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AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

hanales posted:

I know Burr started off shaky but he seems to be staying focused on this stuff, and warner is a dog with a bone right now. Closed sessions aren't ideal but poo poo will get leaked anyway.

Mueller and his investigation team are going to have access to closed session transcripts, anyway. If Sessions says anything important to their investigation or (we all hope) perjures himself, it'll come out eventually even if the specifics are kept classified.

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evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

poo poo, I laughed so hard I almost choked. I too would have died doing what I loved, laughing at assholes.

TARDISman
Oct 28, 2011




Who's the chair on both of these?

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

OMBUDSMAN
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Clapping Larry
Yo can we not dump multiple unrelated tweets in a big rear end post please? I have twitter itself for that. I get it if they're all pertinent to a particular subject.

Confounding Factor
Jul 4, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

enraged_camel posted:

I sell and implement automation software to SMBs. I've personally witnessed said software resulting in many layoffs. In one occasion, the automation project was so successful that the customer shuttered an entire department. Eighteen or twenty people were let go because their jobs were made redundant by a bunch of ones and zeroes.

The people laid off weren't doing mindless data entry either. They were business analysts responsible for reporting and forecasting. Once the executives realized they could get the information they need with the click of a few buttons in our software, as opposed to asking the employees for it and having to wait days/weeks for them to manually compile everything, they axed everyone on that team.

And that's just one company. I've been in this line of work for over a decade now and I've seen many such examples.

I can't speak for hardware automation (factories, construction, etc) but software really is eating the world. I'm lucky enough to be on the technical side doing development and implementation. Most people though are hosed.

It's happening at my workplace too, the software side of it. Still whatever possible problems might lie ahead, we are still talking at least another 10 years or so out. This is one of the problems I have with this media obsession that robots/automation are coming for your jobs. Worse that is the blame for wage stagnation and inequality, which couldn't be further from the truth. Like there was a paper that came out in March trying to find evidence of robots and job displacements:
http://www.nber.org/papers/w23285

An article on that paper from Quartz:
https://qz.com/943073/compelling-new-evidence-that-robots-are-taking-jobs-and-cutting-wages/

quote:

However you measure it, the short-term impact of automation has been wrenching for many workers. Yet, history also suggests that fears of new technologies leading to persistently high unemployment are unfounded. Over the long term, markets always find a way to make use of humans’ skills. Assuming this time really isn’t different, they probably will again.

So there is insufficient evidence that would suggest an impending robot/automation disaster.

Yes there are real problems in the labor market right now that have suppressed wages and job creation, but the source of that lies in our policies regarding globalization, collective bargaining, unemployment, etc. Nothing to do with automation/tech/robots. That narrative is distracting from what truly needs to be addressed: the lack of wage growth and growing inequality caused by policies that have moved economic power from low/mid wage workers, but also our productivity growth is far too low.

There just isn't a basis that supports the conclusion automation would increase unemployment or continue wage stagnation. If we had knowledgeable policymakers that care about working Americans they would get to work on addressing the long wage suppression we've suffered under for decades. And if you can craft policies that can produce high wages and good jobs then it will be that much easier for workers to transition into them if they were ever displaced by our new robot overlords.

Education and continuing training are not the solutions, just as much that they weren't sufficient enough to deal with those displaced from manufacturing/factory jobs across a few decades ago.

Confounding Factor fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Jun 11, 2017

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

TARDISman posted:

Who's the chair on both of these?

Cochran and Grassley respectively for the Senate. Frelinghuysen and Goodlatte for the House.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Ol Standard Retard posted:

Yo can we not dump multiple unrelated tweets in a big rear end post please? I have twitter itself for that. I get it if they're all pertinent to a particular subject.

Disagree, PPJ's twit roundup posts are great, and superior to browsing twitter myself.

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Ol Standard Retard posted:

Yo can we not dump multiple unrelated tweets in a big rear end post please? I have twitter itself for that. I get it if they're all pertinent to a particular subject.

Nah those posts are good actually

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
Yeah I thought more about it and it's way better than geography derails so I take it back. Also I like the selections, good job PPJ

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Ol Standard Retard posted:

Yo can we not dump multiple unrelated tweets in a big rear end post please? I have twitter itself for that. I get it if they're all pertinent to a particular subject.

strong disagree

^ good man

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
I also appreciate the tweet dumps, gave up on directly reading twitter a long time ago

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

PPJ your tweet dumps are great and I appreciate the time you spend putting those posts together.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
I think my main beef is fear that the thread just becomes posts full of tweets. I'm not exactly a constant contributor but I do like commentary and seeing goon thoughts on things.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

https://twitter.com/Bro_Pair/status/873604451612930049

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Ol Standard Retard posted:

I think my main beef is fear that the thread just becomes posts full of tweets. I'm not exactly a constant contributor but I do like commentary and seeing goon thoughts on things.

Threads still in D&D so I highly doubt we'll run out of goon thoughts.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
I wonder how fat that dead rear end in a top hat was.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

quote:

Yes there are real problems in the labor market right now that have suppressed wages and job creation, but the source of that lies in our policies regarding globalization, collective bargaining, unemployment, etc. Nothing to do with automation/tech/robots.

The things you listed are also contributing to the problem.

I just don't get why you are discounting automation as a cause.

But whatever. This isn't the automation thread.

N. Senada
May 17, 2011

My kidneys are busted

deep web creep posted:

PPJ your tweet dumps are great and I appreciate the time you spend putting those posts together.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Ol Standard Retard posted:

I think my main beef is fear that the thread just becomes posts full of tweets. I'm not exactly a constant contributor but I do like commentary and seeing goon thoughts on things.

