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Yeah, my bad. I thought this Notch guy was somehow involved in GG so I kind of ran the two things together in my post. I have played a bit of Minecraft but I never knew anything about the guy who made it. I should probably just go read the Wikipedia article. (true fact: When I first asked what the heck Gamergate was on another forum, they told me I couldn't just read the Wikipedia article of it because it was biased and full of lies. I don't post there anymore) I'm getting into this channel called Folding Ideas which is pretty popular and well-known but I just learned about it because he talks a fair bit about superhero movies which I am also starting to watch more of. But he also had a video on Gamergate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VtjZHC5Qyk Dan seems like a cool dude.
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NikkolasKing posted:Yeah, my bad. I thought this Notch guy was somehow involved in GG so I kind of ran the two things together in my post. I have played a bit of Minecraft but I never knew anything about the guy who made it. half, about gg, and half about just general white-guys-on-internet-criticizing-feminists, i really recommend this series by innuendo studios/ian danskin - the guy that made This Is Phil Fish, if you remember that video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y8XgGhXkTQ
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bessantj posted:It's STILL going on? What the gently caress? These people have got to have some problem. How can you care about something so innocuous so long after it happened. I remember after the whole thing kicked off I was reading the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe forum and saw someone post something like "This proves Rebecca Watson wants to destroy all relationships" and I thought it was someone having a joke. A little reading later made me realise he was 100% serious and I didn't go back to that forum for over a year because that's insane. Again, these are manchildren who have nothing and are nothing. They fixate on this stuff because there's nothing else to fill the void while queuing up on LOL now that they gave up porn. Also, both these cases involve an averagish (not really, but not HB10s either) women shrugging off guys they identified with. If these dudes who actually have jobs, educations, and human worth can't impress these women, what chance do any of them have? Instead of doing something useful like improving themselves or dying a despair death, these guys decided that spewing their poo poo over the internet in a temper tantrum. NikkolasKing posted:I'm getting into this channel called Folding Ideas which is pretty popular and well-known but I just learned about it because he talks a fair bit about superhero movies which I am also starting to watch more of. But he also had a video on Gamergate. Dan Olsen is really good. He really got the ire of gaters and channers when he did some investigative work and found that 8chan was linking to kiddie pron. Who would ever guess that these basement dweller weebs would be into little kids? It's not they watch movies and read manga full of sexualized children or anything.
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NikkolasKing posted:Yeah, my bad. I thought this Notch guy was somehow involved in GG so I kind of ran the two things together in my post. I have played a bit of Minecraft but I never knew anything about the guy who made it. He's literally the most successful indie game developer of all time. Notch in retrospect appears like someone who was very happy developing away at his passion project with a small but devout community. It seems to be around the time Minecraft's sales went into the millions and he stopped being a one-man operation that he gradually started being miserable as his tightly knit community transformed into a massive mainstream audience with demands. Eventually things culminated with him selling off the company to Microsoft on a whim (he literally announced his interest to sell over a tweet), burning a shitload of bridges in the process and then moving half across the world to rot away in a 50 million dollar mansion. This last part happened around the same time as Gamergate had started popping up and uh yeah... While Gamergate ended up being a huge preliminary run for the alt-right movements appearing online in the US in the 2016 election I wouldn't spend too much time effort reading up on it. The whole thing is just a stupid today as when it started.
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rkajdi posted:You can't? The guys doing this are (rightly) economically dispossessed losers. Gonji was the best case trajectory for their lives. If he's a liar, he's a standard loser who realizes he lost the best relationship he ever had a chance at because he's a trash monster and is raging. If he's telling the truth, he's a sad sack loser who should be laughed at for getting walked on by a obviously better person. The only reason this caught on is because there's a contingent of basement dwelling losers who realize if Gonji is better than they could hope for as a life goal, they are going to die alone surrounded by murder simulators and waifu body pillows. And of course they are white dudes so people have to at least pretend they have value before pushing them into a corner instead of just telling them to know their place and STFU. Well I get the "why", it's just that I can't help but think this is all just so loving absurd. Is this going to be the odd, kinda funny, instigating moment some kid is going to learn about 100 years from now? Like how the Black Hand tried to assassinate Archduke Ferdinand, initially failed miserably, had a guy break his neck diving into 3 inches of water trying to escape, and the only guy who didn't go home to hang his head in shame, but instead decided to get a sandwich and a port to drown his sorrows in, ended up right next to the duke when his brand new auto-mobile stalled next to cafe he was at? "Mommy? Why did the USA collapse?" asks some 4th grader doing their history homework. "Well there was this lady named Zoe Quinn, and she made a game about depression, which seemed to piss off like half the world."
