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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Does that mean a long-term coalition could be toxic for the DUP as well? That was from 2010 when the DUPs chief rivals for the unionist vote officially formed an electoral alliance with the Tories. If the DUP joined a conservative government in an alliance AND is party to pushing through more welfare cuts it could absolutely bite them in the arse in some constituencies - though there isn't really a party that can profit too much of that at the mo. The DUPs dislike for Tory welfare austerity has taken a back seat cause of the current power sharing crisis and Corbyns premiership (which they consider an existential threat) but it was strong enough in 2015 that they openly talked about being open to support Labour and where actively courted for confidence by New Labour in the early days of the Lib/Lab pact negotiations back in 2010
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Al-Saqr posted:lol at all the tory LGBTQ people who thought that party gives two flying fucks about them and wont send them back into the closet at the first opportunity to do so lolol From the Buzzfeed article, Nigel Evans comments are telling. "The individual members of that party may have their own views but that shouldn’t be allowed to colour what their party feels generally. We’ve made all the major gains that we are looking for as far as gay rights are concerned."
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Jun 10, 2017 18:34
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unwantedplatypus posted:Hello, American here hoping that Europe doesn't start electing authoritarian right wingers like in the states. What's a summary of the recent election? How hosed is the government? Theresa May managed to piss away a 20% poll lead and was barely able to squeak out a win against crusty old socialist absolute boy Jeremy Corbyn, so she lost her majority in the Commons and is now reduced to relying on a Northern Irish religious wingnut former terrorist party to prop up her government, and her own party is already in semi-rebellion. So I'd say she's totally hosed.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:34
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TheRat posted:Government is ultrafucked. The left is back. America is first against the wall. i mean, they do need to win a general election first
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Jun 10, 2017 18:35
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This Tory 'majority' is balancing on a couple of matchsticks at the moment, and I can't wait until Parliament reconvenes and we get to see the outcome of some votes and see just how hosed the whole thing is. Surely the only endgame here is another GE really, really soon?
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Jun 10, 2017 18:37
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kustomkarkommando posted:I still think formal coalition remains very unlikely as no one benefits that much from it Formal coalition would hurt the Tories in PR terms, because Labour could hit them on it massively and it would go down badly on the doorstep. However, it would provide a more stable government, since a coalition agreement would prevent the DUP from holding the government to ransom on absolutely every vote it wanted to pass. Basically they're hosed either way. Bardeh posted:Surely the only endgame here is another GE really, really soon? Cameron got a majority and his government only lasted two years.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:38
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Jose posted:i mean, they do need to win a general election first Pffft, mere details.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:38
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Why have the last few days been so good?
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Ratjaculation posted:Why have the last few days been so good? Tory tears are delicious
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Jun 10, 2017 18:42
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Technically if the DUP run screaming from the trainwreck that is "Toryland" then Labour gets a go at forming a minority government. May just ran to the palace first and claimed she had enough support without checking she really did because she was in a blind panic about losing to the Jam Man. Not an ideal outcome though, much better to let the chaos continue for a few months in micro-accelerationism because the Tories are now a bloated corpse rolling downhill. Sure the street sweepers might be able to stop it halfway but they'd have to jog to catch up and then it might burst open and get poo poo all over their boots.
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Ratjaculation posted:Why have the last few days been so good?
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Jun 10, 2017 18:43
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jabby posted:Formal coalition would hurt the Tories in PR terms, because Labour could hit them on it massively and it would go down badly on the doorstep. I mean, they could blow up the coalition if things don't go their way as well. That's a thing that is quite common outside the UK.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:43
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Is this in many respects not quite similar to the late John Major era only even more ridiculous and sped up by 1000000x
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Jun 10, 2017 18:45
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H2Omelon posted:Remember when during Cameron's resignation the overall feeling was that it would be looked back on as the largest political own goal in British history? Surely this has got to be even worse. The sheer arrogance and incompetence that lead to this Tory self-destruction is mind boggling. I'm starting to wonder if there isn't some unifying field theory of right wing incompetence, like how Umberto Eco pointed out that fascists always start wars they will lose because they're incapable of viewing their enemies objectively.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:45
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Corbyn should be having a quiet word with the EU people and get them to announce they will pause negotiations if the UK has to hold another general election.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:45
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i love the special adviser heads rolling can't wait to see who takes their places
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Jun 10, 2017 18:46
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Bardeh posted:This Tory 'majority' is balancing on a couple of matchsticks at the moment, and I can't wait until Parliament reconvenes and we get to see the outcome of some votes and see just how hosed the whole thing is. Surely the only endgame here is another GE really, really soon? We've been saying that here in Denmark for the bast 2ish years and it doesn't look like it's going to happen. We presently have a minority government consisting of the liberal party (third largest,) the conservative party (literally the smallest party,) and libertarians (fourth largest,) who get their majority from the hyper-nationalist party (second largest.) It looks on paper like an infeasible alliance, but at the end of the day they all care more about staying in power than they do actually fighting for their values (except gently caress foreigners and "what is human rights? lol" they all seem to agree on that.) Don't underestimate the pull of power.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:47
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsAwJMptq1Y
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Jun 10, 2017 18:48
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Guardian has a good article from some think-tank boss who thinks May's 'Red Toryism' didn't go far enough, and the only way to combat Corbyn's policies is to offer people stuff like lifelong learning, investment up north, and assets like council houses. quote:If the Conservative party listens to voices like Blond’s – and it is likely that a number of leadership contenders will – then Corbyn will have done more than just transform the face of the Labour party, he will have dragged the entire centre point of debate in this country to the left. 
