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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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waffle posted:I don't think the necessary take home from this is everyone is FYGM, though. When someone feels they are getting paid less than others, they should dislike that situation and try to get paid more, that's the whole point of trade unionism. Those two options as presented are kind of biased towards the worst possible interpretation. Always bank on the worst of human nature to shine through
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Prince John posted:Let's just hope Corbyn is able to do a better job of interacting with the PLP because from speaking to some others in the know, the stories of Corbyn just sitting in silence during meetings etc weren't entirely unfounded. Generally speaking if you just shout abuse at someone you don't get to criticise them for not interacting better with you.
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Jun 12, 2017 00:35
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Pochoclo posted:I remember reading about this study once, where they basically asked people to choose between two options: You can see option 1 in effect in places like San Francisco. All the high earning techbro salaries have massively inflated the CoL to an extreme degree and priced out all of the normal folks. And 50k is more than enough to live comfortably in East Bumfuckshire.
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Jun 12, 2017 00:36
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:An non-shitpost for once Plenty of people work on weekends though so would have the same problem. I'd like to see legal rights for time off work to vote with severe financial penalties for employers who don't cooperate.
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Jun 12, 2017 00:37
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Pochoclo posted:From the study: I think that's ignoring the very real social power of income relative to other people. Most people would probably not mind being paid the same as everyone else, but very few would be willing to get paid half if given the option not to. Also it's rather hard to believe that your spending power would be the same if everyone else made double what you did, when so much in our society (e.g. housing) is priced based on limited supply rather than on what's needed to create it. Not to mention that it's all relative, compared to few centuries ago most poor people's spending power is orders of magnitude greater, so by that token you could say that nobody should complain about being underpaid today, because we are all so rich, just some more and some less so. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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Jun 12, 2017 00:40
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:An non-shitpost for once 1. Historical precedent, Thursday is the day furthest away from the influence of the pubs and church. 2. Too much opportunity for fraud and vote manipulation. Want to vote early get a postal vote. Also please make all your posts non-shitposts.
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Jun 12, 2017 00:51
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:An non-shitpost for once It's a TRADITION dating back to something about seperating people from the conservative bosses and liberal clergy and making thursday the most reasonable date to poll. And one day for voting isn't very hard, you can get a postal vote if you can't attend, use your postal vote to vote in person if you miss that deadline, and get an emergency proxy vote if you're rendered ill. There's no reason not to vote on the day unless you don't know about your options or you don't want to.
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Jun 12, 2017 00:52
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I've voted in three constituencies in my life and I've never had to queue more than maybe three people in front of me, once or twice when they can't find someone on the list or something. For this GE, the EU referendum, the Scottish independence vote and the 2015 GE I've literally walked straight up to get my ballot paper each time. After work, between 6ish and 9ish each time. Unless it's massively different in rural constituencies or something then I don't see getting the time off to vote to be a big problem that needs to be fixed.
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Jun 12, 2017 00:59
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i'm curious does the uk have any of the sorts of voter suppression we have in the us?
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Jun 12, 2017 01:00
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Groovelord Neato posted:i'm curious does the uk have any of the sorts of voter suppression we have in the us?