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Sure seems so. Though as an economist I would probably blame the 1980's or 2008 first.
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I legit want to see someone do a deep dive into the development of the "alt-right". I remember seeing the Fatpeoplehate thing pop up on reddit a few years ago, just past peak gamergate, and thinking that these guys are just desperate for an "acceptable" demographic to hate on. And before that, GG, the "chimp-ire", various old school edgy boards acting like 4chan, the "violent-acres" guy, there really is a series of controversies that lead directly to each other. And I think at least from GG to FPH to T_D people have looked into who the subscribers are on those places and there is ton of overlap. Overlap that goes well beyond "similar interests" and into "It's literally the same group of people jumping from one topic to the next refining their methods and honing in on the perfect topic". It's things like that which make me think Prester Jane is at least on the right track.
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Crain posted:I still can't quite grasp that a dude getting dumped by a small time game dev spiraled so far out of control. there is no limit the eternal Madness of guys who spend all day on the internet talking about video games, far away from women yet still desiring their touch it's like a giant bone dry forest waiting for a woman with pink hair to sneeze
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What's baffling is that if you want someone to hate you can just be a communist and hate the rich, which is both acceptable and correct.
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https://twitter.com/notch/status/874111340096258049 I wonder how long it will take him to turn into some Howard Hughes type crazy billionaire.
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MiddleOne posted:He's literally the most successful indie game developer of all time. Notch in retrospect appears like someone who was very happy developing away at his passion project with a small but devout community. It seems to be around the time Minecraft's sales went into the millions and he stopped being a one-man operation that he gradually started being miserable as his tightly knit community transformed into a massive mainstream audience with demands. Eventually things culminated with him selling off the company to Microsoft on a whim (he literally announced his interest to sell over a tweet), burning a shitload of bridges in the process and then moving half across the world to rot away in a 50 million dollar mansion. This last part happened around the same time as Gamergate had started popping up and uh yeah... wealth ruins people. i mean he'd probably still be a shitlord if he remained a nobody but now he's not capable of forming new social relationships without that constant nagging feeling if people are just pretending to be nice to him for his money. which is GREAT that he moved from sweden to loving los angeles for some reason lmao SimonChris posted:https://twitter.com/notch/status/874111340096258049 he already is. super wealthy, socially isolated, and devoted to weird projects
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I really like Shaun's fate of the frogmen video for trying to track the origin of the shithead movement. It's what got me into watching a these videos. It also has the best burn. "But that's not happening now is it?" Always rings in my head when these guys assert their own merit.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:23
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aware of dog posted:The game he's referring to isn't made by Notch, it's called The Last Night and it's made by a big gamergater. He described the game as being about a future where "progressivism has spiraled out of control."
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Gorn Myson posted:This sounds like it could be really funny in all the wrong ways though. Right now I'm just picturing a story about a guy trying to overthrow a government so he can say the n-word without judgement. The epilogue is him sexually harassing his love interest in an elevator. Speaking of which, I'm a bit surprised no ones made a game of Harrison Bergeron yet, it seems like a perfect fit for how these people see themselves.
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aware of dog posted:Speaking of which, I'm a bit surprised no ones made a game of Harrison Bergeron yet, it seems like a perfect fit for how these people see themselves. It's called Bioshock.
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Crain posted:I legit want to see someone do a deep dive into the development of the "alt-right". Kill All Normies by Angela Nagle is a pretty good history/overview of the alt-right's various sections from America's Leading Mindset Expert, gamergate, and the pepes. Doesn't go as far back as all of the reddit controversies of FPH tho. Granted it's probably the only academic overview of this whole thing, everything else is internet oral history.
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WampaLord posted:It's called Bioshock. I though Bioshock was just a dev making GBS threads on Ayn Rand for 20 hours?
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rkajdi posted:I though Bioshock was just a dev making GBS threads on Ayn Rand for 20 hours? Sure but unsurprisingly many nerds took away the idea that the Rand stand in had awesome ideas.
