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fruit on the bottom posted:Definitely knows how to gently caress other people though 
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Mordor She Wrote posted:You know like how Bill didn't appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburg This is the half measured way of thinking that gets us into the current mess were in. You cultivate diminished expectations and your full-measure opponents pull you in their direction under the guise of compromise. Dream big you sad sack
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Jun 9, 2017 17:10
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Mordor She Wrote posted:Who might accidentally pass a progressive policy or two and appoint a progressive Supreme Court replacement. you sweet summer child
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Jun 9, 2017 17:14
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Trump killed tpp he's already ahead of Hillary in terms of accidental progress since she would have quietly passed it
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Jun 9, 2017 17:20
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People who still defend Hillary just look more ignorant and sad by the day. Also, Bernie would have won.
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Jun 9, 2017 18:18
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Some say the Clintonites would have opposed Bernie but I'm not so sure. If the primaries had been fair at all and the DNC not staffed by people who had kissed Hillary's ring, I bet they would have changed their tune for the most part. As many have pointed out, it was the superdelegates and the media saying "we have the majority - it's over" that made a lot of people give in to Clinton. A Bernie Presidency would have pulled the scales off a lot of eyes. When he says "fairer taxes, better school, free healthcare" and his opponents say "no!" it would be pretty clear where their loyalties lie, i.e. not with regular Americans. I think he would have been pretty popular and could have proposed some bold legislation. Either camp shooting down promising legislation for the sake of special interests would look increasingly villainous, even by political standards, and the lying media would be running fast just to stand still. Except for dopey so-called feminists (the idiots who only wanted Clinton in office because of chromosomes), my guess is that a swell of people would have fallen in behind Bernie. Not only that - I bet they would have pretended they supported him the whole time.
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Jun 9, 2017 18:26
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Toadvine posted:Work within your community brother. Yeah... well... you know... I'm pretty much planning to weld spikes to my Toyota, adorn it with human skulls and driving around the wasteland wearing bondage gear, just so ya know
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Jun 9, 2017 19:20
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phasmid posted:Some say the Clintonites would have opposed Bernie but I'm not so sure. If the primaries had been fair at all and the DNC not staffed by people who had kissed Hillary's ring, I bet they would have changed their tune for the most part. As many have pointed out, it was the superdelegates and the media saying "we have the majority - it's over" that made a lot of people give in to Clinton. There wouldn't have been massive numbers of Clinton primary voters turning against Sanders in the general election(although there would have been more defectors than there were from Sanders to Trump), the problem would have been Democratic donors working to push Bloomberg into the race as an independent and thereby splitting the anti-Trump vote.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Yeah... well... you know... I'm pretty much planning to weld spikes to my Toyota, adorn it with human skulls and driving around the wasteland wearing bondage gear, just so ya know But what are you going to do after society collapses?
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Jun 9, 2017 19:26
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Accretionist posted:Maybe. Maybe not. His main thing was organizing the public to force congress' hands to whatever degree they could. Clinton never did that. Bush never did that. Obama never did that. None of them even tried. Obama shut his networks down promptly after winning so he was actively opposed to it. Maybe it would've worked, who knows! thank god someone else said it. bernie's biggest critics seem to be the ones who have no idea what the man and his campaign were about at even the most basic/fundamental levels. The Insect Court posted:There wouldn't have been massive numbers of Clinton primary voters turning against Sanders in the general election(although there would have been more defectors than there were from Sanders to Trump), the problem would have been Democratic donors working to push Bloomberg into the race as an independent and thereby splitting the anti-Trump vote. this is the only way bernie could have lost and i don't know how likely/unlikely it would have been. on the one hand, of course the ruling classes despise bernie but they also hate trump. so splitting the vote doesn't just get them rando republican who would probably be acceptable, it would get them donald j trump. in addition, the obvious sabotaging of a popular campaign in such a transparent way might actually create a ton of backlash. it would stigmatize the neoliberal wing of the party who would have quite literally given us trump. so sure, they could have 3rd partied it to sabotaged bernie, but the consequences might have insanely dire
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Jun 9, 2017 19:47
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RaySmuckles posted:it would stigmatize the neoliberal wing of the party who would have quite literally given us trump. This already happened as the poo poo they pulled in the DNC came out.
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Jun 9, 2017 19:56
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RaySmuckles posted:this is the only way bernie could have lost and i don't know how likely/unlikely it would have been. That's what gives me pause. I figure they would choose a career politician like Sanders over a greenhorn/outsider like Trump, because they would figure he's at least somewhat on their side. It would be a struggle for some of them to get past their "commie" rhetoric, but faced with the alternative... If they had let Bloomberg in, we would at least have an accurate read on who the misguided Clinton supporters were and the fanatics who poisoned the well and handed the election to Trump.
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Jun 9, 2017 19:58
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RaySmuckles posted:thank god someone else said it. They would have supported Bernie. He was running as a Dem, popular, and has had a long career in politics and would be less of an outsider. They definitely wouldn't go third party since they'd basically have to destroy the Democratic Party to make that viable and that's too high a price for one election cycle. Once in power, they would sabotage anything that drifted too far from the norm.
