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Whoops!quote:Another of President Donald Trump’s nominees has been caught fudging their academic and professional bonafides, according to The Hill.
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maskenfreiheit posted:as much as i love shooting cans full of .22, i do think we should probably check to make sure someone has never been involuntarily commited before selling them a kickass s&w Stripping constitutional rights from people for getting treatment for certain diseases is a pretty huge step to take. Who's gonna engage with mental health services ever again for any reason if it's a ticket to being stripped of rights? Especially since there is not actually a particularly strong history of mental illness linking to gun violence except the hand wavey kind of like "they must have been sick in the head by definition to shoot a kid!"
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Jun 10, 2017 03:16
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Jun 10, 2017 03:17
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Night10194 posted:Why do these shitbirds get caught cheating on their academics SO GODDAMN OFTEN? hmmm why do stupid people have bad political ideologies
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Jun 10, 2017 03:18
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Party Plane Jones posted:Whoops! The only way this could have been better was if it was from Trump University.
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D-Pad posted:I would have graduated in '06 but took some time off to pursue a personal goal. Ended up graduating in the spring of '08. I couldn't do much better than a McJob until I got lucky in 2012. Things have been great since, but holy poo poo graduating at the worst time to do so in ~100 years was not cool. What is your job?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Stripping constitutional rights from people for getting treatment for certain diseases is a pretty huge step to take. Who's gonna engage with mental health services ever again for any reason if it's a ticket to being stripped of rights? I personally know gun owners who probably have mild to moderate psychological problems who will not get tested or seek help because they could lose their rights. Taking them away just means you have people with psychological problems holding onto guns with no chance of getting care.
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Jun 10, 2017 03:26
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actionjackson posted:What is your job? Reynholm Industries
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Mustached Demon posted:The? Son we're gonna need a spinning death wheel of guillotines. Sort of like one of those river boat paddle wheels but guillotines instead. So, a woodchipper?
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Ice Phisherman posted:I personally know gun owners who probably have mild to moderate psychological problems who will not get tested or seek help because they could lose their rights. While both of you have a point, it's hard to pretend that the preferable scenario here isn't that these folks should not be armed and never should have been in the first place.
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Furnaceface posted:The only way this could have been better was if it was from Trump University. https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/873364985027715072 https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/873368505260945409 https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/873369864580337665 https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/873371291360911361 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/873370489229586432 Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Jun 10, 2017 03:49
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Dr. VooDoo posted:It really is amazing how long the US has gone on for with things being based on non-written rules and expectations for its government. One idiot con man and a party dedicated to keeping him in power is really showing how much was based on in-good faith actors in our governing bodies. If we survive this insanity maybe we'll start codifying all that with actual laws Yeah when the democrats get power again I am sure there will be a lawstorm. This will probably be the last presidential candidate to get cute about their taxes.
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Ice Phisherman posted:I personally know gun owners who probably have mild to moderate psychological problems who will not get tested or seek help because they could lose their rights. If memory serves (and this might vary by state) you have to be involuntarily committed to a psych ward to be totally forbidden from buying a gun. People who seek treatment probably won't have that problem. I'm not a lawyer so do some homework as I could be wrong but I'm reasonably certain that "I saw a therapist once" doesn't get you put on the "absolutely no guns for you, ever, at all" list. If you voluntarily go into a mental hospital for some time to get yourself better from some problem you can still get a gun when you get out. Something has to be seriously wrong with a person to lose that right if they don't have a felony. The main reason people don't seek help is a mix of social stigma and this weird belief that you can just will the crazy away. Like having some issues is a sign of personal moral failure. Which is stupid; some people just have screwy brain chemistry that a pill fixes.
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Fulchrum posted:So, a woodchipper? No that's not as elegant of a description.
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Autism Sneaks posted:While both of you have a point, it's hard to pretend that the preferable scenario here isn't that these folks should not be armed and never should have been in the first place. Is there some study that people who have been committed are more likely to commit gun violence?
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Autism Sneaks posted:While both of you have a point, it's hard to pretend that the preferable scenario here isn't that these folks should not be armed and never should have been in the first place. People already get through those loopholes by just never getting evaluated. ToxicSlurpee posted:If memory serves (and this might vary by state) you have to be involuntarily committed to a psych ward to be totally forbidden from buying a gun. People who seek treatment probably won't have that problem. I'm not a lawyer so do some homework as I could be wrong but I'm reasonably certain that "I saw a therapist once" doesn't get you put on the "absolutely no guns for you, ever, at all" list. If you voluntarily go into a mental hospital for some time to get yourself better from some problem you can still get a gun when you get out. Something has to be seriously wrong with a person to lose that right if they don't have a felony. I'm not sure how it works and don't really know which websites to go to to get unbiased information. My opinion is that I have no opinion until I can have a correct opinion. However on the second part I think it's not just a moral failing as you describe it, but that poo poo costs money and people don't have it to spend.
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gently caress SNEEP posted:Ben Franklin got a lot of action so why can't Trump???? https://twitter.com/jcrutchmer/status/873367370609438725
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BlueberryCanary posted:I think it goes without saying that a failure to enforce a law in the past does not invalidate the enforcement of said law in present or future cases. https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/873372635148804096 https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/873374169316118529
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BlueberryCanary posted:I think it goes without saying that a failure to enforce a law in the past does not invalidate the enforcement of said law in present or future cases. my friend stole this car and you never prosecuted so I'm stealing this car.