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Pretty much. Then it turned into Ken Levine going "socialism is just as bad as libertarianism" followed by "what if minorities are the real racists"
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:I really like Shaun's fate of the frogmen video for trying to track the origin of the shithead movement. It's what got me into watching a these videos. Recently I've fallen in love with hbomb's "Are you starting to feel the darkness closing in as it turns out your ideas make no loving difference and the world isn't changing around you?" It's the best summary of why these assholes always declare their victory. Of course, I still feel bad for the smaller individuals caught in the crossfire. There was never any "culture war" because these reactionaries never had any real power to change anything. But there were still plenty of feminists and other decent human beings chased off YouTube and other places. I just re-watched one of Milo Stewart's video (this one) where he talks about the fact he doesn't know anyone who has ever been in his position before.Hundreds, even thousands of people dogging you every step of the way to tell you how worthless you are. Because these are the same people who will gladly say transgenderism is a mental illness than berate a transgender teenager. So that poo poo makes me sad. There is no war but there is plenty of suffering inflicted.
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Zikan posted:Kill All Normies by Angela Nagle is a pretty good history/overview of the alt-right's various sections from America's Leading Mindset Expert, gamergate, and the pepes. Doesn't go as far back as all of the reddit controversies of FPH tho. Her dissertation is about mras on Reddit, supposedly. And she was working on it right as gamergate was starting, so if she goes the route of turning that into a book then you'd have a deeper dive into the early/earlier days.
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Zikan posted:Pretty much. God I really hate the Vox plot in Infinite. 
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the culture war is just an internet turf war. if you step away from the internet for a bit none of this poo poo is real or matters - the base issues like institutional misogyny sure are, but like 96% of americans dont give a poo poo at all about SJWs ruining video games or whatever gamergate is furious about. like the epic memelord who was booted out of the alt right rally for being obnoxious, these are people who spend so much time online that the lines between that and offline reality are very blurry. i blame smartphones for enabling internet addicts to have a source of addict supply constantly
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rkajdi posted:Or maybe understand that these guys would have been low value regardless of economic conditions. They have nothing to look forward to because they were middle/lower middle class failsons and squandered the largess they were given to begin with. I'd prefer just to see them fall down the economic ladder to permanent destitution, but like all the rest of the failsons out there they have families with money to parasite off of. notch may be rich but he's still a bald chubbo, which is the source of many a channer's woes and bitterness.
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You can be a bald chubbo and still have friends if you're not a knobhead.
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boner confessor posted:the culture war is just an internet turf war. if you step away from the internet for a bit none of this poo poo is real or matters - the base issues like institutional misogyny sure are, but like 96% of americans dont give a poo poo at all about SJWs ruining video games or whatever gamergate is furious about. like the epic memelord who was booted out of the alt right rally for being obnoxious, these are people who spend so much time online that the lines between that and offline reality are very blurry. i blame smartphones for enabling internet addicts to have a source of addict supply constantly Agreed. Posted from my iPhone.
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probably the biggest thing that eats at notch is that he got insanely lucky with minecraft, which was just a clone of infiniminer by zachtronic. except that zach is a sollid game designer with a number of successful games under his belt, notch really just hit the jackpot with minecraft's massive success despite being kind of a bad game (no internal documentation, obscure mechanics, still no native mod support?) but it was hugely popular with children, which is like the holy grail of game publishing for the merch factor. but notch will never be able to replicate that success again. even if he actually gets another game off the ground and it succeeds it won't be even a tiny fraction as successful as minecraft was. it's almost like winning a lottery ticket except instead of just throwing down a few dollars you spent a good few years working on the thing. so his career as a game dev is basically over unless he can reinvent himself as some kind of consultant or dev guru which, uh, picking fights with women on twitter is not a good path fowards there. he could also just gently caress around and release weird games with no pressure for them to be any good but he hasn't released anything since
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Crain posted:I legit want to see someone do a deep dive into the development of the "alt-right". It's your lucky day: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/1785355430/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_dp_T2_CaSpzbABTG5YN quote:Recent years have seen a revival of the heated culture wars of the 1990s, but this time its battle ground is the internet. On one side the alt right ranges from the once obscure neo-reactionary and white separatist movements, to geeky subcultures like 4chan, to more mainstream manifestations such as the Trump-supporting gay libertarian Milo Yiannopolous. On the other side, a culture of struggle sessions and virtue signalling lurks behind a therapeutic language of trigger warnings and safe spaces. The feminist side of the online culture wars has its equally geeky subcultures right through to its mainstream expression. Kill All Normies explores some of the cultural genealogies and past parallels of these styles and subcultures, drawing from transgressive styles of 60s libertinism and conservative movements, to make the case for a rejection of the perpetual cultural turn.
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OwlFancier posted:You can be a bald chubbo and still have friends if you're not a knobhead. Yeah, but some people aren't as sad and bitter about being a bald chubbo, I guess.