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Jun 12, 2017 01:07
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Groovelord Neato posted:i'm curious does the uk have any of the sorts of voter suppression we have in the us? Well in the current GE the Tories tried their hand at youth vote suppresion (not entirely a bad choice given the 50%+ advantage that Labour ended up with) through making student voter registration more annoying and by kicking off a lot of people from the electoral register. There's also the talk about voter ID and the recent redistricting, though both of those were based on recommendations from cross-party commissions (which the government decided to follow as it suited them, of course). But for the most part there's not much of it compared to the US.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:08
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i'm mad jelly.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:08
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ukle posted:Complete farce to start with where they ignored their own protocols. Then went full OT demanding all poultry and waterfowl birds to be housed across England and Wales (Scotland and NI sort of ignored it) even though their was no evidence that it makes any difference, while still allowing the bird sanctuaries to stay fully open to the public. Also didn't stop other areas for possible transmission e.g. Pigeon racing - when the first block of infections in December and January was likely caused by wild Pigeons migrating. Then when they finally move the full blocks off they impose these hot spots zones of no movement - but these hot spots were complete made up and made no sense what so ever e.g. known large wild bird lakes missed yet small bodies of water marked as being a hot spot. Those hot spots meant chicken farms were hosed for another 2 months if they just happened to be within 10km's of one. lol holy poo poo, I got the impression DEFRA isn't exactly in top form but this is way worse than I thought Though this explains why the most up-to-date and actually understandable DEFRA online guidance on specialist topics like what live insects you can import into the UK without getting a permit for controlled (potential) pests is defunct leaflets from way before FERA got privatised.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:09
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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In light of the abomination that is the DUP being the Kingmakers now, I wish to hell that Labour would field candidates in NI and maybe offer us some hope of ridding ourselves of the sectarian dinosaur-denying wingnuts that make up the majority of our MPs. I understand Lab's historical reluctance to do so as they've traditionally sided with Irish nationalism, but the Good Friday Agreement has been in place for almost 20 years and has been the bedrock of the peace process and cemented NI's status as a part of the UK until the people of Ireland decide otherwise. I'm registered to vote back at my childhood home in North Antrim that just returned a 2nd-generation Paisley, while I live in the South Belfast constituency that returned a DUP MP officially endorsed by the UDA. A few years back I did a stint working for the Electoral Office of Northern Ireland and pre-election most of my day was spent processing batches of postal vote forms collated from OAP homes, handed in by SF or DUP activists, all filled out in identical handwriting with a feeble scrawl in the Signature box at the end. I also worked a polling station back then and it was literally a parade of over-50s coming in to cast their vote against "them'uns". Any time NI comes to the fore of UK politics we, rightly or wrongly, get mocked as the Bumfuck, NI redneck cousins the rest of the family doesn't like to talk about. But we're not. If anything, being the most economically deprived and democratically-bankrupt area of the UK we're more in need of Full Corbynism than anywhere else.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:10
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Private Speech posted:Well in the current GE the Tories tried their hand at youth vote suppresion (not entirely a bad choice given the 50%+ advantage that Labour ended up with) through making student voter registration more annoying and by kicking off a lot of people from the electoral register. Sadly, the Tories will probably learn from their error of scheduling an election at a time when Uni students have finished their exams but not yet gone home for the holidays.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:12
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Students always vote though, they're not the "young people" that are getting referred to in the voter turnout conversation as far as I understand.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:13
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Hoops posted:Students always vote though, they're not the "young people" that are getting referred to in the voter turnout conversation as far as I understand. I suppose, but the Tories didn't really do much of anything against non-student young people voting. e: Also keep in mind that ~40% of young people are students, and that's counting only the university ones. e2: Wait I forgot, I think there was a household voter registration change too, in that everyone has to register themselves? Possibly? I guess you could take that as targeted at apathetic young people who still live with their parents. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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Jun 12, 2017 01:16
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Namtab posted:1. Historical precedent, Thursday is the day furthest away from the influence of the pubs and church. I'll try At least you guys made Sargon  this week about the GEI sure do love the mental gymnastics he does to make the DUP deal look good for the Tories
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Jun 12, 2017 01:18
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Gonna link to this Con Home piece (never thought I'd be doing that in this thread), both the for the article itself and the comments, which are absolutely jaw-dropping. These guys are actual Tory activists and organizers talking openly about how the party's let them down, their vote-getting machinery is busted, and how Corbyn completely outplayed them in both form and substance. I mean look at this poo poo:quote:Please don’t give me the old “we were unlucky, just a few votes short” or “the machine was weak we didn’t get our message across” routines please. It was precisely because we DID get the message across that we find ourselves in this predicament.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:19