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Jun 9, 2017 19:58
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Behold: the racist, Bernie-hating Hillaryman. Gaze upon his crapulence, then realize this forum is full of his kind of slime, protected by the corrupt administration
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Jun 9, 2017 20:52
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Nuclearmonkee posted:This already happened as the poo poo they pulled in the DNC came out. that's much easier to not care about than pulling a bull moose with bloomberg and turning new york and california red
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Jun 9, 2017 20:56
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bernie would have mopped the floor with trump as would have literally any somewhat progressive candidate that wasn't hillary
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Jun 9, 2017 20:58
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Maya Fey posted:bernie would have mopped the floor with trump as would have literally any somewhat progressive candidate that wasn't hillary Was it necessary to separate "somewhat progressive candidate" from "not Hillary"?
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Jun 9, 2017 21:00
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Chomp8645 posted:Was it necessary to separate "somewhat progressive candidate" from "not Hillary"? plenty of people currently defending hillary's use of prison slave labor call themselves "progressive"
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Jun 9, 2017 21:03
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Maya Fey posted:bernie would have mopped the floor with trump as would have literally any somewhat progressive candidate that wasn't hillary He would have fustigated Bloomberg too. Really the biggest threat to him would be a "lone wolf" shooter or maybe an "accident"
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Jun 9, 2017 21:03
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Bernie would have LOCKED HER UP unlike that loving fraud Trump
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Jun 9, 2017 21:06
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jeremy "the absolute boy" corbyn says he's still going to try and get Blair on war crime charges lol
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Jun 9, 2017 21:10
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Speaking of Corbyn I think this thread might appreciate how baller he was at getting out the youth vote: Alternatively, maybe this shows that the UK still has some serious problems with misogyny, as the youth found it impossible to vote for a woman.
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Jun 9, 2017 21:32
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young female voters only voted for corbyn to impress their boyfriends
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Jun 9, 2017 21:36
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Maya Fey posted:jeremy "the absolute boy" corbyn says he's still going to try and get Blair on war crime charges lol if they are looking for an executionner, give them my number
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RaySmuckles posted:in addition, the obvious sabotaging of a popular campaign in such a transparent way might actually create a ton of backlash. it would stigmatize the neoliberal wing of the party who would have quite literally given us trump. The obvious sabotaging of a popular campaign in a transparent way in fact did cause a lot of backlash and probably why Clinton lost the election. So from the twisted point of view of a Hillary supporter, Bernie Sanders deciding to run actually did in fact cost her the election, because if they didn't "have to" cheat to beat him, Hilldawg probably would have won! The idea that maybe them cheating is wrong just doesn't really occur to them.
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Jun 9, 2017 21:53
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rezatahs posted:young female voters only voted for corbyn to impress their boyfriends I know you're joking and probably even talking about the same thing I'm about to say, but this is exactly what several people said to my gf and her friends about Bernie Sanders. As usual, these same people played their game of trying to berate others in to changing there vote, which is reason #78 that Hillary lost.
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Jun 9, 2017 22:18
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Jun 9, 2017 22:21
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phasmid posted:I know you're joking and probably even talking about the same thing I'm about to say, but this is exactly what several people said to my gf and her friends about Bernie Sanders. Her primary campaign was disgusting. If Clinton runs in '20, we're going to hit some kind of bigotry singularity
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Jun 9, 2017 22:24
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I don't know who this lady is but she sounds like another shill. Anyone still banking on Clinton must be reeeeeal sore about things.Accretionist posted:Her primary campaign was disgusting. If Clinton runs in '20, we're going to hit some kind of bigotry singularity
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I'VE NEVER MET YOU PROBABLY WON'T NOW
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Jun 9, 2017 22:30
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Pawn 17 posted:People who still defend Hillary just look more ignorant and sad by the day. Mocking these people and their hilarious market-researched talking points never gets tiring, though.
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Jun 9, 2017 22:53
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Bernie wouldn't have won, he couldn't beat the most hated politician in the U.S in the primary, he sure as poo poo couldn't have beaten the frothing at the mouth mad Trump brigade.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:29
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Mordor She Wrote posted:Bernie wouldn't have won, he couldn't beat the most hated politician in the U.S in the primary, he sure as poo poo couldn't have beaten the frothing at the mouth mad Trump brigade. Lol sure
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Jun 9, 2017 23:31
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He showed up late and unprepared and pulled 40%. Bernie would've won.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:32
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Mordor She Wrote posted:Bernie wouldn't have won, he couldn't beat the most hated politician in the U.S in the primary, he sure as poo poo couldn't have beaten the frothing at the mouth mad Trump brigade. try again
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Jun 9, 2017 23:33
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Accretionist posted:He showed up late and unprepared and pulled 40%. Keep making excuses for why he lost, you need to accept the fact that Trump would have won regardless.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:33
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We can never say for certain what could have happened if things had gone differently, but I see no reason to dismiss a Bernie victory out of hand.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:34
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Mordor She Wrote posted:Keep making excuses for why he lost, you need to accept the fact that Trump would have won regardless. 
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Mordor She Wrote posted:Bernie wouldn't have won, he couldn't beat the most hated politician in the U.S in the primary yeah a jew socialist from vermont that nobody had heard of until the primary barely lost to her. I don't think you "get" how these things work. Remember, Obama barely eked out a win against hillary, and he was a god tier campaigner. Hillary effectively started 2/3 laps ahead of Bernie and still almost managed to gently caress it up. If Bernie had won the primary, he wouldn't have been at a disadvantage anymore going into the general. In other words, Bernie would have won.
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