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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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You're way off base, he's actually still secretly a trot and all his wingnuttery's just a long con.
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Peter Hitchens is many things including a reactionary crank, but he's quite sane and the sort of opponent you can legitimately have a fruitful coversation with
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Jun 11, 2017 07:58
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TomViolence posted:You're way off base, he's actually still secretly a trot and all his wingnuttery's just a long con. when entryism is taken too far
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Jun 11, 2017 07:59
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBzWTIexszQ Somebody shop Corbyn's face onto the wean in this.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:00
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According to horseshoe theory we're all just fascist fellow travelers, except those in the !!!RADICAL CENTER!!!
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Jun 11, 2017 08:02
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Gunder posted:This has been on my mind too. I half expect young voters to only turn up once, and, seeing as it didn't work flawlessly the first time, get bored and go home. This is a really regressive viewpoint. When we talk about the youth vote we're not just talking about students, we're talking about 18-35 year olds. And speaking as a member of that age group, we're not stupid. We understand that election results are more complicated than a football score. When we talk about the youth vote we're talking about a generation of people who have the ability to educate themselves on any subject they choose, who spend their whole lives exposed to countlessalternative viewpoints on social media and who have just as much interest in a better life for themselves and others as anyone else. The internet is changing the way politics works and we're better equipped for knowledge than any generation before us. Yes, this might all go to poo poo if everyone goes back to ignoring us and putting out policies that treat us like poo poo but if someone offers us a chance for something better we're not going to ignore it.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:04
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Aurubin posted:I don't know who this guy is but his whole shtick of wanting a "true conservative," minus the whole UDA thing, isn't that kinda what the DUP is? If we all just make the assumption this is being argued in good faith. Yeah that's a good point, how come everyone's buttmad about the IRA but don't seem to care about the UDA? They blew up a ton of people too.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:13
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So I've just read that the DUP have demanded the government officially rules out any Irish unity referendum this parliament, which iirc directly contravenes the good Friday agreement. Maybe May is trying to restart the troubles just to make Corbyn's association with the IRA more relevant 
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Jun 11, 2017 08:14
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I came here to post this. The "tactical" vote in my area was lib dem. I was so down on the actual day I just thought gently caress it I'll vote labour because it won't make a difference anyway. Looking at that makes me think I did my bit.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:14
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Lightning Lord posted:Yeah that's a good point, how come everyone's buttmad about the IRA but don't seem to care about the UDA? They blew up a ton of people too.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:15
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The Insect Court posted:For all the bitching from Corbynistas about the insidious Blairite conspiracy to topple Corbyn, the Democratic Party showed what a party with a nomination process controlled by entrenched party elites actually looks like. There literally was a insidious Blairite conspiracy to topple Corbyn. They tried it twice. It was in the news. There was even a vote where they thought people would go for the silly man in glasses. Did you miss all this?
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Jun 11, 2017 08:20
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Alastair Campbell is on BBC in full attack. Its great to see him now back doing what he does and rip the Tories apart.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:20
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Regarde Aduck posted:There literally was a insidious Blairite conspiracy to topple Corbyn. They tried it twice. It was in the news. There was even a vote where they thought people would go for the silly man in glasses. Did you miss all this? Yes but the Democrats made the PLP look competent, which is laughably sad.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:24
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Regarde Aduck posted:There literally was a insidious Blairite conspiracy to topple Corbyn. They tried it twice. It was in the news. There was even a vote where they thought people would go for the silly man in glasses. Did you miss all this? I remember this and the people who fell for it. Glad that ultimately it didn't work because otherwise everyone in the UK would be swapping out their attire for 1984 jumpsuits or 1300s peasant sack clothing as their Betters ruled over them with an iron fist. Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure the people who fell for it were mostly social media shill accounts. Man that stuff is getting easy to spot these days.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:24
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I guess one reason there's so much confusion about what's happening with the DUP is that none of the papers or broadcasters are likely to have much on the way of contacts within it
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Jun 11, 2017 08:27
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Apraxin posted:Stephen Miller, one of Trump's advisers who's close to Steve Bannon and responsible for a lot of the anti-Islam stuff, is 31 and looks like this: Ugly looking people often become right wingers out of despair maybe.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:27
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Zephro posted:I guess one reason there's so much confusion about what's happening with the DUP is that none of the papers or broadcasters are likely to have much on the way of contacts within it Or the Murdock press have been told NOT to cover anything DUP related for fear of a public revolt. "You want to do what now? Get hosed." - average punter who realizes who the DUP are and what they stand for ^ That's the look of someone with very bad genes or a serious high end drug habit. The designer kind.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:28
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Zephro posted:I guess one reason there's so much confusion about what's happening with the DUP is that none of the papers or broadcasters are likely to have much on the way of contacts within it
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Jun 11, 2017 08:30
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I was looking at Armando Iannucci's twitter to see if he's said any funny things about the politics folks and saw he'd posted a few things advocating for setting up some kind of cross-party committee to be in charge of Brexit negotiations. I have no idea how feasible or practical or good this idea is but we've got a day of no news while the DUP observe the Sabbath and May sits alone in her room staring at a portrait of Thatcher, so thought I'd bring it up. On the one hand it does seem like the best way to get a remotely sane Brexit without asking the EU to wait several months for us to have another election, though on the other hand would it still all fall apart Shibawanko posted:Ugly looking people often become right wingers out of despair maybe. I'm left wing though?