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Jose posted:i mean, they do need to win a general election first To actually get significant stuff done, yes. But technically Corbyn could potentially be PM without a general election. If May can't get a Queens Speech through then it depends how afraid the Tories are of another election. Jeremy Corbyn is playing the long game – if history is indeed repeating itself, he will be the Prime Minister
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Jun 10, 2017 18:49
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ThomasPaine posted:Is this in many respects not quite similar to the late John Major era only even more ridiculous and sped up by 1000000x Actually Theresa May is just trying to break the world record in speedrunning Thatcher.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:52
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jabby posted:Guardian has a good article from some think-tank boss who thinks May's 'Red Toryism' didn't go far enough, and the only way to combat Corbyn's policies is to offer people stuff like lifelong learning, investment up north, and assets like council houses. Corbyn Wins: Cultural Victory
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Jun 10, 2017 18:53
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BTW, if anyone wants a Lord Buckethead av, look no further than this image:
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Jun 10, 2017 18:53
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https://twitter.com/PA/status/873596427313831936 https://twitter.com/MissEllieMae/status/873597947870629888 lmao
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Zero Gravitas posted:BTW, if anyone wants a Lord Buckethead av, look no further than this image: Holy gently caress this guy owns
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Jun 10, 2017 18:56
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LBC: Nigel Evans, Conservative MP for the Ribble Valley constituency , absolutely slammed the Tory manifesto, and the advisors thought to be responsible for it.Al-Saqr posted:Holy gently caress this guy owns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKjGaTytWM4
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Jun 10, 2017 18:57
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Joda posted:We've been saying that here in Denmark for the bast 2ish years and it doesn't look like it's going to happen. We presently have a minority government consisting of the liberal party (third largest,) the conservative party (literally the smallest party,) and libertarians (fourth largest,) who get their majority from the hyper-nationalist party (second largest.) It looks on paper like an infeasible alliance, but at the end of the day they all care more about staying in power than they do actually fighting for their values (except gently caress foreigners and "what is human rights? lol" they all seem to agree on that.) Don't underestimate the pull of power. Sure, but you don't have Dexit negotiations starting in just over a week. Without that, the Tories would already have gotten rid of May. The way things are right now, I have no idea how they're going to deal with Brexit (and neither do the Tories) and the whole situation is just a colossal mess that, realistically, only another GE can fix.
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Is there anything specific to U.K. politics that makes minority government so undesirable? Canada had three minority governments in a row 2004-2011, and while they were probably more ineffectual than a majority would have been, legislation was still passed and the country didn't seem to be in crisis. Hell, the Canadian Conservatives actually followed up two minority governments with a majority, so it didn't even kill their public perception too much.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:59
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learnincurve posted:Corbyn should be having a quiet word with the EU people and get them to announce they will pause negotiations if the UK has to hold another general election. why would that be in corb's interests why would that be in the eu's interests
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Halisnacks posted:Is there anything specific to U.K. politics that makes minority government so undesirable? Canada had three minority governments in a row 2004-2011, and while they were probably more ineffectual than a majority would have been, legislation was still passed and the country didn't seem to be in crisis. Well you might have heard of this Brexit thing that has basically torn the place into two camps...
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TheRat posted:LBC: Nigel Evans, Conservative MP for the Ribble Valley constituency , absolutely slammed the Tory manifesto, and the advisors thought to be responsible for it. he's already come out in defense of a DUP deal too
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Labour's Owen Smith: 'I was wrong about Jeremy Corbyn'
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Halisnacks posted:Is there anything specific to U.K. politics that makes minority government so undesirable? Canada had three minority governments in a row 2004-2011, and while they were probably more ineffectual than a majority would have been, legislation was still passed and the country didn't seem to be in crisis. Attempting to negotiate very divisive Brexit conditions with a minority government is impossible. It's also likely impossible with the extraordinarily slim majority the Tories only might end up with. Basically the whole situation is hosed (and hilarious)
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Jun 10, 2017 19:06
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Halisnacks posted:Is there anything specific to U.K. politics that makes minority government so undesirable? Canada had three minority governments in a row 2004-2011, and while they were probably more ineffectual than a majority would have been, legislation was still passed and the country didn't seem to be in crisis. weaker party discipline to start with - canadian party politics is dramatically stricter than westminster vanilla (this is not unique to canada - australia, singapore, malaysia, all also have much more rigid party discipline than the uk, albeit all through somewhat different mechanisms) in canada a minority government is sustained through interparty negotiations; if the party cannot actually bind its MPs, then the minority govt cannot be stabilised in this manner ronya fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Jun 10, 2017 19:08
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i mean at least in the unlikely event of a minority government going on for 5 years we'd end up with all our laws being the same and matching eu law
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Jun 10, 2017 19:08
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catching up QT and holy poo poo this guy who thinks thats cuts aren't happening lmbo
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Jun 10, 2017 19:09
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The knife everyone is holding continues its twisting. https://twitter.com/MarcoGBiagi/status/873492503466586112
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ronya posted:why would that be in corb's interests Because he's winning a landslide for Labour with the momentum he currently has. Because it means they won't have to deal with the chucklefucks that are May and Boris.
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