UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed.
Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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Sarah Bellum: Oct 21, 2008

tekz posted:

What in the world did saudi arabia have to do with brexit?

Basically, a Scottish Conservative with Saudi links used NI's special donor secrecy to funnel money to the DUP to purchase very, very expensive pro-Brexit advertising where the DUP electorate wouldn't even be able to see it. There's no proof that the Saudis actually funded it, but aside from that the whole operation stinks to high heaven.

quote:

The story began with a four-page, wrap-around cover advert in the Metro newspaper promoting the Leave campaign ahead of the Brexit referendum in June 2016, an extraordinary move that cost some �282,000.

This turned out to have been paid for by the DUP, which was odd as the party only stands in Northern Ireland where the Metro is not published.

However in February, after some political pressure over the issue, the DUP MP Sir Jeffrey Donaldson revealed that the adverts had been paid using a �425,000 donation from a group called the Constitutional Research Council (CRC), chaired by former Scottish Conservative vice-chairman and Glasgow-based businessman, Richard Cook.

This sparked further questions about the ultimate source of the money. Mr Cook told The Sunday Times that the CRC had three other members, but declined to identify them.

quote:

The Saudi intelligence link was suggested by Adam Ramsay, co-editor of the openDemocracyUK website.

By examining documents held by Companies House, he discovered Mr Cook and the former director-general of the Saudi intelligence service, the late Prince Nawwaf bin Abdul Aziz, had founded a company called Five Star Investment Management in 2013, which was dissolved the following year.

Mr Ramsay said he had no evidence that the �425,000 had come from a Saudi source.

But he added: �Saudi Arabia is a country flush with a huge amount of cash and I don�t think it�s crazy to think they would a, have an interest in a major event like Brexit and b, try to influence it in some way.�

Saudi economists, he noted, had argued that the referendum result was good for the country because of the subsequent fall in the value of the pound.

The routing of the money via the DUP effectively maintained the anonymity of the donor

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-dup-brexit-donations-saudi-arabia-tale-tories-theresa-may-a7782681.html
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay-peter-geoghegan/secretive-dup-brexit-donor-links-to-saudi-intelligence-service

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# ? May 15, 2024 21:52

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

NRVNQSR posted:

That was thought to be the case for a long time and it's the premise on which pretty much all current cryptography is based. Unfortunately a loophole was found back in 1994: building computers based on quantum processes rather than classical processes means that the attacker can double their search space without doubling their computational costs. We can't build computers like this at significant sizes yet, but it's only a matter of time.

There are successor encryption technologies that can make even better claims of security but as far as I know we've only invented ones that can encrypt real time communication, nothing that can securely encrypt stored data.

edit: Some additional research suggests that I'm behind the times on that last part; seems like some technologies have started to appear in the last couple of years that are speculated to be secure against quantum algorithms. We'll see how it goes.

Yeah, we know how to use quantum computers to give you a speed up on factorisation, which is a commonly used basis for encryption. But there are other ways to do it that rely on different mathematical techniques that, as far as we know, quantum computers aren't any help against.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:18

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

bitmap posted:

is there not room in this storied empire for two yeast extracts

The only thing you should be extracting from yeast is grain alcohol.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:18

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

nick timothy has resigned

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:21

Playstation 4: Apr 25, 2014; Unlockable Ben

Angepain posted:

quick someone check if that domain name is taken

It is now

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:21

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/statu...D137%23lastpost

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:22

Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

bitmap posted:

is there not room in this storied empire for two yeast extracts

No, for as it is written; "Love it Or Hate it." They may only be one loved/hated yeast extract spread.

I don't actually mind vegemite

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:22

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Marmite is cool and good

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:22

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

time to try this puppy out}

RabidWeasel posted:

The most insane thing about this is that demographically it's not even an "enthusiastic youth vs. older people" thing but it's almost as far as to be the retired vs. people who are in full time education or work. I'd love to hear some opinions on why this has become so much more severe in recent years.

I think when people see the talk of the 'Labour youth vote' they think of students, not working people in their 30s and 40s who according to this also voted strongly pro-Labour.

