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Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Al-Saqr posted:

Kurt is really one of those people who should re-learn how to live life without twitter. it's clearly destroying him.

That, or learn how to do Twitter better. He's stuck in the Twitter uncanny valley right now, alongside every grandmother who heard that kids these days are using the tweeter.

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Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Ventana posted:

True, but months ago that was the house pushing it through, and a lot of people kept saying that it wouldn't get through the Senate unless they rewrote it. I guess they decided against playing tennis with the bill and just swallow the pill. I wonder if this will drive a flip in the Senate come 2020.

I try not to post this stuff too much because I don't want it to seem like I'm saying that everything is hopeless or whatever, but I really think the endless parade of posts claiming that the GOP literally can't do anything need to be taken with a huge grain of salt. This is their one shot to get something like this through with a simple majority vote that doesn't require them to blow up the filibuster and they're going to keep banging their heads against this wall until they run out of time or this garbage gets signed into law. It was always extremely optimistic to believe that this would die entirely once it hit the Senate.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



Al-Saqr posted:

Kurt is really one of those people who should re-learn how to live life without twitter. it's clearly destroying him.

I believe Kurt paid a considerable amount of money for child porn and became an administrator of a child porn bulletin board - in the name of Journalism - prior to twitter, so, make of that what you will.

mynnna
Jan 10, 2004

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

I've seen skilled tradesman fail pretty spectacularly under the right conditions too. I'd be more worried about advances in modular construction materials offsite that can be created by advanced mechanical processes. I don't think we're that far away from build to order walls assembled entirely at a factory and snapped together like Legos. It's not as visually alien as a giant machine 3D printing the house in place, but it would eliminate a bunch of the custom jiggering that accounts for a bunch of a professional's time.

Edit: Hot drat. There's an automation thread?!

So have I. And yeah, modular plug and play type of stuff... hell, I've heard of that happening in some places already, albeit in larger scale construction. Specifically, a hospital.


My first thought to this was "is coal mining overcompensated or is it that other industries are just undercompensated?"

So, I drilled down a bit, and I think the answer is roughly "yes". Charts 2 & 3 are particularly informative here; you can view the data for them, and they break out various things that some of the other tables seem to group collectively under "mining". The charts also measure compensation slightly differently; the first uses CPI as its price adjustment, essentially measuring changes in employee purchasing power relative to productivity in their industry, while chart #3 uses an "output deflator" which basically looks to compare changes in compensation based on the products being produced. CPI us used in most of the tables, though.

In any case, while mining as a whole looks to have seen compensation rise faster than productivity, that's seems to be on the back of oil & gas extraction, natural gas distribution (which I guess gets its own category) and (if you're using the CPI deflator) metal ore mining.

Also probably should be stressed that all the numbers in question here are talking about changes in productivity/compensation rather than the raw numbers. Take the aggregate changes year to year or just go find the overall numbers (rather than the changes) and just about loving everyone is way undercompensated compared to productivity.

mynnna fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jun 10, 2017

Ever Disappointing
May 4, 2004

Imagine how much less trouble Kurt would have had if his response was "oh I just fapped to my favorite eromanga and forgot to close the tab lol ooops"


That narrative would have either forgotten about it or it could have been about kinkshaming Kurt being wrong

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Hell, he'd have gained fans.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

Tir McDohl posted:

Imagine how much less trouble Kurt would have had if his response was "oh I just fapped to my favorite eromanga and forgot to close the tab he was paying any loving attention at all and looked at what he took a picture of lol ooops"

BetterToRuleInHell
Jul 2, 2007

Touch my mask top
Get the chop chop
What went down in Hermann park?

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

What went down in Hermann park?