I just hate the way they load asynchronously and cause weird issues with scrolling. It's very jarring.

Hopefully the new forum platform Lowtax is migrating to handle them better.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Ol Standard Retard posted:

I think my main beef is fear that the thread just becomes posts full of tweets. I'm not exactly a constant contributor but I do like commentary and seeing goon thoughts on things.

I generally try to avoiding more than one big post on a page unless the news is either moving so fast that you couldn't keep up with the different sources otherwise or if it's longform replies about upcoming important events (eg the Sessions meeting that he's been gotten to be in closed session, for example; the realization that Burr is covering Session's rear end since he's the chair). If you're refreshing the thread for about 5 minutes after I post it's usually edited at least 2/3 times since there's no twitter link previews so I can cut down on the length or if I find something that's funnier. (Twitter threads by one guy can be cut in half since the previous post is in the subsequent)

Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jun 11, 2017

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Yeah if a bunch of people were doing those constantly, it'd get annoying and drown out discussion, but the current pace is great. Provides fuel for discussion, and helps the thread focus on events other than the current derail.

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Ok I'm trying very hard to go to sleep here and I keep laughing so hard I have to go get a glass of water.

Ularg
Mar 2, 2010

Just tell me I'm exotic.
Occasional corralling of twitter posts is good for someone like me who just doesn't use twitter and wouldn't want my feed constantly filled with this stuff, anyway. It's a lot better here where it has relevance and can be talked about.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Twitter is unreadable so it's good to have other people pick the shinier turds from the dross.

sugar free jazz
Mar 5, 2008

Confounding Factor posted:

It's happening at my workplace too, the software side of it. Still whatever possible problems might lie ahead, we are still talking at least another 10 years or so out. This is one of the problems I have with this media obsession that robots/automation are coming for your jobs. Worse that is the blame for wage stagnation and inequality, which couldn't be further from the truth. Like there was a paper that came out in March trying to find evidence of robots and job displacements:
http://www.nber.org/papers/w23285


I don't care particularly about the argument but thats a working paper dawg

Pythagoras a trois
Feb 19, 2004

I have a lot of points to make and I will make them later.

Confounding Factor posted:

So there is insufficient evidence that would suggest an impending robot/automation disaster.

Yes there are real problems in the labor market right now that have suppressed wages and job creation, but the source of that lies in our policies regarding globalization, collective bargaining, unemployment, etc. Nothing to do with automation/tech/robots. That narrative is distracting from what truly needs to be addressed: the lack of wage growth and growing inequality caused by policies that have moved economic power from low/mid wage workers, but also our productivity growth is far too low.

It's a game of rock paper scissors. Globalization beats American Manufacturing, Tesla's Gigafactor beats Globalization. Nothing beats the Gigafactory except Full Socialism, I think.

Ever Disappointing
May 4, 2004

Cheekio posted:

It's a game of rock paper scissors. Globalization beats American Manufacturing, Tesla's Gigafactor beats Globalization. Nothing beats the Gigafactory except Full Socialism, I think.

Climate Change lays the smackdown on all of these jabronis.

Rigel
Nov 11, 2016

https://twitter.com/Marmel/status/873234555120959488

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Sure, but that's small potatoes. What about gay abortions?

Tom Smykowski
Jan 27, 2005

What the hell is wrong with you people?

Arglebargle III posted:

Twitter is unreadable so it's good to have other people pick the shinier turds from the dross.

Too bad we don't have the same setup for your posts

sharkbomb
Feb 9, 2005

Is this a new discovery, or just revived from a previous campaign?

Also, have the 'I do not support a livable wage' comments made it into attack ads yet?

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

sharkbomb posted:

Is this a new discovery, or just revived from a previous campaign?

Also, have the 'I do not support a livable wage' comments made it into attack ads yet?
AFAIK it's consistent with her previous stances but maybe the first overt statement.

repeating
Nov 14, 2005

It's fine because there's no possibility that bad things could happen if an official spokesperson for the "leader of the free world"'s phone was lost, stolen, or misused for a few seconds to say all kinds of official sounding presidential announcements. Pretty sure you can afford a cheapo tablet or an old phone that's been wiped for your 3 year old and it takes like 20 seconds to set at least a pin/pattern lock.

e: "Hope you like missiles North Korea. See ya at 0336 GMT"

repeating fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jun 11, 2017

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Quorum posted:

Sure, but that's small potatoes. What about gay abortions?

Sir we have talked about this, shoving a baby doll up your butt and asking us to remove it does not constitute a "gay abortion."

Cactus Jack
Nov 16, 2005

If you even try to throw to my side of the field in a dream, you better wake up and apologize.

I know something abhorrent and bigoted is coming when those magic words "As a Christian" appear.

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

Cactus Jack posted:

I know something abhorrent and bigoted is coming when those magic words "As a Christian" appear.

And it always ends with some bullshit cowardice like "I just don't".

They're dumb enough to be ugly bigots, but just aware enough to realize saying "Because I don't think queers are people" will get most centrists mad at them.

repeating
Nov 14, 2005

Cactus Jack posted:

I know something abhorrent and bigoted is coming when those magic words "As a Christian" appear.

It's like a strange "Not to speak ill of the dead, but..."

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Cactus Jack posted:

I know something abhorrent and bigoted is coming when those magic words "As a Christian" appear.

I'm not racist, but, as a Christian . . .

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

skylined! posted:

man there are some great people in our country

https://twitter.com/ZackFord/status/873685381664960513

:ohdear: Won't someone please think of the poor poor war industry?

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Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
"I'm not racist, but..."

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

I'm not racist, but, as a Christian . . .

goddamn you beat me to it

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