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Hoops posted:Students always vote though, they're not the "young people" that are getting referred to in the voter turnout conversation as far as I understand. Pretty sure students might have had something to do with the shock wins in Canterbury and Reading East amongst others. If the election had been a few weeks later, those votes would have been spread out in other constituencies.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:20
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Apraxin posted:Gonna link to this Con Home piece (never thought I'd be doing that in this thread), both the for the article itself and the comments, which are absolutely jaw-dropping. These guys are actual Tory activists and organizers talking openly about how the party's let them down, their vote-getting machinery is busted, and how Corbyn completely outplayed them in both form and substance. I mean look at this poo poo: "I had no logical reason to vote Tory and I fully admit they are screwing over my son and myself, and yet I voted for them and will continue to vote for them in the future because reasons." Hope their son disowns them. hit button posted:Pretty sure students might have had something to do with the shock wins in Canterbury and Reading East amongst others. If the election had been a few weeks later, those votes would have been spread out in other constituencies. That's not how it works. Students are either registered to vote at home or at their university, and that's where they must vote. It's not dependent on where they are at the time, although that might increase turnout.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:26
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Apraxin posted:Gonna link to this Con Home piece (never thought I'd be doing that in this thread), both the for the article itself and the comments, which are absolutely jaw-dropping. These guys are actual Tory activists and organizers talking openly about how the party's let them down, their vote-getting machinery is busted, and how Corbyn completely outplayed them in both form and substance. I mean look at this poo poo: My son convinced me to vote labour, but I voted Tory anyway because gently caress him
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Jun 12, 2017 01:27
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quote:Please don’t give me the old “we were unlucky, just a few votes short” or “the machine was weak we didn’t get our message across” routines please. It was precisely because we DID get the message across that we find ourselves in this predicament. What a loving oval office. I hope his son never speaks to him again.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:33
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jabby posted:That's not how it works. Students are either registered to vote at home or at their university, and that's where they must vote. It's not dependent on where they are at the time, although that might increase turnout. They're typically registered twice, although they're only allowed to vote once. During term time, their vote is concentrated in one place, whereas the rest of the time it's spread across the shires wherever their parents live.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:37
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Clyde Radcliffe posted:In light of the abomination that is the DUP being the Kingmakers now, I wish to hell that Labour would field candidates in NI and maybe offer us some hope of ridding ourselves of the sectarian dinosaur-denying wingnuts that make up the majority of our MPs. I understand Lab's historical reluctance to do so as they've traditionally sided with Irish nationalism, but the Good Friday Agreement has been in place for almost 20 years and has been the bedrock of the peace process and cemented NI's status as a part of the UK until the people of Ireland decide otherwise. The Northern Ireland branch of the labour party are actually prepping a court case about being allowed to field candidates - they had an agreement with the NEC a consultation would be carried out before the next GE but it was "paused" when the snap election was called with no conclusion. I still think it's pretty unlikely Labour will field candidates here - Its more than just a historic sympathy for nationalism, Labour don't stand candidates here cause they initially recognized Irish Labour as having sole organizing rights (switching to recognize the SDLP when they got formed). Even now you have the mish-mash union system with half the unions congressing with TUC and half with ICTU. Even within Labour the left of the party is opposed to organizing here let alone standing (Corbyn himself remains against standing candidates) as well as the Irish Society (who want to stick with the SDLP) and the Blairite wing who read "impartiality" as meaning "don't get involved full stop" and when they announced the consultation process they said they would be talking to Irish Labour as well (who might not be too keen if they get no say in the matter). Honestly I don't think there's the desire to get involved from any wing of the party - only person in Labour i know who has made anything approaching public noises about supporting it is Burnham. A regional party with actual left wing policies that embraces constitutional neutrality and allows dual membership with Labour/Irish Labour and isn't the creaking wreck that is the SDLP would be preferable
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Jun 12, 2017 01:38
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jabby posted:That's not how it works. Students are either registered to vote at home or at their university, and that's where they must vote. It's not dependent on where they are at the time, although that might increase turnout. That is how it works. Students are entitled to register at both at their home and term-time address.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:39
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Apraxin posted:Gonna link to this Con Home piece (never thought I'd be doing that in this thread), both the for the article itself and the comments, which are absolutely jaw-dropping. These guys are actual Tory activists and organizers talking openly about how the party's let them down, their vote-getting machinery is busted, and how Corbyn completely outplayed them in both form and substance. I mean look at this poo poo: I was listening to a interview with Peter Hitchens and he seemed to suggest the party do away with the 1922 committee.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:47
