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Slim Pickens posted:Is this Glen Helen? That track's so ridiculously fast. Thunder Valley in CO
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Jun 8, 2017 21:13
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Nothing new. They stole that from KTM.
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Jun 8, 2017 21:19
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Coydog posted:Nothing new. They stole that from KTM. BMW's shift forks would like a word.
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Jun 8, 2017 21:44
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I saw that today, what's going on is Honda having a rash of shite transmissions or what
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Jun 8, 2017 23:46
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That and what appears to be a horrible electronics package that has its own bag of issues. That bike has nearly killed two TT legends and should be killed off and recalled.
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Jun 8, 2017 23:51
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builds character posted:BMW's shift forks would like a word. shift spoons.
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Jun 9, 2017 00:37
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I suspect electronics are more to blame than the box itself cause that engine is unchanged architecturally.
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Jun 9, 2017 04:15
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Slavvy posted:I suspect electronics are more to blame than the box itself cause that engine is unchanged architecturally. I'm admitting now that I am fairly ignorant when it comes to the newer electronic packages and how they interact with bike in regards to assists and aids. How would an electronics failure cause false neutrals from 4th to 3rd? It's not shift by wire? The shift lever is still connected to the drum, and the drum to the fork, right? From the video of Martin's come off, it looked like he tried multiple times to engage the shift lever to get the bike to down shift and got nothing but air every time. If I had to guess, I'd say something is wrong with the drum or fork.
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Jun 9, 2017 05:05
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Quick shifter and downshift blipping could play a part, I'll confess to not having seen any footage but if he were mechanically unable to get it into gear then yeah something is wrong there. I'd still point the finger at whoever put the engine together, or a defective part.
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Jun 9, 2017 05:21
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Here is the video for anyone that has not seen it. I did not realize it had not been posted before considering the conversation topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjZXaUwYoog You can hear him frantically banging down on the shifter right before he's booted off the saddle. Scary poo poo. It is one thing to gently caress up and make a personal mistake to cause a racer to be in a situation such as this, but to have absolutely no control, and possibly no confidence in the machine that they are relying on to move them around the course is frightening. I personally believe this is why Guy looks so shook in the post crash interview. I'd even question whether he would have had a different demeanor had the crash been a rider error.
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Jun 9, 2017 06:08
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Fucks sake, he looks ready to quit motorcycle racing in that interview 
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Jun 9, 2017 07:16
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Slim Pickens posted:Fucks sake, he looks ready to quit motorcycle racing in that interview I felt like this was his last hurrah. Big team, big manufacturer, big team mate. I wonder if these issues will crop up with the street bikes?
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Jun 9, 2017 09:00
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I dunno bout last hurrah, but to me that was the face of a dude who was feeling his mortality and wanted to lash out at Honda for that but knows enough to hold back and answer 'right' by this point. You can see his answers in his face before he says a reserved (for Guy Martin) answer.
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Jun 9, 2017 09:29
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nsaP posted:I dunno bout last hurrah, but to me that was the face of a dude who was feeling his mortality and wanted to lash out at Honda for that but knows enough to hold back and answer 'right' by this point. You can see his answers in his face before he says a reserved (for Guy Martin) answer. Agreed, Martin is doing the team thing by not making GBS threads on the bike that clearly almost killed him. He'll be back next year, bikes are in his blood by his own admission, he'll die before he properly retires.
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Jun 9, 2017 11:59
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I just love "a box full of neutrals".
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Jun 9, 2017 15:05
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I've only experienced false neutrals from shifting up. Must be terrifying to be in a corner with no engine braking at all.
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Jun 9, 2017 15:12
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Something I did not consider is he may be running gp shift. It can be a bit more complicated trying to shift a lever up instead of down with body position playing a factor. Anyone know which style most road racers prefer? It would be my guess that there is a bigger percentage of road racers who use a conventional shift pattern as opposed to purely track based racers.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:13
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It's about toe clearance when leaned over on the left side so I'd imagine most all serious racers run GP shift
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Jun 9, 2017 17:24
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Why don't street bikes work that way? There doesn't seem to be any disadvantage to GP shift pattern, other than inertia because every bike uses the conventional pattern.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:36
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I think it's just "that's the way it's always been done"
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Jun 9, 2017 17:51
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I think it's just "that's the way it's always been done" Shifting "up" and "down" would get real confusing real fast. "Upshift as you come to a halt" - Stopping in sixth. "Clutchless downshifting is fine, just don't upshift." - Wrecks gearbox.
