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Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Everyone takes nitro for dva and I think that talent is poo poo.

:wrong:

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Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009

Basically I see Rag as a sort of hybrid assassin/specialist who can defend and waveclear and do a bit of splitpushing and gobble up assloads of XP while still being decent in a fight.

I also think that full Blast Wave build is fun and good :shrug:

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Coolness Averted posted:

If the smash lands, and your team is following up. Being a level or 2 up (or not being a level or 2 down) from all the exp consistently timed and good waves can gobble up is overlooked a lot.

Guys, remember the context here was a dude just trying to figure out the game, at his tier of play just not falling behind or staying ahead is the biggest advantage over wombo combo team wipes. I'd rather someone know how to use a suboptimal build or hero and do a serviceable job than cling to build orthodoxy and grab 'the correct' choice of character or build and flail.

Like I completely agree that smash is where a lot of rag's teamfight utility comes from but it's just hyperbole to say

I bet you pick rain of destruction

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.


I use boost while in melee range of an enemy 7% of the time.
The CD talent for better map travel is invaluable

WITCHCRAFT
Aug 28, 2007

Berries That Burn
If you are really new and trying to get better at Ragnaros, remember:

try to hit the whole creep wave with your Q for a decent self-heal

when diving or escaping, alt+E to selfcast; it's much easier than clicking yourself while trying to keep moving

get fancy with your meatball cast directions - roll it vertically across turrets/walls to push the lane, roll it backwards to catch people diving at you

His kit has a lot of little nuances to it that make it really fun to play without getting too complicated.

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


remember to always use :ragcool:

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Also his E is for the move speed. The damage is too low

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Infinitum posted:

I feel if you unlock the Azmodunk skin via lootboxes, you're now legally obligated to play Azmodunk

This is what happened to me and now I am topping the numbers in most games.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



If You Don't Take The Same Talents I Do You Are Literally Hitler ~namaste~

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

BrianBoitano posted:

If You Don't Take The Same Talents I Do You Are Literally Hitler ~namaste~

this but ironically

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Thanks for the advice, I am going to try my hand at Rag and Raynor later. The R&R boys will lead me to victory.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Godspeed diddy. Hots has less weirdo nuances to learn than other mobas but with it's expanding cast and slew of maps there is an intimidating amount to learn out of the gate.
Getting a feel for when it's safe to do something is a high level skill no one quite gets the hang of so just stick with it and you'll be feeding marginally less like the rest of us.

grumplestiltzkin
Jun 7, 2012

Ass, gas, or grass. No one rides for free.

Coolness Averted posted:

If the smash lands, and your team is following up. Being a level or 2 up (or not being a level or 2 down) from all the exp consistently timed and good waves can gobble up is overlooked a lot.

Guys, remember the context here was a dude just trying to figure out the game, at his tier of play just not falling behind or staying ahead is the biggest advantage over wombo combo team wipes. I'd rather someone know how to use a suboptimal build or hero and do a serviceable job than cling to build orthodoxy and grab 'the correct' choice of character or build and flail.

Like I completely agree that smash is where a lot of rag's teamfight utility comes from but it's just hyperbole to say

practicing doing something the wrong way will not teach you to do it the right way. You're never gonna learn to land hammers unless you throw (and miss) a bunch of hammers. If people give the dude poo poo for missing hammers, he should ignore them and continue to throw hammers until he stops missing hammers.

Eraflure
Oct 12, 2012


Just pick muradin, miss all your hammers and be useful anyway because you're a 7k hp fat sack of poo poo sitting in the middle of the fight blocking skillshots.

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Eraflure posted:

Just pick muradin, miss all your hammers and be useful anyway because you're a 7k hp fat sack of poo poo sitting in the middle of the fight blocking skillshots.

This is literally what I do already.

Lprsti99
Apr 7, 2011

Everything's coming up explodey!

Pillbug

Tender Bender posted:

I've tried him out and I like him too! But he's a warrior, which I'm ok with. Assassins are the ones I totally suck as. Fortunately I picked the Warrior bundle so my roster is good but I need to diversify if I want to ever play ranked.

Yeah, I wasn't giving you assassin suggestions, I was suggesting him as someone you might not have played who would fit what you were talking about. Also I just really like Artanis, tanking for your team and still topping the hero damage chart owns.

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009

Just played against a Chromie who had the fast hearthstone talent and would just peace out everytime anyone looked at her

She got the "Team Player" award for not dying while outnumbered lol

Ghost of Starman
Mar 9, 2008
Well, y'know, that's more than some Chromies can contribute. There's something to be said for knowing your limitations.

(seriously what is that fast hearthstone talent even for?)

Ghost of Starman fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Jun 10, 2017

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Ghost of Starman posted:

Well, y'know, that's more than some Chromies can contribute. There's something to be said for knowing your limitations.

(seriously what is that fast hearthstone talent even for?)

You take it when there's a ganker like Zeratul/Samuro/Valeera on the opposing team so that you can peace out instead of getting killed over and over.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



wiegieman posted:

You take it when there's a ganker like Zeratul/Samuro/Valeera on the opposing team so that you can peace out instead of getting killed over and over.

Yeah, and generally I only take it if there's two because careful trap coverage/smart Timewalker's Pursuit usage can usually deal with one. It's absolutely invaluable in the situations where it's needed, though.

Abroham Lincoln
Sep 19, 2011

Note to self: This one's the good one



Ghost of Starman posted:

Well, y'know, that's more than some Chromies can contribute. There's something to be said for knowing your limitations.