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Jun 11, 2017 08:37
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Aurubin posted:Yes but the Democrats made the PLP look competent, which is laughably sad. It's more that the rear end in a top hat can't say anything without snide unfocused potshots. Ok the democrats are bad. Why is he being a dick about it here?
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Jun 11, 2017 08:39
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Angepain posted:I was looking at Armando Iannucci's twitter to see if he's said any funny things about the politics folks and saw he'd posted a few things advocating for setting up some kind of cross-party committee to be in charge of Brexit negotiations. I have no idea how feasible or practical or good this idea is but we've got a day of no news while the DUP observe the Sabbath and May sits alone in her room staring at a portrait of Thatcher, so thought I'd bring it up. On the one hand it does seem like the best way to get a remotely sane Brexit without asking the EU to wait several months for us to have another election, though on the other hand would it still all fall apart Hopefully the EU would maintain their position of extending the deadline if Corbyn wins a GE I suppose.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:40
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Is that some kind of Irish nazi flag on his shoulder? How did this kid grow up so terrified of the world that he thought going out in public in a jumpsuit and metal armor with a fascist flag would make him safe?
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Jun 11, 2017 08:40
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Is it just me or does historical stuff seem to play a greater role in UK politics than North American? People seem more willing to throw their identities away in service of the parties in the US. Maybe it's just because your country's so drat old.Ghetto Prince posted:Is that some kind of Irish nazi flag on his shoulder? How did this kid grow up so terrified of the world that he thought going out in public in a jumpsuit and metal armor with a fascist flag would make him safe? It's the "Kekistani" flag. It's a country made up by 4chan where being racist is part of the rich cultural heritage. It's basically an attempt at being "checkmate, liberals" because you're the real racist if you say being racist is bad. Despite the fact that people already do that poo poo about the US Confederacy.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:41
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There wasn't any agreement to let all parties and countries in the UK get a say in the negotiations when the Tories had their majority, there's no way they'd share that now.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:43
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Ghetto Prince posted:Is that some kind of Irish nazi flag on his shoulder? I kinda wish it was.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:44
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Lightning Lord posted:Is it just me or does historical stuff seem to play a greater role in UK politics than North American? People seem more willing to throw their identities away in service of the parties in the US. Maybe it's just because your country's so drat old.
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I could see a cross-party committee working, actually. Stances on Brexit cross party lines, and it's going to be a huge negative blow to the country anyway so at least this way all the parties can avoid individual blame. It's in nobody's electoral interest to be the single party that tanked the UK economy, it's why nobody in the tory party actually wants to be PM right now. You just immediately run into the issue of whether you make it a soft brexit committee or a hard brexit committee, since this election isn't even that useful as a gauge of what the terms of the exit should actually be aside from "make sure it's good".