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The problem with BioShock is it just kind of depicts things and thinks it's commenting on them. This is the worst in infinate (like everything). There isn't any message about perpetuling the cycle of violence how vengence isn't justice. It's just the black panthers are bad too. There isn't any real commentary on religion or race either than Comstock is a monster
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Zikan posted:Kill All Normies by Angela Nagle is a pretty good history/overview of the alt-right's various sections from America's Leading Mindset Expert, gamergate, and the pepes. Doesn't go as far back as all of the reddit controversies of FPH tho. That's kind of the problem with doing a academic dive into chan culture. A lot of channers can just say any piece of information is true because that person is a troll. Plus so much of it is also just boring ten year old internet drama that not even the parties involved care about. What was FPH about?
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BigRed0427 posted:That's kind of the problem with doing a academic dive into chan culture. A lot of channers can just say any piece of information is true because that person is a troll. Plus so much of it is also just boring ten year old internet drama that not even the parties involved care about. r/fatpeoplehate, just redditors posting pictures of fat people and mocking them endlessly. there was a particular focus on heavy women, extra so if she had dyed hair or other things that young people do, so it wasn't just about weight shaming but also weird misogyny and was a stealth platform for whining about SJWs a lot of other redditors found this subreddit distasteful and i believe at some point it was banned for violating harassment policies? at which point tons of people melted down about freeze peach like a for profit company needs to enable people to post pictures of people without their consent and mock them repetitively
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boner confessor posted:r/fatpeoplehate, just redditors posting pictures of fat people and mocking them endlessly. there was a particular focus on heavy women, extra so if she had dyed hair or other things that young people do, so it wasn't just about weight shaming but also weird misogyny and was a stealth platform for whining about SJWs Don't forget about how redditors blamed the ban on one of its female executives when really she was one of the only ones opposed to the ban
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In his latest video Sargon reveals that he basis his entire view of modern economies on.... The Wealth of Nations, which he finished reading a few weeks ago. Now as far as economic literature goes that is not the worst choice. Adam Smith had some quite loony beliefs but the Wealth of Nations is still very relevant when it comes to understanding the role of bond markets, inequality and taxation in statehood. However, to base your entire take on this is whoooooooosh... Widely inadequate to put it lightly. To then try to apply this limited understanding to the potential repercussions of a hard Brexit is complete lunacy.boner confessor posted:r/fatpeoplehate, just redditors posting pictures of fat people and mocking them endlessly. there was a particular focus on heavy women, extra so if she had dyed hair or other things that young people do, so it wasn't just about weight shaming but also weird misogyny and was a stealth platform for whining about SJWs Didn't GBS use to do this too?
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rkajdi posted:Dan Olsen is really good. He really got the ire of gaters and channers when he did some investigative work and found that 8chan was linking to kiddie pron. Who would ever guess that these basement dweller weebs would be into little kids? It's not they watch movies and read manga full of sexualized children or anything. The great thing about the 8chan child porn thing is that their primary ways of responding were: 1) We love unmoderated free speech! But also illegal stuff that gets reported is removed swiftly, so the rampant kiddie porn is not a problem. Also, many of the sexualized children aren't naked or being touched, therefore it's not even illegal. 2) Wow, Dan, look at child porn much? You sick freak! The monstrous #1 got kind of overshadowed by the hilariously idiotic and somehow more worthy of controversy #2. So the whole exposé turned into "man investigates terrible thing, is accused of being able to find terrible thing." Instead of, you know, how bastions of "unlimited free speech" on the internet are really just festering sores of full of reactionaries who drive everyone else away plus a bunch of actual illegal activity.
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MiddleOne posted:Didn't GBS use to do this too? pretty sure it still does MiddleOne posted:In his latest video Sargon reveals that he basis his entire view of modern economies on.... The Wealth of Nations like how people confuse verbosity and a massive wall of words for a well reasoned argument, fetishizing old things because they're old and well known is just dumb. it's funny how these guys piss on the bible but then refer to three century old economic texts which are largely outdated MiddleOne posted:which he finished reading a few weeks ago. lmao boner confessor fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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rkajdi posted:Also, how could this guy think there's a big market for regressive stuff in indie gaming? I could see maybe if you had a game in the Oh Ra Bro Shooter genre, but indies have historically been a place that sells games about minority character and less right politics. And it's a smaller audience, so losing a chunk of your possible buyers over such an unforced error seems to be the kind of thing you just can't afford. Haven't you heard? 
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