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Boogaloo Shrimp
Aug 2, 2004

ETB posted:

You forgot Leo's and Raines'. :v:

Those aren't bursts, just supers.

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ETB
Nov 8, 2009

Yeah, I'm that guy.

Boogaloo Shrimp posted:

Those aren't bursts, just supers.

Reading comprehension is low this morning, disregard!

With the Jump Start dungeons, how many 5* motes should we expect from them? And are they just one type or multiple types?

pichupal
Mar 23, 2013

Poochy ain't Stupid.
I might be.

ETB posted:

Reading comprehension is low this morning, disregard!

With the Jump Start dungeons, how many 5* motes should we expect from them? And are they just one type or multiple types?

30 of one type.

Torment Jump Starts are 90 of one type, and 30 of a different type for the CMs.

KPC_Mammon
Jan 23, 2004

Ready for the fashy circle jerk
I've been looking over future banners to plan mythril spending and I came to the realization that I have next to zero X synergy and absolutely no water element relics.

Is Dra Al Bhed Banner 1 interesting at all? The USB sounds amazing but everything else looks underwhelming. The only other option for water seems to be FFVI Banner 2 that is coming soon but that is only a single BSB among a sea of stuff I don't care about.

Edit: Or maybe save for Edge's USB?

KPC_Mammon fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 10, 2017

Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.



There are still a couple of lucky draws coming up before the fest, right?

Beasteh
Feb 12, 2012

I'M QUESTIONING MY EXISTENCE AND THIS IDIOT JUST WANTS TO PEE OFF A WALL

Imperil, Curaga Medica and BSB Only

Kawalimus
Jan 17, 2008

Better Living Through Birding And Pessimism

KataraniSword posted:

"Jump Start", apparently, which is a lot dorkier and less hype than Full Throttle. But such is the way the renames have gone in global.


Yeah our names always come out sounding a lot dorkier. It's irritating. EXCEPT that I really like the name "Torment" for those dungeons. That's a good one. Obviously we couldn't have ours be Nightmare since that was already the dorkier version of Abyss. But I like it. Why can't they all be like that one.

Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.



Beasteh posted:

Imperil, Curaga Medica and BSB Only

ffff, I'm gonna end up with like one pull on Extreme Fest at this rate. I've actually gotten pretty lucky on most of the meta lynchpin SBs, but I am hurting for Imperils on a handful of elements and I'll never be able to pass up a guaranteed BSB.

Fantastic Alice
Jan 23, 2012





So uh, for those magicite dungeons is trying to abuse imperils to force a weakness a good strategy? Because if so I think I'd just keep team Holy gently caress for them.

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

xanthan posted:

So uh, for those magicite dungeons is trying to abuse imperils to force a weakness a good strategy? Because if so I think I'd just keep team Holy gently caress for them.

No it's a terrible strategy.

But magicite bosses have only slight weakness, so you can stack imperils on top of that to further improve damage ofthe correct element.

poe meater
Feb 17, 2011
Which 50 mythril banner should I pull on? Im a fairly new player, running a orlandeu (super+), delita(burst) , zell(burst), mustadio (burst), rapha (burst). I feel like I need a dedicated healer, Rapha never gets enough meter to burst at the higher difficulty, only gets to do debuff/buff stuff. What do you guys think?

VgameT
Dec 31, 2007

therefore I only muttered "neu"
Hey, I'm a newish player with a question re: pulling or saving mythril for later. Right now I'm approaching level 50 with a team of Agrias/Ramza/Squall/Orlandu/Yuna, with Orlandu and Squall rocking their 6* OSBs, Agrias and Yuna with their recent BSBs, and Ramza with Tailwind and Chant, but no Shout. I'm still early in the game, so for 99% of dungeons so far autoattacking and summoning a RW for the boss has been very effective, and I have approximately a million billion mythril I can scoop out of the realm dungeons. I'm sitting on 55 right now. Should I pull on the new select banner and try for Shout (or Squall's BSB I guess) or should I just chill and wait for new, cooler stuff to show up? I feel like I've already been fairly lucky with relic pulls for my team, but I also feel like I'm not going to be hurting for mythril for a while, especially when realm dungeons are half stamina.

