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Paradoxish posted:They're just lovely and have gotten away with being lovely for so long that they don't feel the need to be particularly transparent about it. That's it. I have no idea how deep Trump's Russia ties or or where those ties lead elsewhere in the GOP (if anywhere), but you honestly don't need anything more than "Republican politicians are human garbage" to explain their behavior. True, it ultimately is a case of them being so morally bankrupt they dont care where their money comes from but the diminishing of the republic sure is a curious side effect.
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Quorum posted:Nah, i'm talking about a major city getting completely decimated, Katrina scale. That was bad, but not the kind of national scale bad that put George W. Bush in the ditch. Admittedly, much like Bush got a boost from 911 that I don't think a comparable event would give Trump, there's not quite as much mushy middle for Trump to lose in a Katrina event as Bush had. But it would nonetheless hurt him, and he doesn't have as much approval to lose as bush did then, either. That depends on what it is and where it hits. If a red state gets wrecked and Trump doesn't do poo poo for them, there might be some confusion whereas if it was California or the like there would be gloating and demands of loyalty.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:07
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, but this isn't really new information. We were discussing this fact months ago, back when it was actually unlikely that Republicans would get anything through. Worst part is they don't have to do this. They could just pass an unfunded tax cut that will sunset in ten years and say "we tried to repeal and replace but the democrats stopped us" and move on. Their constituents won't care and their donor class got their tax cuts anyways. This is just bad politics let alone bad policy.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Presumably, the kid's surname isn't hyphenated, so its a nice nod to his mom's side of the family. If my wife's maiden name worked as a first name, I'd be down with using it as a kids name. just make it his middle name as my parents did for me and my sibs.
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The Glumslinger posted:It could just that they're all assholes who no longer even care about the veneer of improving things and just fine being explicit about looting the country to give their rich friends and donors more money I mean, at this point, they have to feel sort of invincible. They won with Donald loving Trump, after all.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:11
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Crabtree posted:That depends on what it is and where it hits. If a red state gets wrecked and Trump doesn't do poo poo for them, there might be some confusion whereas if it was California or the like there would be gloating and demands of loyalty. I recall public radio reporting on some bad wild fires around OK/nearby states in early spring. and then some other red state getting flooding from heavy rains. Local/regional disasters like this would be a normal human interest story in a normal timeline but it's not a normal timeline. I'm not sure how the sausage is normally made, but since those fell off the radra I guess the things have gone to total poo poo yet.
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Crabtree posted:That depends on what it is and where it hits. If a red state gets wrecked and Trump doesn't do poo poo for them, there might be some confusion whereas if it was California or the like there would be gloating and demands of loyalty. North Carolina got wrecked by Matthew and Donnie stiffed them on disaster relief. This happened a month ago.
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Pellisworth posted:North Carolina got wrecked by Matthew and Donnie stiffed them on disaster relief. This happened a month ago. And instead of covering it, the RWM can cry about the other side of the media still caring about Russia. Confusion, but not blame or care as the Trumpeter mow their lawn with a Tornado behind them.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:21
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Spaced God posted:Hm weird, the hole where Kurt Eichenwald once stood with a shovel and tentacle porn is getting even deeper and deeper two days after the whole ordeal. Let's check in "Hey guys, sorry for the mass email, just wanted you to know I was looking at tentacle porn ironically."
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JuniperCake posted:It's hard to say for sure, but some corporations have been making great strides towards full automation. Amazon for instance is one of the biggest movers here. They already have some warehouses that are mostly robot run, a completely automated grocery store (use your phone to scan and pay for items), and don't forget their fleet of delivery drones. Add to that self-driving cars, user interfaces for business transactions replacing customer service people, and even niche stuff like automated routing systems for aircraft to replace traffic controllers. 3D printing is replacing skilled manufacturing jobs like metal workers. When your 3D printer can turn out extremely complicated metal parts that no human can possibly replicate then there is no way for a human employee to compete. There is even a 3D printer that can build an entire concrete house with just two people. You just put the printer on a truck and drive it to where you want to build the house. 3D printing is overhyped in a lot of ways, and its impact on mass manufacturing is absolutely one of them. In the vast majority of applications, there's little or no benefit to the ability to make otherwise impossible parts (aerospace and certain medical applications are two notable exceptions.) That said, employment in large scale manufacturing got slaughtered decades ago. Robots took over car factories and the like, and CNC machining equipment means ten highly skilled machinists got replaced by ten machines programmed by a single much less skilled individual and operated by two or three per shift. Plastics based manufacturing has always been semi-automated by nature. In all cases, further automation happens mainly in material handling and post-production handling. JuniperCake posted:Consider where we are at now compared to 30 years ago. Ultimately, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a sector that can't have a large amount of it's workforce replaced by automation. Jobs requiring high emotional intelligence and nuance like social workers probably have the best job security but who the gently caress even knows what's going to happen. That's not to say that it's impossible, but the first attempts that're just "oh well just use these robots" are going to fail hilariously and spectacularly and buy that industry another twenty years or something. JuniperCake posted:Don't get me wrong, there are still hurdles and more advancements needed before some of these technologies really take off but they are being aggressively pursued and they'll be out in force sooner rather then later. The question then remains what happens to the people who are out of a job as a result. Hell even if only half the jobs can be automated (and that is a very very conservative estimate) you can't just have half the work force jobless with our current system and have a viable state. Basic income would probably be the path of least resistance out of that problem but it's gonna have to be addressed one way or the other at some point. Oh for sure. I was never in doubt that automating even a portion of the whole economy would have huge effects, it's more just like feeling that recent claims that robots will be able to do "everything" in the next 50 years or whatever is a completely loving absurd claim.
