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now shitposting, shitposting is for the real men
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Vox Nihili posted:You're an idiot, dude. No one is noting your nonvote, your precious conscience is all you have. You aren't a tool if you vote for a crappy candidate over a really evil candidate, you're a tool if you refuse to vote at all because you can't get what you really want. You might as well go piss on a poor person. I'm not telling them to refuse to vote if you actually read. I'm telling them to vote for who they feel comfortable voting for, which if it's no one then vote for no one. But still vote. I want all areas to have instant runoff ranked choice to provide the best metrics and voting for the same piece of poo poo over and over because the system is designed to prevent actual good candidates gives them metrics to keep being huge pieces of poo poo. This isn't about Dems vs Republicans. This is about voting for things you agree with and telling people to vote against their own beliefs just because it's the only option and you refuse to give them alternate options is dumb as gently caress. Make ranked choice default. Vote your conscience. Quit judging people because they don't like the lovely flavor of dem their local dems force them to be subjected to. ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 03:05 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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deadgoon posted:now shitposting, shitposting is for the real men
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Jun 12, 2017 02:49
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Just as a metric, in many states more people voted for no-confidence/no one than they voted for 3rd party. Perhaps more so than previous years. Maybe all candidates where poo poo? It at least provides a metric for an argument towards such to encourage those to change their views to attract more votes in that area, adjusting to the demographics, to win.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:50
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my view is that you shouldn't vote at all on Election Day I didn't in 2016 and it was great
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Jun 12, 2017 02:51
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donald trump, who has absolutely no political experience, and who's success was derided as impossible by every experienced member of the political establishment, is now president because of shitposting
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Jun 12, 2017 02:51
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Joementum posted:my view is that you shouldn't vote at all on Election Day I wish I could be as cool as you
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Jun 12, 2017 02:57
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don't blame me, i voted for al giordano
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Jun 12, 2017 02:58
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docbeard posted:I still maintain that Bernie should move to West Virginia and primary Joe Manchin. https://newrepublic.com/article/142774/its-time-west-virginia-rise-up-qa-paula-swearengin
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Jun 12, 2017 02:58
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Jun 12, 2017 02:59
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Concerned Citizen posted:don't blame me, i voted for al giordano sadly, he chickened out and isn't running in 2018. I was looking forward to him getting stomped by a parade of Birkenstocks
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Jun 12, 2017 02:59
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Joementum posted:sadly, he chickened out and isn't running in 2018. I was looking forward to him getting stomped by a parade of Birkenstocks Al Giordano Would Have Won
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Jun 12, 2017 03:02
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cutting rent by even 1/3 for poor/middle class ppl would be a staggeringly massive boost to the economy
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Jun 12, 2017 03:03
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Concerned Citizen posted:i wish like 1000 more floridians had voted for gore instead of their conscience in 2000 idk if just 1000 more would have been too many for the republicans to disappear
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Jun 12, 2017 03:03
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you could seriously just reduce the cost of rent and implement cheaper healthcare and you wouldnt really need a 15 dollar minimum wage lol
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Jun 12, 2017 03:04
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don't worry once the inevitable pendulum of lovely american politics swings the other way, some woke dem can get elected president and be the serious adult in the room and gut social security with a republican congress like obama failed to do
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Jun 12, 2017 03:04
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anime was right posted:you could seriously just reduce the cost of rent and implement cheaper healthcare and you wouldnt really need a 15 dollar minimum wage lol
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comedyblissoption posted:don't worry once the inevitable pendulum of lovely american politics swings the other way, some woke dem can get elected president and be the serious adult in the room and gut social security with a republican congress like obama failed to do I don't wanna be a jerk about this but it wasn't inevitable, it wasn't even a pendulum swing, it was a concerted effort by people who decided the future of the democratic party was literally Yuppies instead of the poor and working class Nothing is inevitable in politics. Things are the way they are because people made them that way, and that means we can make them different. This world is ours to change.
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anime was right posted:cutting rent by even 1/3 for poor/middle class ppl would be a staggeringly massive boost to the economy yes, but would it solve racism? anyway we all know that housing is one of the biggest vectors through which americans are sucked dry by rentiers and said rentiers are not interested in seeing their client politicians letting that dry up. if macron actually campaigned on housing costs despite being firmly in the FIRE world like everyone in the US establishment that's interesting. i wonder if french bankers are less engorged on real estate than their american counterparts and/or if EM will actually deliver.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/874020406159712256 Anyone got the leanings of PR?