My suspicion? People who get their news from tabloids vs other sources

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:22

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Thanks Ants posted:

Marmite is bad and disgusting

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:23

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

I love the repeated statement that the falling pound is good for people in the UK because of cheap exports as if we all run export businesses. Actually, it might be bad when the average person goes to buy a Samsung TV and because of brexit it costs 500 quid more.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:23

EvilHawk: Sep 15, 2009; LIVARPOOL!

Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref

Jose posted:

nick timothy has resigned

As has Fiona Hill. Apparently to stave off a leadership challenge on Monday.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:24

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

"COALITION OF CHAOS" -> does coalition with literal Irish Taliban

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:24

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lmao

https://twitter.com/politico/status...D137%23lastpost

quote:

Unfortunately, then for Trump, a long-time anglophile who has talked with such delight about plans for a presidential sleep-over at Buckingham Palace later this year, U.S. security interests will require Washington to shun the Corbyn-led British in a crisis and adopt a new policy of �France first.� Freedom fries, anyone?

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:24

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Thanks Ants posted:

Marmite is cool and good

Vegemite is cool and better

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:24

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Guavanaut posted:

The only thing you should be extracting from yeast is grain alcohol.

Vegemite is literally what's left over from the brewing process. You just can't handle the colonies being better than you.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:25

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Regarde Aduck posted:

I love the repeated statement that the falling pound is good for people in the UK because of cheap exports as if we all run export businesses. Actually, it might be bad when the average person goes to buy a Samsung TV and it costs 500 quid more.

It's not even good for that.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pounds-fall-the-worst-devaluation-in-history-czkfwhznc

quote:

Sterling�s Brexit-fuelled decline over the past year has been Britain�s �least successful� currency devaluation in history, an analysis of the latest growth figures has revealed.

The UK�s trade balance has worsened by 1.8% of GDP since the final quarter of 2015 � before worries over the EU referendum began to hurt the pound. Rising exports have been outstripped by an even faster rise in imports, according to Samuel Tombs of consultancy Pantheon Macroeconomics.

The figures show that booming exports have so far failed to provide a silver lining to the pound�s slump, which has also driven up inflation and squeezed household spending.

By contrast, the economy was boosted by an improving trade position after four significant devaluations � in 1967, 1976, 1992 and 2007. �It�s no exaggeration to call this the least successful depreciation in Britain�s history,� said Tombs.

Growth in the first quarter of this year was revised down to 0.2% last week as higher prices dented consumer spending. Trade also held back growth, as exports declined and imports surged.

Although the import figures were distorted by a quirk in how GDP statistics treat Britain�s trade in gold, the figures further confounded expectations of an export boost from sterling�s decline. It is down 15% against the dollar since the Brexit vote last June, at $1.28.

The impact of a falling pound on exports has lessened over time. Net trade was given a fillip by Harold Wilson�s �pound-in-your-pocket� devaluation in 1967, when he slashed the value of sterling by 14%. The Black Wednesday crash in 1992 had a smaller impact, and the 25% slump during the financial crisis narrowed the gap between imports and exports only very slightly.

Even so, in all these previous episodes, the volume of exports grew faster than imports, adding to economic growth, according to Tombs. A shift away from basic manufactured goods towards services and high-end products � demand for which is less sensitive to falling prices � lies behind the trend, economists say.

The lacklustre figures are particularly worrying given the upturn in the global economy at the start of this year. �The story in 2008-9 was that exports didn�t benefit much because our core market in Europe was suffering,� said Brian Hilliard, chief UK economist at Soci�t� G�n�rale. �This time round, Europe is going gangbusters, so it�s pretty disappointing the trade picture is even worse.�

There are some signs that the weaker pound may eventually bear fruit for exporters. A recent CBI survey showed overseas orders at their highest for more than two years. Nevertheless, last week�s GDP figures suggest that this has yet to feed through to economic growth.