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Jun 9, 2017 18:05
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Sagebrush posted:Why don't street bikes work that way? There doesn't seem to be any disadvantage to GP shift pattern, other than inertia because every bike uses the conventional pattern. I'd rather down shifting be easier for situations not un-similar to what started this discussion. If you find yourself coming in too hot or needing to escape a situation it's easier to bang down a lever and let the bike help slow you or give you a lower gear for more power. I've rarely found myself mid corner and hanging off the bike wishing I could more easily up shift to shave a few fractions of seconds it takes to wait or search for the lever. I have used split second down shifts to prepare for a possible sticky situation. I don't think gp shift is more practical for street situations, even aggressive canyon riders to be entirely honest. I also think most do it on their street bikes because they want to be street Rossi. Or at least in my experience, I've come to that conclusion with the few people I've met who run gp shift all the time. That being said, I grew up riding 80 and 90 model quads and three wheelers that had reversed shift patterns.
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Jun 9, 2017 18:25
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I really liked running GP shift on my track bike. I never had issues swapping between the two of them (left dirt and street bike normal shift), but occasionally, when riding aggressively on the street my brain would equate speed with GP shift and I'd have trouble. I really do prefer it though, just not every bike makes it easy to swap so I'm not going to use it full time. I find clicking up to row down gears while braking a more complementary action and the 'flick down' to drive out of corners is a lot easier when you are riding at your personal 10/10ths of ability. I think its the flight stick/joystick preference all of us with brothers had when growing up. You like it down stick to pull up, they like up=up, and swapping controllers between friends is a nightmare.
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Jun 9, 2017 21:01
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https://instagram.com/p/BVIc2VvBmNV/
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Jun 9, 2017 21:29
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That's....hmm.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:05
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Slavvy posted:That's....hmm. Really that's all we can say about... That...
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Jun 10, 2017 02:33
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I liked GP shift when I tried it on a rented track bike, plan to try it on the street with my next bike. The 500 hasn't got any more lean angle available even with normal shifting.
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Jun 10, 2017 06:20
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agreed
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Jun 10, 2017 08:18
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Sagebrush posted:Why don't street bikes work that way? There doesn't seem to be any disadvantage to GP shift pattern, other than inertia because every bike uses the conventional pattern. Is it to do with gearboxes requiring more force to shift down than up? I'm sure someone told me that at some point.
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Jun 10, 2017 09:22
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I can't think of any benefit to GP shift on a road bike but I can think of negatives, I mean track riding and street riding are complete opposites. You want quick upshifts on the track and the downshifts don't need to be as fast cause it's in controlled braking. But the street is 180, you don't need fast upshifts, more fast downshifts if you are emergency braking, and this would be in an unpredictable time. It's so much easier to tap down than you be reacting to whatever and trying to get your foot under the lever to work it up.
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Jun 10, 2017 09:33
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It's good to see Guy Martin in his environment when he is enjoying himself after the previous video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb3pptYyU-Q
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Jun 11, 2017 06:23
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46KuqaehOHc in gif form: 
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Jun 11, 2017 19:17
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I don't know how they fit these guys for track suits when they're packing two stone of brass balls. Just watching that video made my rear end pucker.
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Jun 11, 2017 19:58
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tjones posted:It's good to see Guy Martin in his environment when he is enjoying himself after the previous video: Yeah, after that crash, and even the next day, he was really out of sorts. Also stolen from YOSPOS  
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Jun 11, 2017 22:05
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I don't get why chopper riders think it's okay to ride without a front brake I had a lady friend die in the Rockies from a high side into a guard rail. She was riding with my other buddy, they were both on choppers coming down to Denver from the mountains. Typical rear lockup from painic braking at something. It wasn't his fault but I still kinda blame the fad that encouraged them to build those stupid unrideable bikes It was tragic as gently caress. A MIRACLE fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jun 11, 2017 |
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Jun 11, 2017 22:42
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I guess if it's raked out enough, you'd have to run a pretty weak front brake to keep it from locking the wheel up whenever you used it due to insufficient weight transfer. So why even have it if it's drat near useless in the first place? I'm grasping at straws here, but that's the only semi-plausible reason I could come up with. Sorry your friend died because of a lovely fad.
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Jun 11, 2017 23:27
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If that wasn't enough, choppers look sound and feel like poo poo too. But that doesn't put very many people off.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:57
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ugh Edit: Atlanta supposedly https://streamable.com/ltlj3 https://cdn-e2.streamable.com/video/mp4/ltlj3.mp4?token=1498460698_30967359b4e59e7d21b7772ae2377f343c83bd36 `Nemesis fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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`Nemesis posted:ugh What is this? Some sort of moron pride ride?
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