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Jun 11, 2017 08:46
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Lightning Lord posted:Is it just me or does historical stuff seem to play a greater role in UK politics than North American? People seem more willing to throw their identities away in service of the parties in the US. Maybe it's just because your country's so drat old. Depends on how historical you mean. Folk have long memories when it comes to stuff like the Troubles, the miner's strikes, Thatcher cunting over half the country and whatnot, but outside of sectarianism in Northern Ireland and Scotland's fluctuating designs on becoming a nation in its own right I reckon the only other historical motor that comes immediately to mind in British politics is imperial nostalgia. Oh and the monarchy too I guess, but that's kind of covered by the latter imo.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:47
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Lightning Lord posted:Yeah that's a good point, how come everyone's buttmad about the IRA but don't seem to care about the UDA? They blew up a ton of people too. the post-GFA status quo, of which everyone is now nominally in favour, is one where the unionists have triumphed - they got the principle of consent. heck they even got the RoI to renounce its claim this makes it very difficult for nationalists to wave a bloody shirt, but not the other way around. you can see this in the Easter Rising anniversary programme last year too - an abandonment of 1970s view that the Troubles are simply the revolutionary spirit of 1916 transported to Belfast. Now suddenly we always are, and always have been, in favour of governance only by consent.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:49
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If the Tories had run on anything other than a terrible manifesto and Brexit then they might have been cowed into sharing the negotiations. As they didn't they only have the fact that they offered Brexit and are doing it to credit themselves with; it would be ludicrous for them to share the one thing that is actually getting them support from UKIP voters and almost completely own the dementia tax.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:51
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Also I'm all in favour of letting the tories demolish themselves trying to make brexit work. You called the election, you said it'd give you your brexit mandate, you called "most votes gets the government", you get on with it then.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:53
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Red Bones posted:I could see a cross-party committee working, actually. Stances on Brexit cross party lines, and it's going to be a huge negative blow to the country anyway so at least this way all the parties can avoid individual blame. It's in nobody's electoral interest to be the single party that tanked the UK economy, it's why nobody in the tory party actually wants to be PM right now. You just immediately run into the issue of whether you make it a soft brexit committee or a hard brexit committee, since this election isn't even that useful as a gauge of what the terms of the exit should actually be aside from "make sure it's good". if either party had a broad parliamentary or membership support for Brexit, it wouldn't have been cast out to a referendum to begin with so neither party feels inclined to let a minority of their own party be Brexit enablers, if there is going to be no partisan payoff at large
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Jun 11, 2017 08:54
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https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/873807386032709632
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Jun 11, 2017 08:55
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Ghetto Prince posted:Is that some kind of Irish nazi flag on his shoulder? How did this kid grow up so terrified of the world that he thought going out in public in a jumpsuit and metal armor with a fascist flag would make him safe? He looks like he is afraid that the camera is going to kill him.
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https://thebaffler.com/salvos/despair-fatigue-david-graeber An interesting article with some interesting points, such as this perspective: quote:In other words, the historical defeat and humiliation of the British working classes is now the island’s primary export product. By organizing the entire economy around the resultant housing bubble, the Tories have ensured that the bulk of the British population is aware, at least on some tacit level, that it is precisely the global appeal of the English class system, up to and including the contemptuous sneer of the Oxbridge graduates in Parliament chuckling over the impending removal of housing benefits, that is also keeping affordable track shoes, beer, and consumer electronics flowing into the country. It’s an impossible dilemma. It’s hardly surprising, then, that so many turn to cynical right-wing populists like UKIP, who manipulate the resulting indignation by fomenting rage against Polish construction workers instead of Russian oligarchs, Bangladeshi drivers instead of Qatari princes, and West Indian porters instead of Brazilian steel tycoons.  
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Jun 11, 2017 09:02
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So, I'm actually enjoying watching George Osborne on The Marr Show. The weirdest timeline
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Jun 11, 2017 09:14
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quote:Surely there is something in this. But it cannot be the whole explanation. The scale is just too large. Do people in Brazil or Korea really send endless container ships full of steel, cars, or computers to Britain because they are charmed by Oxbridge accents or awed by its skill at paperwork? Because paperwork, after all, is all that “financial services” ultimately is, and there are plenty of people in Brazil and Korea who are extremely good at paperwork as well. well there are two, three billion of "them" and not that many "us"; it doesn't that many people who want to ink corporate deals for a couple hundred thousand inkers to be paid well for it. It doesn't have to be London, that's true; in fact the straightforward economics of it would favour the United States or now the heft of Europe - which is why risking passporting rights is really that idiotic. But that's neither here nor there. anyway this is certainly an essay that was written before current events; of the three "how this could turn out" possibilities, exactly none of them are change driven mainly by electoral politics
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Jun 11, 2017 09:15
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Lunar Suite posted:https://thebaffler.com/salvos/despair-fatigue-david-graeber Amazing 
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biglads posted:So, I'm actually enjoying watching George Osborne on The Marr Show. Is he sticking the boot in?
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