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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i'd much rather have a muffin than a crumpet

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bitmap
Aug 8, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

Have you tried moving the revolver away from your temple?

for the first time since howard got ousted I'm feeling some political cheer. Maybe it's time for an optimistic avatar.

redmedicine
Mar 7, 2015
Why would 90s Labour's further shift to the center/right upset the press as much as Labour moving left again

pageturn, ooh ooh spagetthi oohs

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
I had a homemade egg and cheese muffin for breakfast.

Playstation 4
Apr 25, 2014
Unlockable Ben
Well, anything that is av sized works. Unless you want to wait for mods anyway.

pumpinglemma
Apr 28, 2009

DD: Fondly regard abomination.

The Insect Court posted:

Given that Corbynistas always yapped about how Corbyn's goal wasn't winning a governing majority(and he didn't) but rather changing the party(he did, Labour neoliberalism is dead), and given that his overperformance in the election guarantees that there will be enough lefty MPs to ensure that there will be lefty options on the leadership ballot next time round(which had been in doubt), then you could make a case for Corbyn stepping down after anointing a successor who shares his commitment to social democratic politics and economic populism but who lacks his particular liabilities and connections to fringe figures and movements. Why let Corbyn's agenda be dragged down by his "We salute Comrade Chavez and our friends Hamas and Hezbollah, Trump-esque NATO/Russia policy, ooh ah up the RA" bits? It's the possibility of Corbyn as PM that will keep the DUP in the coalition no matter what comes.

Personally I don't think it should come to that just quite yet, but there's a decent case to be made for it as we think on how to actually win the next election rather than losing surprisingly well.
The problem is, every possible candidate will have some sort of skeletons in their closet just from having been a politician for a decade or two. And if they run on an even vaguely progressive platform the tabloids will show no restraint in using heavily fictionalised and exaggerated versions of those skeletons to tear them to shreds, just as they tried to this time round. Corbyn has two major advantages. First, his skeletons are more fictional than most, and are counterbalanced by a robust (and extremely rare) reputation for honesty and a career of trading power for principle rather than the converse. Second, he has a strong enough following among young people (who don't give a poo poo about the tabloids and are overwhelmingly leftist) that he can get them to actually vote. I admit I didn't think I'd be saying this a few months ago, but he's objectively a very good candidate and I certainly don't see anyone else out there who could do a better job.

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

Jose posted:

i'd much rather have a muffin than a crumpet

I personally like both although i find myself having an easier time with crumpets

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out
No idea why we're talking in euphemisms though

bitmap
Aug 8, 2006

55kb. our boy shares a limited palette with a crumpet nicely.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

pumpinglemma posted:

The problem is, every possible candidate will have some sort of skeletons in their closet just from having been a politician for a decade or two. And if they run on an even vaguely progressive platform the tabloids will show no restraint in using heavily fictionalised and exaggerated versions of those skeletons to tear them to shreds, just as they tried to this time round. Corbyn has two major advantages. First, his skeletons are more fictional than most, and are counterbalanced by a robust (and extremely rare) reputation for honesty and a career of trading power for principle rather than the converse. Second, he has a strong enough following among young people (who don't give a poo poo about the tabloids and are overwhelmingly leftist) that he can get them to actually vote. I admit I didn't think I'd be saying this a few months ago, but he's objectively a very good candidate and I certainly don't see anyone else out there who could do a better job.

72 percent turnout among 18-24 is absolutely mindboggling. I don't think everyone around the world has fully internalized that yet. There are countries where parliamentary elections struggle to hit 72 percent altogether, let alone among the 18-24 year olds. I couldn't believe it when I first read about it. The accepted wisdom for the last two three decades has been that the youth don't turn out and it's pointless to draw them out, because they just won't when push comes to shove. There is a whole lot of awful things that have been cemented into politics based on the assumption that if you gently caress over the youth they won't punish you for it at the polls so you can just keep doing it.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Antti posted:

