strange white man!" speech, and instead they start chastising me, telling me I should go and to leave these things to the police. loving hell... So I walk off and this little old aiyi comes up smiling and looking pleasant and then starts yelling loudly at me "DON'T HELP STRANGERS! THEY ARE LIARS! IT'S VERY STUPID TO HELP THEM!" loving hell.... I was on the way to a "snow festival" down in Daxing where everyone there was also equally disgusting to each other. That was the day I decided I had had enough of China. It wasn't getting better, it was just slowly rotting from the inside out and when it broke, it was going to be bad for everyone, especially foreigners. So I came home and now just rant about my time there on Reddit when I'm bored. I do miss the liangmian though....
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Fat Jesus posted:http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/06/10/13/09/chinese-vandal-destroys-ancient-stalagmite there are lots of folks who react in difficult ways when confronted with anything objectively older than china
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Stop making me want to visit China you assholes.
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Volcott posted:Stop making me want to visit China you assholes. Visit Taiwan unless the dumpster fire is the drawing point for you
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you wont get oily shits and pushed by the elderly. China is great you should visit ASAP, the air is wonderful and traffic accidents are rarely fatal. Keep an eye for guys with buzz cuts and polo shirts, they are the local guides and very helpful
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TAIPEI, TAIWAN:
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Volcott posted:Stop making me want to visit China you assholes. Do it, its magical.
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a friend of mine is in an argument with a chiropractor friend over cupping. She thinks it is dumb and pointless. The "doctor" claims this chinese magic will make you feel better guaranteed!
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Yeah they told me I was hilariously wrong and posted a study that shows no real benefit but cites chinese medical research so it must be good!
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Accretionist posted:TAIPEI, TAIWAN: OMG those poor people! They're about to be run down!
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nickmeister posted:Do they also do this to each other, or is it just foreigners? One of the younger Chinese teachers who went to school in Singapore then moved back to Hong Kong tries to structure her lessons to actually meet the kids needs instead of following what the schedule says. She got so much flak for it she's quitting and going to try her luck at a different school.
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I was walking home and my phone rang. Nobody except my family calls my phone, so I was confused, and I didn't recognize the number. I don't even get those advertisement calls anymore. I answered and (all in English): Me: "Hello??" Girl: "Heyyyyyyyyy. What are you doing?" Me: "Walking back to my house. And you?" Girl: "I wanna eat watermelon." Me: "Ok, so go buy a watermelon. They're in season, so they're cheap." Girl: "Ok, sir." Me: "What else do you want? Why did you call me?" Girl: "I wanna flirt with you, sir." Me: "You're lying. Why did you call me?" Girl: "I want to see what you are doing, flirt with you." I still have no idea who this is, but instead of asking I want to see where this call is going, because not recognizing the voice might jeopardize it. Me: "I'm thinking about you, wondering what you're doing. I like the flirting." Her: "Good. Should I buy a watermelon?" Me: "Go buy a watermelon, stop thinking about it." Her: *Big sigh* "(My real name).. I just miss you, sir." Me: "...Mongol????" Her: "I HATE WHEN YOU CALL ME THAT!" *Hangs up*
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