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I keep seeing this idea that naïve young people voted Labour on the promise of better financial support (usual expressed as "freebies"). And I can't help wondering how this is either naïve rather than just good sense, or any different from old people voting Tory for their freebies. Not had a good response from anyone voicing the opinion yet though.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:48
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mycomancy posted:What a loving oval office. I hope his son never speaks to him again. The other side is actually good but im not going to switch sides because?????????.txt That guy's brain literally doesn't work right. He can form logical conclusions but can't act logically on them.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:49
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big scary monsters posted:I keep seeing this idea that naïve young people voted Labour on the promise of better financial support (usual expressed as "freebies"). And I can't help wondering how this is either naïve rather than just good sense, or any different from old people voting Tory for their freebies. Not had a good response from anyone voicing the opinion yet though. Young people don't deserve good things, only baby boomers. Regarde Aduck posted:The other side is actually good but im not going to switch sides because?????????.txt I dunno about working right but it's certainly pretty common that being proved factually wrong just makes people defensive.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:51
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quote:Please don’t give me the old “we were unlucky, just a few votes short” or “the machine was weak we didn’t get our message across” routines please. It was precisely because we DID get the message across that we find ourselves in this predicament. Wait what. Am I reading this right. 'My son plainly demonstrated that Labour won every argument and the Tory party is awful and offers nothing to society, and he even actually managed to reinvigorate the socialist leanings of my youth that years of cynicism had buried...So I voted Tory'. What the actual gently caress kind of a position is that. I absolutely hate that (hopefully small) section of society that almost sees politics as a team sport rather than a way of improving society. I mean loving hell, they're actually angry that their side had poor form and lost and they're embarrassed about it, but seem unable to accept that maybe they're on the wrong side. How divorced from the actual consequences of politics are these people.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:01
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Regarde Aduck posted:The other side is actually good but im not going to switch sides because?????????.txt I mean, I can understand to a point he'd want to vote Con because FYGM or gently caress the Youths (making him a oval office) but the fact that he recognizes that his head is also on the same chopping block and conservative policy is the executioner and he STILL loving VOTES FOR THEM is beyond my ken (making him an absolute loving oval office).
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Jun 12, 2017 02:02
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a society grows great when men plant seeds for trees whose shade they will never sit in.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:02
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The UK press in the 70s were phenomenally successful in breaking the brains of a generation.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:05
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It's the "Shy Tory" effect. They recognise that all the things Labour is offering is gonna make a whole lot of people better off, but in the end, it mostly boils down to "muh taxes". They just have to come up with some sort of argument for themself and others for why their vote isn't entirely out of pure egoism. The Tory campaign didn't give them such an argument this time around.
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Apraxin posted:Gonna link to this Con Home piece (never thought I'd be doing that in this thread), both the for the article itself and the comments, which are absolutely jaw-dropping. These guys are actual Tory activists and organizers talking openly about how the party's let them down, their vote-getting machinery is busted, and how Corbyn completely outplayed them in both form and substance. I mean look at this poo poo: "There has been almost contempt towards the grassroots for many years. There is little engagement with activists at any level, other than election times. Central Office operates like it is in a little cocoon. There is a complete failure to recognise talent within the Party Membership. Under Cameron it seemed to about the biggest financial donors and little else." Which party did this person imagine themselves to be signing up for?
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Jun 12, 2017 02:10
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I'll try Ah yes, the "classical liberal" who makes videos about the scary SJW's censoring the internet goes and votes for the party who wants to censor and control the internet.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:11
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quote:By polling day I was completely punch drunk. The only reason I voted Conservative at the end was sheer bloody mindedness after my son had systematically destroyed any logical arguments I had for supporting a regime that had royally screwed him over and was now coming for me as I approach my dotage. I found myself actually wishing for a Corbyn victory, just to see if the socialist paradise I dreamed of as a teenager was really possible and if not, safe and smug in the knowledge that I could safely shuffle off this mortal coil leaving my son to pay for clearing up the mess! how can this be real  how can people think and act like this good god
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quote:I found myself actually wishing for a Corbyn victory, just to see if the socialist paradise I dreamed of as a teenager was really possible and if not, safe and smug in the knowledge that I could safely shuffle off this mortal coil leaving my son to pay for clearing up the mess! I just saw the bolded part. For real, gently caress this guy in hell forever.  should be his ticket there.
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