Panic! at Nabisco
Jun 6, 2007

it seemed like a good idea at the time

VgameT posted:

Hey, I'm a newish player with a question re: pulling or saving mythril for later. Right now I'm approaching level 50 with a team of Agrias/Ramza/Squall/Orlandu/Yuna, with Orlandu and Squall rocking their 6* OSBs, Agrias and Yuna with their recent BSBs, and Ramza with Tailwind and Chant, but no Shout. I'm still early in the game, so for 99% of dungeons so far autoattacking and summoning a RW for the boss has been very effective, and I have approximately a million billion mythril I can scoop out of the realm dungeons. I'm sitting on 55 right now. Should I pull on the new select banner and try for Shout (or Squall's BSB I guess) or should I just chill and wait for new, cooler stuff to show up? I feel like I've already been fairly lucky with relic pulls for my team, but I also feel like I'm not going to be hurting for mythril for a while, especially when realm dungeons are half stamina.
Pull on every lucky banner that comes up and wait on fest. Extreme Fest will be extremely good to you, so save up for it.

Schwartzcough
Aug 12, 2009

Don't tease the Octopus, kids!

VgameT posted:

Hey, I'm a newish player with a question re: pulling or saving mythril for later. Right now I'm approaching level 50 with a team of Agrias/Ramza/Squall/Orlandu/Yuna, with Orlandu and Squall rocking their 6* OSBs, Agrias and Yuna with their recent BSBs, and Ramza with Tailwind and Chant, but no Shout. I'm still early in the game, so for 99% of dungeons so far autoattacking and summoning a RW for the boss has been very effective, and I have approximately a million billion mythril I can scoop out of the realm dungeons. I'm sitting on 55 right now. Should I pull on the new select banner and try for Shout (or Squall's BSB I guess) or should I just chill and wait for new, cooler stuff to show up? I feel like I've already been fairly lucky with relic pulls for my team, but I also feel like I'm not going to be hurting for mythril for a while, especially when realm dungeons are half stamina.

You could do a lot worse than pulling on the Nightmare select, but based on the options available now and coming up soon, yeah, pulling on the half-price lucky draws and saving for Fest would probably be best. Keep in mind the realm dungeons are only half stamina for about a week a month, and that's more than half over for this month I think. Plus, realm dungeons take more and more stamina as they get harder, so grinding will slow down a lot. Squeeze as much in as you can now, I guess.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
Finally managed to dunk on Mote Ifrit! :toot:



Even managed to CM it, too!



Soul Breaks used:
Selphie - Dreamstage
Squall - Sub-Zero Blast
Edea - Maelstrom
Seifer - none
Irvine - Canister Shot (don't laugh, it's all I've got for him :saddowns: )

RW was Eiko's USB. Took several restarts because he kept killing people before I got my mitigation up, but once I finally managed to get through the opening stage of the fight with everyone alive, I was able to gradually tear him apart.

I also CM'd Mote Dahaka before this, but that didn't really feel like much of an accomplishment since I was running Raines's BSB and Mote Dahaka's kind of a chump to begin with. :v:

Bahumaut
Apr 6, 2009
So I thought I did a great terrible pull by getting Cid Raines OSB, which is pretty awesome but I have nothing else for him, but my wife got his super, although she already has his bsb. Not sure which one of us came out better.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

So, basically I have Gilgamesh's OSB, Faris' BSB, and Shout. Is there anything I should be looking for in order to cement in a physical team around this? I'm not really sure how any of the 5-level skills work, still sort of working on getting a Wrath and a Lifesiphon up to snuff, so basically anyone that isn't a Knight/Samurai/Dragoon (jeez, he really does it all) like Gilgamesh or the Wrath/pick-a-breakdown of Ramza.

Celerity? Thieves? Not sure where to go from here.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Don't give ramza wrath. It overwrites shout with a pathetic 5% atk buff. Use full break and a breakdown approriate for the boss.

As for where to go next, you lack a really good spellblades user. Spellblades are important source of elemental damage and just in general good damage, and you'll still want a decent white Mage bsb.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Definitely put lifesiphon on him though, because Shout will last for about five turns, and it will take 8-9 turns using non-lifesiphon abilities to generate an SB bar, assuming Ramza doesn't get hit by anything.

This is pretty much the definitive guide for deciding what abilities you should prioritize: https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/4hbewc/expanding_your_options_endgame_ability_creation/?st=iu0bnu1l&sh=53a1bb68

MikeSevigny
Aug 6, 2002

Habs 2006: Cristobal Persuasion
He has Faris' BSB, he doesn't need Full Break, so he can use Lifesiphon or a second break as required (remember that Faris' commands cover Attack and Magic breakdown as well).

Gilgamesh can Draw Fire/Retaliate, which is only situationally useful but lets you punch well above your weight when you can pull it off. There's one Nightmare where I think all four of the sub-bosses can be cheesed that way. You might want to get him Hailstorm too, which I'm pretty sure stacks with Shout and doesn't need to be honed very high, if you have good hones on your second ability.


Having Shout, Chant and Tailwind, I have sometimes put Wrath on Ramza anyway, written him off as a damage dealer, and just used him to back up the attackers. You're not really taking Ramza along for his damage output anyway, even with his BSB. That's a luxury of having a couple years' worth of relics behind you.