72 percent turnout among 18-24 is absolutely mindboggling. I don't think everyone around the world has fully internalized that yet. There are countries where parliamentary elections struggle to hit 72 percent altogether, let alone among the 18-24 year olds. I couldn't believe it when I first read about it. The accepted wisdom for the last two three decades has been that the youth don't turn out and it's pointless to draw them out, because they just won't when push comes to shove. There is a whole lot of awful things that have been cemented into politics based on the assumption that if you gently caress over the youth they won't punish you for it at the polls so you can just keep doing it.
Independant are saying Youth turnout was 66%, but I can't find the raw data

Still doesn't change that they've jumped to a group who doesn't vote to one who suddenly turns out and matters.

dispatch_async
Nov 28, 2014

Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life


Maybe systematically loving over younger people was a bad idea?

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




If you put anything except butter/marge on a crumpet you might as well have voted Tory

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

bitmap posted:

55kb. our boy shares a limited palette with a crumpet nicely.



Awesome.

e: wait poo poo, do we need plat for gang tags?

pumpinglemma
Apr 28, 2009

DD: Fondly regard abomination.

Antti posted:

72 percent turnout among 18-24 is absolutely mindboggling. I don't think everyone around the world has fully internalized that yet. There are countries where parliamentary elections struggle to hit 72 percent altogether, let alone among the 18-24 year olds. I couldn't believe it when I first read about it. The accepted wisdom for the last two three decades has been that the youth don't turn out and it's pointless to draw them out, because they just won't when push comes to shove. There is a whole lot of awful things that have been cemented into politics based on the assumption that if you gently caress over the youth they won't punish you for it at the polls so you can just keep doing it.
The BBC says there's no actual source on that figure (the real estimates won't come out until next week), but if it's even close to true then I'm shifting from "very good candidate" to "loving excellent candidate". For perspective, the 18-24 turnout in 2015 was about 44%.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

jBrereton posted:

Yes mate. It's not all marmite.

Bovril or marmite for savoury crumpets, honey or jam for sweet. Salted butter either way.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Thing is, the reaction to getting systematically hosed over so far has been "meh", probably because the options on offer haven't been enough to persuade them that the election really matters. This was certainly true in the past.

nothing to seehere posted:

Independant are saying Youth turnout was 66%, but I can't find the raw data

Still doesn't change that they've jumped to a group who doesn't vote to one who suddenly turns out and matters.

Yeah, 66 is still huge. I wonder if social media is actually a force for good here: it creates peer pressure and visibility for voting in a medium that young people consume. I saw a lot of tweets from UK left-wing celebs about registering to vote aimed at young people but scoffed at them because young people aren't supposed to turn out. I'd grown so jaded and cynical of it that I couldn't believe it could be pulled off.

The Finnish Social Democratic Party leader's reaction to this all was "huh, that's interesting, I wonder what we could learn from Labour - although nationalizing stuff, get out of here, lol", which made me sigh. The SDP in Finland has a massive generational problem, the average age of the membership is something like 55 and the party is losing more people to die-off than are joining. They're getting their lunch eaten by newer liberal or left-wing parties.

pumpinglemma posted:

The BBC says there's no actual source on that figure (the real estimates won't come out until next week), but if it's even close to true then I'm shifting from "very good candidate" to "loving excellent candidate". For perspective, the 18-24 turnout in 2015 was about 44%.

Okay, I'll hold off on my thinkpieces until we get firmer data on that.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Jose posted:

i'd much rather have a muffin than a crumpet

Deviant.
Thank gently caress we have the DUP to keep you perverts in line.

Playstation 4
Apr 25, 2014
Unlockable Ben

Miftan posted:

Awesome.

e: wait poo poo, do we need plat for gang tags?

Technically, when buying an avatar, img tags work with anything stored at http://fi.somethingawful.com technically. Hence people can abuse some of their words limit and add a second avatar image or gang tags with no mod support.