Houston newspapers got tricked into thinking there'd be an Antifa protest about a Sam Houston statute. So a bunch of gun nuts / protect our confederate heritage fucks showed up to counter the protest. But since it was fake, there was. Nothing to protest

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

EwokEntourage posted:

Houston newspapers got tricked into thinking there'd be an Antifa protest about a Sam Houston statute. So a bunch of gun nuts / protect our confederate heritage fucks showed up to counter the protest. But since it was fake, there was. Nothing to protest

Lmao a shitload of heavily armed white dudes looking for a fight showed up at the park together for no reason. In bizarro earth(or maybe real earth since this is clearly the bizarro earth) the all-black police force gunned them all down within minutes of their arrival.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

EwokEntourage posted:

Houston newspapers got tricked into thinking there'd be an Antifa protest about a Sam Houston statute. So a bunch of gun nuts / protect our confederate heritage fucks showed up to counter the protest. But since it was fake, there was. Nothing to protest

Was it related to the anti-islam marches today? I heard an oathkeeper had a heart attack at the one in nyc from carrying heavy armor on his fat, old body in early summer weather.

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

business hammocks posted:

Was it related to the anti-islam marches today? I heard an oathkeeper had a heart attack at the one in nyc from carrying heavy armor on his fat, old body in early summer weather.

Apparently it was not related, tho it seems likely it was planned for the same day - http://www.houstonpress.com/news/houston-media-pranked-by-alt-right-facebook-trolls-9488700

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

JuniperCake posted:

.

Additionally, there are fundamental limits to the kinds of computations you can make with any computer that you can't get around. (The Halting problem probably being the most well known). So we already know that machines can't "do everything" at least not with how we build them

That seems like a weird thing to bring up. It's a mathematical thing, not just a limit of PCs. Humans can't solve the "halting problem" either.

Confounding Factor
Jul 4, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Automation is vastly overhyped. There is so little evidence out there that suggests it kills jobs or worsens inequality. The biggest job disruptions is mainly due to trade.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Paradoxish posted:

I try not to post this stuff too much because I don't want it to seem like I'm saying that everything is hopeless or whatever, but I really think the endless parade of posts claiming that the GOP literally can't do anything need to be taken with a huge grain of salt. This is their one shot to get something like this through with a simple majority vote that doesn't require them to blow up the filibuster and they're going to keep banging their heads against this wall until they run out of time or this garbage gets signed into law. It was always extremely optimistic to believe that this would die entirely once it hit the Senate.

Yeah, when the apparatus of Government will just bend over backwards to justify Trump at every turn, it doesn't seem like there is a losing move because they'll just make it okay through contrivances and circling the wagons. But then again, I'm actually depressed so what the gently caress, I really do want to be loving wrong and there still is some sort of hope out there.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Confounding Factor posted:

Automation is vastly overhyped. There is so little evidence out there that suggests it kills jobs or worsens inequality. The biggest job disruptions is mainly due to trade.

You're not even trying now

Is your heart even still in this?

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

logger posted:

Midterms will be upon them in 2018, they will change their tune if Trump costs them a majority in the House.

They didn't after 2006. It was just "George W. Bush is a greater leader than George Washington and Abe Lincoln combined, and personally wrote all of Martin Luther King Junior's speeches. So why does Nancy Pelosi want Hitler and terrorists to win by opposing him?"

They didn't turn on Bush til Obama was elected, and even then, only to the extent of trying to trick everyone into believing that Bush never existed.

Flesh Forge posted:

Just spitballin here but how about "I Am Cool Like Barrack Obama Except I Am White" :shrug:

Yeah naw, impossible

Rubio bots mainframes aren't capable of executing a cool.gop subroutine.

tetrapyloctomy posted:

Look, I'm progressive and think Republicans are evil and all, but I'm willing to admit some probably only rape adults, animals, and/or corpses.


Is there any Republican out there that you are willing to put yourself out there and say that we will never discover that they rape children?


Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I think the answer of why trump would get replaced by the republicans in 2020 would be answered by the fact his dumb old man mouth seems to be actually something no one can control instead of some planned out strategy and there is real nonzero odds that he eventually says something that is a scandal under the value system of republicans instead of just a scandal under the value system of normal people.


The Republican value system, in its entirety, is written below.

- more money for me
- gently caress you.

Trump would need to say something against these two points, and it's not going to happen.

How many family values conservatives have had mistresses that they've embezzled money to pay for their abortions, and the Republican voters still stuck with them?

JazzFlight posted:

When do these guys finally admit to being members of loving Hydra already?

Hey, at least Hydra wanted to do something positive with their unimaginable evil.