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 31, 2003

Scratchmo
full break plus pentabreak from the USB is really really good

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

RagnarokAngel posted:

Don't give ramza wrath. It overwrites shout with a pathetic 5% atk buff. Use full break and a breakdown approriate for the boss.

As for where to go next, you lack a really good spellblades user. Spellblades are important source of elemental damage and just in general good damage, and you'll still want a decent white Mage bsb.

oh, I was thinking Wrath to buff up the gauge, not to overwrite! I'll give him Lifesiphon instead of Gilgamesh

also I did get Aeris' Umbrella, which is apparently a solid Medica that's instant with HP Stock and Shell and poo poo

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Weeping Wound posted:

oh, I was thinking Wrath to buff up the gauge, not to overwrite! I'll give him Lifesiphon instead of Gilgamesh

also I did get Aeris' Umbrella, which is apparently a solid Medica that's instant with HP Stock and Shell and poo poo

Make multiple Lifesiphons, I have 2 and could probably justify 3. 4* combat users are super common and lifesiphon is a drat good ability.

Wrath is basically for mages who have support 4* like Terra or Y'sholta, since losing an attack buff is meaningless to them.

Also I recommend getting these record materias when you can, all of them unlock at 65:

Mako Might (Cloud) and Dr. Mog's Teachings (Tyro) - These 2 are identical and they give you a full SB gauge to start, great for getting a buff like shout on right out of the gate.

Blitz Ace (Tidus) and Battleforged (Ramza) - makes SB gauges generate a lot faster, combine with lifesiphon for really quick gauge gains

Lionheart (Squall) - Similar to Blitz Ace and Battleforged but only works when the character gets hit. Slap this on Gilgamesh since his BSB has taunt on it.

Sorry if I'm stating the obvious but if you didn't have any of these they go a long way in allowing you to spam Soul Breaks.

Beasteh
Feb 12, 2012

I'M QUESTIONING MY EXISTENCE AND THIS IDIOT JUST WANTS TO PEE OFF A WALL

It's called Ace Striker not Blitz Ace

And Lionheart is generally poor at building meter

Gathering Storm, TGCids level 99 RM, is very useful also

Sprite141
Feb 7, 2009

I should really just
learn to stop talking.
Holy hell how hard does omnescent hit? He was doing bonkers damage through sg, shellga and magic breakdown. It might have been that mp group was broken though. I mean I did my bsb but it didn't even put me into burst mode. Like, how does that happen.

Randabis
Apr 2, 2005



Lionheart is also bad on Gilgamesh because I think the character has to actually take damage for it to build meter and if he's taunting with retaliate from command 2 he isn't going to be taking damage except if he gets targeted by magic

He's best off with either battleforged/ace striker or maybe the thundergod rm tg cid gives at level 99. Failing that a rm that boosts his attack will work such as the one he gets at 99 or one of the ones that boost if you are using a certain weapon like swords or katanas.

Dr mog/mako might can work too if its a fight where you'd benefit from getting the tauntilate chain started quicker but usually you'd rather have those on buffers/utility or a healer with a good burst/usb.

Randabis fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Jun 11, 2017

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.
Yeah, Lionheart is best for non-retaliating taunters like a draintanking Golbez or Beatrix with BSB. And even then, needs the right fight. Still an upper tier RM, but it's a specialist.


RagnarokAngel posted:

Don't give ramza wrath. It overwrites shout with a pathetic 5% atk buff. Use full break and a breakdown approriate for the boss.

As for where to go next, you lack a really good spellblades user. Spellblades are important source of elemental damage and just in general good damage, and you'll still want a decent white Mage bsb.

I actually wouldn't sweat spellblades too much - at the 4* level, while still getting your feet, Cloud has you covered if you need it, and you should be leveling Cloud anyway for Materia.

At the 5* level, Spellblades are strictly inferior to the variety of other job skills covering the same elements. (Water for Shooter - and soon Fire and Ice, Mech and Dragoon for Lightning, Thief for Wind, Samurai for Ice, etc etc.)

At the 6* level... well, that's more for leaning really hard into various key relics like an Enwind for Butz.

Beasteh
Feb 12, 2012

I'M QUESTIONING MY EXISTENCE AND THIS IDIOT JUST WANTS TO PEE OFF A WALL

Question for JP veterans:

Say I have Lightning's LMR and plan to fully legend dive her.

Will I be able to slot her dualcast lightning attacks materia AND her 'start battle with haste and instant cast 3'?

Or am I locked into having one of those and her +10% lightning damage sub slot?