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someone tell trump that puerto rico loves him and they'll be a state by the end of the week
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Jun 12, 2017 03:11
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how many states did obama admit, trump? 0. you could make history, let's do this
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Jun 12, 2017 03:12
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puerto rico could probably bribe him with some land to build a lovely hotel
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Jun 12, 2017 03:13
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ThndrShk2k posted:Anyone got the leanings of PR? It's very mixed, but recent emigration makes it impossible to know now. It could end up being a battleground state or a safe-ish Democratic state with quirky local demands.
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Jun 12, 2017 03:14
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Isnt Puerto Rico disastrously in debt or something?
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comedyblissoption posted:but then pharma and health insurance will stop shoveling money into our election coffers and offering us cushy jobs in the private sector after we get out of public office if they improved the social safety net, they wouldn't need to get a cushy job in the private sector when they leave office. just saying.
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Not a Step posted:Isnt Puerto Rico disastrously in debt or something? yes. one of the reasons statehood would be good for them.
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Not a Step posted:Isnt Puerto Rico disastrously in debt or something? yep. and the argument against statehood is that they would be able to discharge those debts by bankruptcy. so guess which argument is backed by the financial sector
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Grondoth posted:I don't wanna be a jerk about this but it wasn't inevitable, it wasn't even a pendulum swing, it was a concerted effort by people who decided the future of the democratic party was literally Yuppies instead of the poor and working class
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Jun 12, 2017 03:19
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i said it before, i'll say it again: gently caress it, give statehood to puerto rico and dc both. let's make the dems have their first primaries with the newest states.
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I'm gonna get real for a second, and I'm gonna write a lot of words. I promise it won't hurt much. As I've mentioned on occasion, I grew up in the Mennonite church, and I still identify with them more or less (as Terry Pratchett and/or Neil Gaiman wrote in Good Omens, when I avoid going to church, it's a Mennonite church I avoid going to). And this piece (which I found when I was looking for modern Mennonites' thoughts on voting, because in the past their position on it has been "don't") about halfway down this page has really helped me sort out a lot of my own attitude toward principled participation in a political process where, basically, all the available options suck. (There's some other good stuff there too, and also some eye-rolly stuff, but this is the one that spoke to me, especially the line I bolded.) quote:As members of God’s kingdom, we will always clash with human power structures. As Christians, we are at odds with all governments that would claim our allegiance. It is our calling to stand with the oppressed, to reject greed, violence, and the destruction of creation. Christianity is essentially a religion of protest, struggle, and suffering for the sake of our God. (Note: "The Kingdom of God" is generally the justice-minded Christian's equivalent to "Full Luxury Automated Space Communism".) I actually agree (sigh) with ThndrShk2k (that is so deeply unpleasant to write) that you should ultimately vote in the way that best reflects your conscience and your principles. You should know what your vote, or your non-vote, will and won't accomplish (it won't send a message, at least not any message you probably want to send, because the sorts of people who make decisions upon reading vote counts are masters at the art of making data say whatever they want), but once you understand that, you're the one who has to live with what you do. And if you can't stomach voting for a "bad Dem", I suppose I can't really blame you. I know, I know, that so many Democrats are disappointing and infuriating, and some of them are complicit in the wholly indefensible exploitation of prison labor, and so few of them in any sense represent the things I hold valuable and true. (I am super privileged to live in Keith Ellison's congressional district, so there's at least one person I can wholeheartedly support in some things, if not in everything. But that list is a very very short list.) I would still rather spend my time trying, however futilely, to push the rich urbanites who just want to paint a rainbow flag on the status quo and call it good toward actual justice, actual change, actual relief for the folks down here on the ground than spend that time arguing against the folks who are like five minutes away from showing up in poor neighborhoods with a flamethrower and a cigar and calling the resulting war crime "infrastructure". There's a difference. It's not anywhere near enough of a difference, God knows, but it's there. If you can't do that, if the way you choose to struggle against the excesses of powerful is to deny them even your tacit endorsement, then I respect that, I do. Just don't give up. That's the important thing. And some potato salad. No scrapple though, I don't know anyone who actually eats that poo poo.
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What if instead of making puerto rico a state, we abolished all borders.
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Grondoth posted:Why isn't DC a state? because that would be unconstitutional
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Grondoth posted:Why isn't DC a state? they can become a state when they learn to vote republican like the rest of them
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Grondoth posted:Why isn't DC a state? All them disenfranchised college students and African American voters is good for the conservatives.
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Joementum posted:because that would be unconstitutional that's a reason
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Joementum posted:because that would be unconstitutional can they make the buildings d.c. but every other part virginia or something?
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every resident of dc is now a sovereign citizen and makes up their own government, and these many governments will enter into a contract to incorporate themselves into a single corporation d/b/a a state
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anime was right posted:can they make the buildings d.c. but every other part virginia or something? yes, though the land those buildings occupy would be part of the district. the only requirement is that D.C. cannot exceed ten square miles in total size. it could even be in multiple locations.
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