Confounding Factor
Jul 4, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

The Glumslinger posted:

You're not even trying now

Is your heart even still in this?

Not sure what you are getting at. We need to shift the focus away from a perceived threat somewhere in the future caused by rapid technological advancements (which those supposed advancements better economic outcomes) and towards the real threat of our living standards: an increase in bargaining power by capitalist owners at the expense of workers. We need policies that can redistribute the power back to working Americans, give them more economic leverage and a fairer share in productivity gains.

And yes our trade treaties have done much more harm than whatever impact automation has had on the economy, which is negligible.

Confounding Factor fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jun 10, 2017

AbsolutelySane
Jul 2, 2012

EwokEntourage posted:

Houston newspapers got tricked into thinking there'd be an Antifa protest about a Sam Houston statute. So a bunch of gun nuts / protect our confederate heritage fucks showed up to counter the protest. But since it was fake, there was. Nothing to protest

It doesn't even make sense as Sam Houston told the Confederacy to gently caress off and didn't join.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Confounding Factor posted:

Not sure what you are getting at. We need to shift the focus away from a perceived threat somewhere in the future caused by rapid technological advancements (which those supposed advancements better economic outcomes) and towards the real threat of our living standards: an increase in bargaining power by capitalist owners at the expense of workers. We need policies that can redistribute the power back to working Americans, give them more economic leverage and a fairer share in productivity gains.

And yes our trade treaties have done much more harm than whatever impact automation has had on the economy, which is negligible.

I, uh, think you might have that backwards.

tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost

Fulchrum posted:

Is there any Republican out there that you are willing to put yourself out there and say that we will never discover that they rape children?
Yeah, though I have to admit to be safe I'd stick to Republicans I personally know.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

skylined! posted:

no idea what's going on here but it's persuading me never to buy a rifle

because i would look like such a goony gently caress in camo with an AR

https://twitter.com/evan7257/status/873565225869598720

the whole thread is amazing. someone is going to accidentally shoot someone else and start a skirmish in tejas

You know you don't HAVE TO wear camo if you have an AR?

I'd suggest a run through the Tacticlol thread to see what not to do

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

SocketWrench posted:

You know you don't HAVE TO wear camo if you have an AR?

:raise:

:confused:

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

Anybody else jealous of the U.K. pretty much rejecting the right wing and seemingly on the precipice of swinging left within a year?

I wish we had a snap election because the RNC head was like let's get a supermajority and instead it was a left swing and suddenly the GOP lost its majorities

Tzen
Sep 11, 2001

The video segment with this is great.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I, uh, think you might have that backwards.

Confounding's central thesis is that isolationism and as little trade as possible is the best thing for the economy. He's best to ignore when discussing trade.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

theflyingorc posted:

Confounding's central thesis is that isolationism and as little trade as possible is the best thing for the economy. He's best to ignore when discussing trade.

Arrgytehpirate
Oct 2, 2011

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



The crazy man did another tweet-storm.

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/873630366262861824

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


how did that dumb gently caress not delete his twitter after the original.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

theflyingorc posted:

Confounding's central thesis is that isolationism and as little trade as possible is the best thing for the economy. He's best to ignore when discussing trade.

Too bad that even North Korea is moving away from the One True Economic Policy. :negative:

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


mynnna posted:

My first thought to this was "is coal mining overcompensated or is it that other industries are just undercompensated?"

So, I drilled down a bit, and I think the answer is roughly "yes". Charts 2 & 3 are particularly informative here; you can view the data for them, and they break out various things that some of the other tables seem to group collectively under "mining". The charts also measure compensation slightly differently; the first uses CPI as its price adjustment, essentially measuring changes in employee purchasing power relative to productivity in their industry, while chart #3 uses an "output deflator" which basically looks to compare changes in compensation based on the products being produced. CPI us used in most of the tables, though.

In any case, while mining as a whole looks to have seen compensation rise faster than productivity, that's seems to be on the back of oil & gas extraction, natural gas distribution (which I guess gets its own category) and (if you're using the CPI deflator) metal ore mining.