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Spaced God posted:Hm weird, the hole where Kurt Eichenwald once stood with a shovel and tentacle porn is getting even deeper and deeper two days after the whole ordeal. Let's check in This guy is an incredible moron for continuing to talk about this.
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ImpAtom posted:"Hey guys, sorry for the mass email, just wanted you to know I was looking at tentacle porn ironically."
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enraged_camel posted:This guy is an incredible moron for continuing to talk about this. I would almost think there's something wrong with us for giving it so much attention if it weren't so loving funny.
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mynnna posted:Oh for sure. I was never in doubt that automating even a portion of the whole economy would have huge effects, it's more just like feeling that recent claims that robots will be able to do "everything" in the next 50 years or whatever is a completely loving absurd claim. There's a whole automation thread so I'm not going to make a big post here, but it's important to keep in mind that permanently raising the unemployment floor by just a couple of percent thanks to a net loss of jobs would represent a pretty huge, ongoing crisis. Hell, it doesn't even have to be an actual net loss. A sufficient number of middle income jobs being replaced by a split of high and low paying jobs would be catastrophic over a long enough period, even though it wouldn't change actual employment or average wages at all. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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JazzFlight posted:I still can't get over the fact that he was using the excuse that he was proving that tentacle porn exists when the porn that was in his browser tab didn't even have tentacles in it. i'm going to need to view this supposedly non-tentacle porn for uh... ironic shitposting purposes?
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mynnna posted:I work in construction, and there's a lot of stuff both in my field and associated trades that I'd laugh in your face if you said "oh a robot could do this." I've seen skilled tradesman fail pretty spectacularly under the right conditions too. I'd be more worried about advances in modular construction materials offsite that can be created by advanced mechanical processes. I don't think we're that far away from build to order walls assembled entirely at a factory and snapped together like Legos. It's not as visually alien as a giant machine 3D printing the house in place, but it would eliminate a bunch of the custom jiggering that accounts for a bunch of a professional's time. Edit: Hot drat. There's an automation thread?!
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Robots don't even have to do everything. It's enough if they can allow people to leverage workers to do more work faster. There's SAM, a semi-automatic mason that lays 3000 bricks per day with the assistance of one person. An average mason currently lays 300-500 bricks a day, meaning you can basically turn a single operator into six skilled masons. You can rent a unit for a month at around 3400 US dollars, or about 500,000 to buy a machine outright.
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enraged_camel posted:This guy is an incredible moron for continuing to talk about this. The funniest part about this to me is that if he really was trying to do what he said and find the elusive tentacle porn on the internet, it really puts into question his ability to be a journalist if he can't put "tentacle porn" into google and find a result.
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, but this isn't really new information. We were discussing this fact months ago, back when it was actually unlikely that Republicans would get anything through. True, but months ago that was the house pushing it through, and a lot of people kept saying that it wouldn't get through the Senate unless they rewrote it. I guess they decided against playing tennis with the bill and just swallow the pill. I wonder if this will drive a flip in the Senate come 2020. Fitzy Fitz posted:NBC News has a hilariously detailed tracker of Trump's golfing and vacation days. Pretty neat. I wonder how many vacation days other presidents took.
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Ventana posted:Pretty neat. I wonder how many vacation days other presidents took. According to people that frequent my bar, Obama took 2,920 days of vacation and it's "Nice to finally have a President that wants to work for a living."