(seriously what is that fast hearthstone talent even for?)

If they don't have stuns and/or burn their stuns you can just leave and there's nothing they can do.

Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008





Abroham Lincoln posted:

If they don't have stuns and/or burn their stuns you can just leave and there's nothing they can do.

Well, depending on the map and where the fight is taking place, forcing you to hearth or killing you in a teamfight are basically the same thing - they're now 5v4.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

I use boost while in melee range of an enemy 7% of the time.
The CD talent for better map travel is invaluable

This seems correct in uninspected practice but is incredibly mistaken.

The nitro boost frequently ends up amounting to nearly the same distance gained as the cooldown talent. It also has much more utility in actual fights themselves, while the cooldown talent has no applicability.

Pretty much the only times the cooldown talent is better compared to the nitro boost, even when accounting for map travel, is when you're JUST about to catch up to a fight, end your boost, shoot a few dudes, and are able to immediately boost into them and knock them around. In this case you wait five fewer seconds to do it compared with Nitro.

There is an incredibly good reason that the nitro talent has a better-than-5% marginal winrate increase than the other L1 talents.

Abroham Lincoln
Sep 19, 2011

Note to self: This one's the good one



Nephzinho posted:

Well, depending on the map and where the fight is taking place, forcing you to hearth or killing you in a teamfight are basically the same thing - they're now 5v4.

Except for the respawn time and the XP you give them for dying.

VHGS
Jul 24, 2013

SKULL.GIF posted:

The nitro boost frequently ends up amounting to nearly the same distance gained as the cooldown talent.

Assuming the decay is linear, the extra distance Nitro Boost gives per use is 0.5 walkspeed-seconds, which looks about like what I saw when I tested it out.



So if you're just trying to get to a place Rush Down is quite a bit faster. The issue is that even if you're getting there faster, you need to be going to the right place, which is not always easy, and getting there earlier has to give you some value, which is not always the case.

Also, if the range for the nitro bonus damage was actually melee, it would probably be a really bad talent. The real distance is more than a typical ranged basic attack.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

The boost doesn't do a lot of damage to double anyway. As long as you don't take the quest talent that is hot garbage

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

Yo fuckin' booping people into nukes as Lucio is the greatest thing in the world to do, gently caress. I can't believe they let me do that.

Lucio still A++ tier.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

I bought alarak on a lark. He's hard. But you just clown on people when his moves aren't constantly wiffing on people in the animations.
I'm not keen on his quest talents so far. Getting a triple hit is too hard.

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

I bought alarak on a lark. He's hard. But you just clown on people when his moves aren't constantly wiffing on people in the animations.
I'm not keen on his quest talents so far. Getting a triple hit is too hard.

Not only is Alarak amazing he's voice by John de Lancie who played Q in the Next Generation (I don't know if he was in other star treks???) and has the greatest voice acting in any game ever.

Uther could take over if he said "Well met!" when he stunned people.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Spudd posted:

Yo fuckin' booping people into nukes as Lucio is the greatest thing in the world to do, gently caress. I can't believe they let me do that.

Lucio still A++ tier.

Ain't it great? I did that as Auriel a few times too. Boops are the best.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Spudd posted:

Not only is Alarak amazing he's voice by John de Lancie who played Q in the Next Generation (I don't know if he was in other star treks???) and has the greatest voice acting in any game ever.

Uther could take over if he said "Well met!" when he stunned people.

Shame about his actual lines.

There is the well met talent

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Shame about his actual lines.

There is the well met talent

It's really smug so it's good enough.

I think it was Barons Deff Charger or whatever his name is now that said that maybe that talent would make his stun play that voice line. Well met!

The Shortest Path posted:

Ain't it great? I did that as Auriel a few times too. Boops are the best.

I am super lovely as Auriel, help. I just go Q build so I can machine gun them out during team fights.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Q talents are generally her best. I think energy on taking damage for the D is the most important in qm. Just slap that on the tank and you're gold.

Gustav
Jul 12, 2006

This is all very confusing. Do you mind if I call you Rodriguez?

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Q talents are generally her best. I think energy on taking damage for the D is the most important in qm. Just slap that on the tank and you're gold.

QM... Tank..?

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Spudd posted:

Not only is Alarak amazing he's voice by John de Lancie who played Q in the Next Generation (I don't know if he was in other star treks???)

He played Q again in one episode of Deep Space Nine, and three episodes of Voyager.

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009

1000 5x5 assassin games in a row

"I'm gonna play some Zeratul"

Dehakas and Anubaraks as far as the eye can see

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Fellatio del Toro posted:

1000 5x5 assassin games in a row

"I'm gonna play some Zeratul"

Dehakas and Anubaraks as far as the eye can see

Stop solo queueing Quick Match ya dingus.

Get Innocuous!
Dec 6, 2011

come together
Actual pre-game banter interaction I just experienced:

Azmodunk: An angel on my team? I assume you were picked last
Auriel: YOUR WORDS ARE POISON AND LIES

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Toshimo posted:

Stop solo queueing Quick Match ya dingus.

The difference between solo and duo is night and day

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Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Q talents are generally her best. I think energy on taking damage for the D is the most important in qm. Just slap that on the tank and you're gold.

I prefer taking the energy on AA for that tier, because I always take the 25% aspeed talent and keep it on the Valla/Lunara/whatever 100% of the time

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