Also probably should be stressed that all the numbers in question here are talking about changes in productivity/compensation rather than the raw numbers. Take the aggregate changes year to year or just go find the overall numbers (rather than the changes) and just about loving everyone is way undercompensated compared to productivity.

tl;dr: miners have a good union and in 2017 almost nobody else does

IUG
Jul 14, 2007



"Almost everything has come to pass that I heard about on November 9, 2016 starting at 4am."

*Like 50 posts in a row*

Dude, just get a WordPress or blog or something. Jesus.

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?
Saying that trade deals have been bad for workers is not the same as saying that isolationism is the only solution. One of the major problems with "free trade" deals is that they put workers in western countries with stricter labour and environmental laws in competition with workers in countries without those protections. Naturally this results in some of the work being outsourced. Better trade deals would avoid that.

FateFree
Nov 14, 2003

Confounding Factor posted:

Automation is vastly overhyped. There is so little evidence out there that suggests it kills jobs or worsens inequality. The biggest job disruptions is mainly due to trade.

Kurzgesagt just released a video with a bunch of evidence for this very thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

FateFree posted:

Kurzgesagt just released a video with a bunch of evidence for this very thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk

Remember like 5 years ago when my gimmick was posting about the singularity all the time and no one but maybe espira went along with it. I love that the thing that finally got people to all decide that it was actually true was everyone finding a way to be really whiney and afraid about it.

RasperFat
Jul 11, 2006

Uncertainty is inherently unsustainable. Eventually, everything either is or isn't.

IUG posted:

"Almost everything has come to pass that I heard about on November 9, 2016 starting at 4am."

*Like 50 posts in a row*

Dude, just get a WordPress or blog or something. Jesus.

I think he's still going at 70+ posts. It's definitely quite a rant. If it's anything more than insane conspiracy theorizing then a large chunk of GOP leadership is turbofucked.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

RasperFat posted:

I think he's still going at 70+ posts. It's definitely quite a rant. If it's anything more than insane conspiracy theorizing then a large chunk of GOP leadership is turbofucked.

On the one hand it's insane, on the other there have been instances of the GOP doing nothing at best. I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm really hoping for turbofucking.

edit: looking at the last few tweets the guy is sounding pretty drat crazy.

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

That seems like a weird thing to bring up. It's a mathematical thing, not just a limit of PCs. Humans can't solve the "halting problem" either.

How is it weird? Mathematics forms the basis by which computers work in the first place. The hardest problems you face in computing tend to be very difficult math problems. Especially in Machine Learning which is what we are talking about here. It is what it is.

Though in respect to automation, we can prove for a fact that there are a significant number of problems that cannot be solved by a computer. Since the subject in question is what is and what's not possible in automation it's important to point out that computers have fundamental limitations. The ultimate limits of what can be achieved through automation are unknown but at least we can rule a few things out by proving whether a language is decidable or undecidable. That's pretty much a cornerstone of the discipline.

Also the question is what machines can do, not what humans can do. In terms of raw calculation humans have nothing on a computer so why even bring that up? Most human's can't calculate the 1000th digit of pi in their head but a computer does it in a fraction of a second. We are slowpokes.

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

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citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
WEIRDOS




JuniperCake posted:

How is it weird? Mathematics forms the basis by which computers work in the first place. The hardest problems you face in computing tend to be very difficult math problems. Especially in Machine Learning which is what we are talking about here. It is what it is.

Though in respect to automation, we can prove for a fact that there are a significant number of problems that cannot be solved by a computer. Since the subject in question is what is and what's not possible in automation it's important to point out that computers have fundamental limitations. The ultimate limits of what can be achieved through automation are unknown but at least we can rule a few things out by proving whether a language is decidable or undecidable. That's pretty much a cornerstone of the discipline.

Also the question is what machines can do, not what humans can do. In terms of raw calculation humans have nothing on a computer so why even bring that up? Most human's can't calculate the 1000th digit of pi in their head but a computer does it in a fraction of a second. We are slowpokes.

Why the gently caress would I need to calculate that in the first drat place?

Come back to me when you have a machine that can find my car keys without needing to be hooked up to the internet or can trim my dog's nails without her freaking the gently caress out.

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