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Sprite141 posted:

Holy hell how hard does omnescent hit? He was doing bonkers damage through sg, shellga and magic breakdown. It might have been that mp group was broken though. I mean I did my bsb but it didn't even put me into burst mode. Like, how does that happen.

I think some of his attacks go through sg and shellga which would explain a lot. I have no idea how to tell when this is true and which bosses SG is a waste against

Cador_2004
Oct 13, 2012

Beasteh posted:

Question for JP veterans:

Say I have Lightning's LMR and plan to fully legend dive her.

Will I be able to slot her dualcast lightning attacks materia AND her 'start battle with haste and instant cast 3'?

Or am I locked into having one of those and her +10% lightning damage sub slot?

It's the latter, you can only slot in one between a LMR and LM2.

iPodschun
Dec 29, 2004

Sherlock House

RagnarokAngel posted:

Blitz AceAce Striker (Tidus) and Battleforged (Ramza) - makes SB gauges generate a lot faster, combine with lifesiphon for really quick gauge gains

Lionheart (Squall) - Similar to Blitz Ace and Battleforged but only works when the character gets hit.
There's also Knight's Charge (Steiner) which combines these but for 125% bonus instead of 150%. It was my main healer RM before I got the TG Cid RM.

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

I think some of his attacks go through sg and shellga which would explain a lot. I have no idea how to tell when this is true and which bosses SG is a waste against
The keywords to look out for are "ignores Defense/Resistance" from Dr. Mog or the Reddit AI thread, or "piercing" when people are talking about it. Omniscient doesn't have any piercing attacks other than his Berserked attack says the V AI thread

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


White and Black Magic LDs have too many dupes and duds for me, in the end. Support probably did too, but

already had Artemis Bow, probably didn't need Yoichi Bow, but Princely Raiment is really nice.

Zurai
Feb 13, 2012


Wait -- I haven't even voted in this game yet!

Cador_2004 posted:

It's the latter, you can only slot in one between a LMR and LM2.

This is not true. You can slot any two of LM1, LM2, and LMR you want.

LornMarkus
Nov 8, 2011

Beasteh posted:

Question for JP veterans:

Say I have Lightning's LMR and plan to fully legend dive her.

Will I be able to slot her dualcast lightning attacks materia AND her 'start battle with haste and instant cast 3'?

Or am I locked into having one of those and her +10% lightning damage sub slot?


Cador_2004 posted:

It's the latter, you can only slot in one between a LMR and LM2.

Cador is actually incorrect, per exhibit a:



That would be my Lion wearing both her LM2, Dualcast Thief, and her LMR, Debuff duration extend.

Beasteh
Feb 12, 2012

I'M QUESTIONING MY EXISTENCE AND THIS IDIOT JUST WANTS TO PEE OFF A WALL

Excellent news, cheers goons

LornMarkus
Nov 8, 2011

Since this was another thing brought up in the discord: Please note that the only LMs showing up in that screenshot are Lion's despite me having dived Ramza and Celes too. I even went the extra step of unequipping their LM1s and checking again and she still didn't have access. So unless they made it extremely specific and LM1s are only available to characters who can benefit from them (which is unlike RMs, where you can throw +Spellblade damage on characters who have no Spellblade access) I can confirm LM1s are not freely available to mix and match between characters.

Randabis
Apr 2, 2005



That's because I'm pretty sure LMs are character specific unlike RMs so you can't swap them between characters.

LornMarkus
Nov 8, 2011

Randabis posted:

That's because I'm pretty sure LMs are character specific unlike RMs so you can't swap them between characters.

Yup but some people were saying they'd been told that LM1 could be mixed and matched so I figured I'd throw in the extra note.

Zonko_T.M.
Jul 1, 2007

I'm not here to fuck spiders!

I had a sudden urge to pull on the White Magic Lucky banner, even though I'm well up on White Magic SBs. and got three new items! Larsa's Proshellga (not bad), Ceodore's BSB (that'll help round out my Holy Team) aaaand...

TINY BEE

EDIT: I still haven't beaten Twintania. I've got Bartz's Water BSB now, so that should help, and I might see if Ceodore's off-heal can help, but one of the big problems I'm having with her is her countering physical and black/white magic. Should I just try and push through the counter attacks, or is it better to try and put together a ninja/summon magic team (which I don't have a lot of options for, the only Summon BSB I have is Yuna's BSB2)? Avoiding counter attacks would help me survive, but my DPS would drop off sharply, and I'm pretty sure I'd need some crazy hones to cut through all of her HP. Thoughts?

Zonko_T.M. fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jun 11, 2017

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Are there any Android emulators that I can use to play MP? If I play on my phone 9/10 games result in "Connection Lost" as soon as the level loads. I'm using MEmu for single player but it doesn't work for MP.

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