�So far, the depreciation has come with much greater costs than benefits,� said Tombs.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:25

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

RabidWeasel posted:

The most insane thing about this is that demographically it's not even an "enthusiastic youth vs. older people" thing but it's almost as far as to be the retired vs. people who are in full time education or work. I'd love to hear some opinions on why this has become so much more severe in recent years.

I think when people see the talk of the 'Labour youth vote' they think of students, not working people in their 30s and 40s who according to this also voted strongly pro-Labour.

It probably tracks home ownership: horrible old NIMBY's who own 1 (or several) houses and want to prevent younger people from having secure housing vote Tory; everyone else votes Labour.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:26

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Thanks Ants posted:

It's not even good for that.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pounds-fall-the-worst-devaluation-in-history-czkfwhznc

Oh boy.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:26

Captain Fargle: Feb 16, 2011

Jose posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/politico/status...D137%23lastpost

Yes of course. Of all the people who are going to be absolutely delighted to work with Trump Emmanuel Macron is top of of the list.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:26

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

https://tyronetribulations.com/2017/06/10/uk-parliament-to-move-base-to-moygashel/

UK Parliament To Move Base To Moygashel

quote:

A convoy of large lorries with English number plates seen heading towards Dungannon at 6am this morning has added fuel to the rumours that, after this week�s election outcome, the British supreme legislative body is to up roots from London and relocate in the sleepy Dungannon suburb of Moygashel. The potential new minority government, with a heavy reliance on the co-operation of the DUP, will reportedly direct operations from the village famed for its linen industry and flute band.

Moygashel Lord Mayor Billy �The Slayer� McCrystal is excited about the prospect of the world�s cameras focused on the village which once boasted six different offensive graffiti messages at the same time:

�Deadly so it is. Teresa May will be made very welcome and I�ll give her a tour of the place. No one has failed to be impressed at the noises and laughs in the Dungannon Independent Methodist Church when the Loyal Sons of Ulster are practising, especially at this time of the year. And the rest of the politicians needn�t worry about them depraved things they do in private�we cater for all that too.�

Although Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has not ruled out opposing the new venue, he has asked that he is located in Coalisland until the next General Election, as he has a few �friends� from there he can call on.

In a bid to create a new 21st century persona, the GAA have already moved on this issue and have asked May to throw the ball in at the start of the upcoming Tyrone/Donegal game, warning players not to mill her before she gets off the pitch.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:27

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

time to try this puppy out}

Jose posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/politico/status...D137%23lastpost

How does an American news outlet gently caress up a freedom fries reference?

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:28

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

I'd support some sort of debt jubilee, except instead of forgiving debt, you'd have 1 day a year where young people could legally kill old people and take posession of their properties.

I might start a petition.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:28

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Regarde Aduck posted:

I love the repeated statement that the falling pound is good for people in the UK because of cheap exports as if we all run export businesses. Actually, it might be bad when the average person goes to buy a Samsung TV and because of brexit it costs 500 quid more.

That's what they deserve for not buying good honest British TVs.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:30

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Gum posted:

My suspicion? People who get their news from tabloids vs other sources

Or baby boomers just suck. They thought of themselves alone when they were all lefty as gently caress in the 60s enjoying the full embrace of a functional welfare state, plentiful jobs and cheap houses; they thought of themselves alone when they grew up a bit and voted Thatcher in so she could get rid of all that to make them a few bob in tax cuts; and they think of themselves alone now when they vote for austerity (for the people who work to pay their pensions, but not for those pensions themselves, of course, that's not benefits it's just what they're owed by divine right). I do wonder what influence May threatening to pay them slightly less big raises in their pensions and maybe take their houses away had on their turnout.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:30

RabidWeasel: Aug 4, 2007; Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

Gum posted:

My suspicion? People who get their news from tabloids vs other sources

That's my first guess as well, but it just feels a bit overly simplistic and I don't see why it would be so much more pronounced in particular in the last 2 elections compared to previously. It seems more plausible if you consider it combined with use of the internet / social media as an alternate news source.

Pistol_Pete posted:

It probably tracks home ownership: horrible old NIMBY's who own 1 (or several) houses and want to prevent younger people from having secure housing vote Tory; everyone else votes Labour.