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:The funniest part about this to me is that if he really was trying to do what he said and find the elusive tentacle porn on the internet, it really puts into question his ability to be a journalist if he can't put "tentacle porn" into google and find a result. A succinct summary of what's wrong with talking head journalists.
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Aurubin posted:A succinct summary of what's wrong with talking head journalists. They are pundits. Not journalists.
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So all this impeachment chat has me thinking about Nixon. After Nixon resigned, what was it like? Were they rabid pro-Nixon supporters? Was there a backlash against the GOP in local races in addition to Carter eventually becoming president? I'd love to read more about that.
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maskenfreiheit posted:So all this impeachment chat has me thinking about Nixon.
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maskenfreiheit posted:So all this impeachment chat has me thinking about Nixon. I believe Ailes founded Fox News partly to try to make sure there would be next time.
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no idea what's going on here but it's persuading me never to buy a rifle because i would look like such a goony gently caress in camo with an AR https://twitter.com/evan7257/status/873565225869598720 the whole thread is amazing. someone is going to accidentally shoot someone else and start a skirmish in tejas
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They'll hurt themselves way before anyone else. We don't want to take your dumbass guns you idiots.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Read The Invisible Bridge by Rick Pearlstein adding this to my reading list, thanks!
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maskenfreiheit posted:So all this impeachment chat has me thinking about Nixon. When basically every other politician had abandoned Nixon, then governor Ronald Reagan was his most vocal supporter throughout the entire Watergate scandal. Just like he was the guy who never gave up on the morality of the Vietnam War. Guess how it all turned out~ Like the other guy said, read The Invisible Bridge.
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skylined! posted:no idea what's going on here but it's persuading me never to buy a rifle I wonder if these AR loving gun nuts realize that the National Guard has bigger ones, which they have mounted on planes, boats, and men who don't need a rascal scooter. Having an "insurrection" because your man-child piss baby got impeached would end poorly.
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I'm fairly certain that the militia goons the ACT for America people brought in for "protection" here in MI outnumbered the actual demonstrators on that side by like 10-20 people. There wasn't more than 40-50 on their side and we had about 150-200.
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There Bias Two posted:I doubt his health will last until 2020. I toxxed on this assumption. Join me.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's totally different from what's going on here because reasons. I was asking because I was reading the Lawfare article that went into why the TV lawyers were wrong about the potential obstruction charge, and didn't understand this line: quote:...in all likelihood the Court would discard Morrison or distinguish it into oblivion
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Kekekela posted:I was asking because I was reading the Lawfare article that went into why the TV lawyers were wrong about the potential obstruction charge, and didn't understand this line: Right, right. Put quotation marks around my post. Distinguishing one case from another is just saying the two cases are different because [reasons].
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Spaced God posted:Hm weird, the hole where Kurt Eichenwald once stood with a shovel and tentacle porn is getting even deeper and deeper two days after the whole ordeal. Let's check in https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561?lang=en
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Right, right. Put quotation marks around my post. Distinguishing one case from another is just saying the two cases are different because [reasons]. Ohhhh I get it now, thanks!
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CrazySalamander posted:Robots don't even have to do everything. It's enough if they can allow people to leverage workers to do more work faster. There's SAM, a semi-automatic mason that lays 3000 bricks per day with the assistance of one person. An average mason currently lays 300-500 bricks a day, meaning you can basically turn a single operator into six skilled masons. You can rent a unit for a month at around 3400 US dollars, or about 500,000 to buy a machine outright. Yeah, I have no doubt that a lot of fields will still need people for various tasks. But it's a moot point if an industry that needed 100 people to do x can now get away with 20 people plus 4 specialized machines to do x. That is still a massive hit to the workforce. Not to mention certain industries customer service, driving/trucking, warehouse logistics, etc are at risk of being absolutely gutted. It's really hard to know what machines will be capable of in 50 years. It can just take one or two breakthroughs to completely revolutionize a field and completely change our approach. Machines right now are already capable of some very sophisticated and complex behavior but some problems in machine learning are indeed supremely difficult. Additionally, there are fundamental limits to the kinds of computations you can make with any computer that you can't get around. (The Halting problem probably being the most well known). So we already know that machines can't "do everything" at least not with how we build them. But yeah as it is, I think we are absolutely on track for seeing massive job loss in very many fields in the coming years. I doubt you'll see any field get completely shut out but as was pointed out that doesn't need to happen for it to be a big problem. Even a softball number like 20% unemployment would be unfathomably bad. JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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