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D-Pad posted:I would have graduated in '06 but took some time off to pursue a personal goal. Ended up graduating in the spring of '08. I couldn't do much better than a McJob until I got lucky in 2012. Things have been great since, but holy poo poo graduating at the worst time to do so in ~100 years was not cool. I graduated in '08 but immediately started my career out of college and have been making it rain everywhere I go since. It did take me 7 years to finish my bachelors degree, though. Making that Little Caesars cheddar allowed me to have no student loans/debt. I guess I don't see myself as a millennial though.
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Fulchrum posted:This is absolutely gonna lead to Trump arguing he should be allowed to walk around naked, isn't it? Instead of saluting his marine guard must pee as he exits marine one.
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BlueberryCanary posted:I think it goes without saying that a failure to enforce a law in the past does not invalidate the enforcement of said law in present or future cases. That being said, what I have read suggests selling of goods is fine, selling services is questionable. My personal expectatiin is for the courts to call it a political question or for a business friendly court to say it only covers personal gifts as they find it absurd that the founders would have intended to hamper the spirit of capitalism.
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Ice Phisherman posted:I'm not sure how it works and don't really know which websites to go to to get unbiased information. My opinion is that I have no opinion until I can have a correct opinion. Legal libraries or courthouses can probably help you do legal research. Or at least point you to somebody who can point you to the law books. But really think about the practicalities of it; how many people see a therapist ever in their lives? Sometimes you just need some therapy to get through a rough spot. Your parents die in a car crash and then you end up in a familial legal battle over their assets? That's going to gently caress you up and some people need therapy to deal but that's not the sort of thing that should ban them for life from gun ownership now is it? There are levels of mental care that can make you lose your right to own a gun but trust me; this is America. We err on the side of "more guns" here. Actually I guess this site has it? http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/possession-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx Generally speaking it seems to be the case that you have to be pretty hosed up to not get a gun. Some states apparently only restrict handguns while others make exceptions like "in the past five years" or just say "is declared mentally incompetent" or something. From the looks of things "I went to therapy" doesn't ever make you unable to have a gun. But being unable to afford therapy...yeah that's always a bitch. Then people assume that if you've seen a therapist ever you're either axe crazy or will snap into axe crazy at any given moment. And it's like hey guys, some people are just a bit sadbrains and aren't dangerous.
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Mustached Demon posted:Instead of saluting his marine guard must pee as he exits marine one. I don't remember Franklin doing that.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/873364985027715072 Also,  Both of the incidents cited would have been ruled under the Articles of confederation, and not the current US constitution (which didn't go into effect until 1789)
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Legal libraries or courthouses can probably help you do legal research. Or at least point you to somebody who can point you to the law books. But really think about the practicalities of it; how many people see a therapist ever in their lives? Sometimes you just need some therapy to get through a rough spot. Your parents die in a car crash and then you end up in a familial legal battle over their assets? That's going to gently caress you up and some people need therapy to deal but that's not the sort of thing that should ban them for life from gun ownership now is it? Thanks for this. A buddy of mine has been refusing to get help because "He won't be able to keep his guns". Seeing as he lives in South Carolina he'd have to either be declared mentally incompetent or be a patient or prisoner under the SC Department of Mental Health.
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The Glumslinger posted:Also, I think you'll find that Jesus handed down the Constitution to Elijah from Mount Sinai.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Thanks for this. A buddy of mine has been refusing to get help because "He won't be able to keep his guns". Seeing as he lives in South Carolina he'd have to either be declared mentally incompetent or be a patient or prisoner under the SC Department of Mental Health. Double check on the laws first (I'm not a lawyer and that came up from a Google search) but yeah...just seeing a therapist shouldn't be enough to make him lose his guns. From a purely mental health standpoint being able to say "I have problems and need to fix them" is a good sign. Like if there's any doubt spend a few dollars on a real lawyer for some real advice.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/873364985027715072 Isn't the problem that Trump hasn't gotten congressional permission?
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Ice Phisherman posted:Thanks for this. A buddy of mine has been refusing to get help because "He won't be able to keep his guns". Seeing as he lives in South Carolina he'd have to either be declared mentally incompetent or be a patient or prisoner under the SC Department of Mental Health. Suicidal behavior is something you can get involuntarily committed for, too. If you're having mental health problems, you want to seek treatment *early*, before things descend to the point that you get committed, because once you're committed you do lose a lot of very real rights. There have been various bills proposed to give people a path to restoring their gun rights after they leave commitment, but the whole thing is very politicized (see: the fight over the Obama Administration rule about people with Social Security representative payees losing gun rights, which was a genuinely bad change, since many people who have rep payees may be perfectly competent).
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its a shame it'll probably get punted without addressing the emolument arguments Still loving stupid that modern society has to follow what a bunch of slave owners thought 200 years ago Judge on the case is an Obama appointee EwokEntourage fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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I just hope it makes it to discovery. Probably won't but still. I want Trump bribe deets.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Isn't the problem that Trump hasn't gotten congressional permission? Sounds like his lawyer is saying he wants to release the tax records 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I just hope it makes it to discovery. Even if it did, there's no way they'd ever produce anything
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