I guess I'm not cynical enough to think this way and would rather think of people being duped into having awful opinions instead of actively realising that they are being selfish shits and relishing it :smith:

RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Jun 10, 2017

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:30

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Captain Fargle posted:

Yes of course. Of all the people who are going to be absolutely delighted to work with Trump Emmanuel Macron is top of of the list.

I can't think of a more succinct method of judging someone's character than to see if Trump likes them or not. Other than asking THEM if they like Trump. That's cheating.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:30

bitmap: Aug 8, 2006

Thanks Ants posted:

Marmite is cool and good

Zephro posted:

Vegemite is cool and better

brothers, comrades. did we learn nothing from that post about the troubles.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:31

botany: Apr 27, 2013; by Lowtax

Jose posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/politico/status...D137%23lastpost

quote:

The problem is that somehow for Corbyn, America is almost always in the wrong for the wrong reasons. Whether it was the first Gulf war, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan or Iraq, Corbyn not only questioned the effectiveness of U.S. policies�which was perfectly legitimate and unfortunately often accurate�but he also ascribed malign intent to them. Whether it was profit, or imperialist greed, for Corbyn, America�s motives were always suspect. To debate Corbyn was to constantly fend off labels like �corporate villain� or �war criminal.� It was rarely a respectful difference of opinion about how best to achieve shared objectives in a complicated world.

actually lolling IRL :allears:

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:33

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

time to try this puppy out}

RabidWeasel posted:

That's my first guess as well, but it just feels a bit overly simplistic and I don't see why it would be so much more pronounced in particular in the last 2 elections compared to previously. It seems more plausible if you consider it combined with use of the internet / social media as an alternate news source.

I guess I'm not cynical enough to think this way and would rather think of people being duped into having awful opinions instead of actively realising that they are being selfish cunts and relising it

Bingo. I was actually talking about that earlier in the thread

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:34

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Pistol_Pete posted:

I'd support some sort of debt jubilee, except instead of forgiving debt, you'd have 1 day a year where young people could legally kill old people and take posession of their properties.

I might start a petition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by08fiQN8qw

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:34

Strom Cuzewon: Jul 1, 2010

Marmite contributed to the bankruptcy of the BNP, and so is clearly superior to Vegemite.

Shame Unilever are complete scumbags.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:34

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

time to try this puppy out}

botany posted:

actually lolling IRL

"We can't work with Corbyn because he's totally rumbled us"

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:35

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

dispatch_async posted:

Maybe systematically loving over younger people was a bad idea?

That graph is literally "People who have to interact with the real world" Vs "People who have already retired and can choose not to interact" with levels of enthusiasm based on how much money they're likely to have.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:35

Tenebrais: Sep 2, 2011

feedmegin posted:

I do wonder what influence May threatening to pay them slightly less big raises in their pensions and maybe take their houses away had on their turnout.

Apparently elderly turnout was high as ever. I was surprised, I'd have thought they'd have been more suppressed by the Tory mainfesto.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:36

dispatch_async: Nov 28, 2014; Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/873504424215416837

Oh boy

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:37

Lovechop: Feb 1, 2005; cheers mate

botany posted:

actually lolling IRL

that's an insanely spicy take

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:38

Sarah Bellum: Oct 21, 2008

jBrereton posted:

Also your alliance mate needs to ask where her own party was only about a year ago on gay rights when they refused to vote in Stormont on it like a bunch of fuckin cowards.

He, and he's only 18 and only just joined the party last year so he can't personally answer for why some of them abstained in April 2015, or why they changed their minds and unanimously voted in favour in November of that year. However, you can ask Naomi Long directly about it (she's good at responding on social media) and she will answer the exact same way she answers everyone who's still indignant about it, that it was left to individual conscience and they weren't voting against it, and that they all fully back marriage equality now. There you go, saved you a trip to her FB page.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 13:38

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Tenebrais posted:

Apparently elderly turnout was high as ever. I was surprised, I'd have thought they'd have been more ~~suppressed~~ murdered by the Tory mainfesto.

though that would take a few years I guess

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goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

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