Just put this in img as the first line in your title and it's done: http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/titles/e6/36/00209771.0002.gif

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

dispatch_async posted:



Maybe systematically loving over younger people was a bad idea?

ahahah oh wow I guess it's intergenerational war time

Miftan posted:

e: wait poo poo, do we need plat for gang tags?

if "funded by the uk government" <- counts then I guess no? Though someone else bought this for me

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

dispatch_async posted:



Maybe systematically loving over younger people was a bad idea?

You know what I think would be an interesting stat to gather/track? The age at which average salary crosses a quarter (or maybe an eighth) of the average house price. Because I'm willing to bet that that number is actually going up by more than one year a year for a while now. We've been told for 30 years now that owning your house is an absolute necessity, and the ladder on doing that is being pulled up pretty loving quickly.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Angepain posted:

ahahah oh wow I guess it's intergenerational war time

It's been that time for a long time, it's just that we're finally firing back

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Who are all you people who don't put butter + goldern syrup on your crumpets? I feel sorry for each and every one of you.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Replace Sharia Law with ISIS and its a full check list. They kill kids who were videoed dancing.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

learnincurve posted:

Who are all you people who don't put butter + goldern syrup on your crumpets? I feel sorry for each and every one of you.

I put peanutbutter on mine

Playstation 4
Apr 25, 2014
Unlockable Ben
If you're gonna put PB on with something, just make it honey and go for the good stuff, skip the golden.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

I'm not changing my avatar, it was a gift from our mysterious thread benefactor. :colbert:

Also the DUP sounds awful and if Labour can keep that messaging up then the coalition will really hurt the tories in the next election.

bitmap
Aug 8, 2006

communism bitch posted:

I put peanutbutter on mine

my friend have you tried vegemite

Playstation 4
Apr 25, 2014
Unlockable Ben

Miftan posted:

I'm not changing my avatar, it was a gift from our mysterious thread benefactor. :colbert:

Also the DUP sounds awful and if Labour can keep that messaging up then the coalition will really hurt the tories in the next election.

I've called them WestboroBaptistChruch.party before, but really most all the Fundie poo poo I grew up among fits right in with the sodding cunts.


Even sadder in a way, my family's paternal history is Ulster Catholics who fled back in the 19thC, so why they ever fell to this crap is eeeuurgh.

Playstation 4 fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Jun 10, 2017

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

bitmap posted:

my friend have you tried vegemite

loving disgusting

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
Very well might buy myself that gang tag, it's great

E: and did

mfcrocker fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Jun 10, 2017

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

communism bitch posted:

loving disgusting

the aus/nz stuff is a lot less salty

bitmap
Aug 8, 2006

I get it from waitrose, me.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Playstation 4 posted:

I've called them WestboroBaptistChruch.party before

quick someone check if that domain name is taken

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

dispatch_async posted:



Maybe systematically loving over younger people was a bad idea?

The most insane thing about this is that demographically it's not even an "enthusiastic youth vs. older people" thing but it's almost as far as to be the retired vs. people who are in full time education or work. I'd love to hear some opinions on why this has become so much more severe in recent years.

I think when people see the talk of the 'Labour youth vote' they think of students, not working people in their 30s and 40s who according to this also voted strongly pro-Labour.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

communism bitch posted:

loving disgusting

They're straying from the one true god

Forgive them, Marmite pot, the vegemite heathens will be cleansed in your purifying brown gunk.

spiderbot
Oct 21, 2012


How many of these decisions in the past few days are actually supported by Tory MPs? Are they really so desperate that they are in favour of May staying and and agreement with the DUP? I wouldn't be surprised if May has gone rogue and is doing all this solo to do anything she can to fend off the vultures.

bitmap
Aug 8, 2006

mfcrocker posted:

Very well might buy myself that gang tag, it's great

E: and did

its an odd effect, panning down to garnets crotch and seeing our boy winking over a crumpet

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bitmap
Aug 8, 2006

Pesky Splinter posted:

They're straying from the one true god

Forgive them, Marmite pot, the vegemite heathens will be cleansed in your purifying brown gunk.

is there not room in this storied empire for two yeast extracts

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