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Eela6 posted:I like all of these changes. 
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Shadow225 posted:Players aren't playing the Invocation lottery; they are playing the Force of Will lottery.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:10
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The changes really are good after looking at it a few times. Its true, everyone is a lot more hyped about a large set than they are about a small set. Will that continue now every set is a large set? Hard to say. The core set coming back is going to be extremely healthy for organized play. It does however eat into the design space of modern masters though as far as set construction goes. Gustav posted:Glad to see core sets are coming back. I always enjoyed drafting core sets, never understood the hate. Core sets weren't opened as well as the regular sets were towards the end of cycle. It was partly because the sets weren't put together very well and also because core sets are hard to make exciting every year. I am sure it was hard to justify making less $$ on a set that is crucial to balancing your organized play when designers got it in their head that they could do it with regular sets. I am glad it failed. Core sets being gone and modern masters has proven without a doubt how important reprints are to a healthy mtg game.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:11
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little munchkin posted:Gonna be great for limited, I don't think a format has ever been improved by adding an additional set. Eldritch Moon was better than SOI but it was in spite of the SOI pack, not because of it. Eldritch Moon as its own large set would have been even better.
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Shadow225 posted:I feel like part of the point of the Masterpieces were missed. The reason the Amonket Invocations failed was because they were A. Ugly as Sin and B. Largely not valuable. Players aren't playing the Invocation lottery; they are playing the Force of Will lottery. They are kind of forced to make some of the masterpieces garbage if they keep printing them every set Anyways the new core sets sound like Magic Origins type of deals, which is pretty rad
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Jun 12, 2017 16:12
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Shadow225 posted:I feel like part of the point of the Masterpieces were missed. The reason the Amonket Invocations failed was because they were A. Ugly as Sin and B. Largely not valuable. Players aren't playing the Invocation lottery; they are playing the Force of Will lottery. And the reason they weren't valuable is because there's a very small subset of old cards that could be used as Masterpieces for this set, so they had to scrounge the bottom of the barrel looking for anything vaguely related to gods or sphinxes or... I dunno, camels. Better to just skip it and use Masterpieces in the sets where it makes sense.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:14
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dragon enthusiast posted:They are kind of forced to make some of the masterpieces garbage if they keep printing them every set I don't agree with that exactly. I think they printed 25 invocations right? Could have probably printed 10 or less and it would have been more exciting. Trimming out the standard lottery versions would be a big help.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:14
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evilweasel posted:i feel like they don't quite grasp that the invocations were terrible because the cards looked like garbage I actually don't like the expeditions, I think a lot of them look like this dark thing in the middle of the card. I do like inventions and think lotus petal is very pretty
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Jun 12, 2017 16:15
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Sickening posted:I don't agree with that exactly. I think they printed 25 invocations right? Could have probably printed 10 or less and it would have been more exciting. Trimming out the standard lottery versions would be a big help. there's 30 in Amonkhet and 24 more in Hour of Devastation. It's just too many.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:16
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Elyv posted:I actually don't like the expeditions, I think a lot of them look like this dark thing in the middle of the card. I do like inventions and think lotus petal is very pretty The design around inventions was the best of them all. These cards are the loving pinnacle of magic card design.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:17
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mcmagic posted:Temur Energy. The deck is straight gas. I think it's T1 even with Marvel in the format. What made you change your mind?
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Jun 12, 2017 16:18
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Oh yeah now we can get more outsider-designed cards like in M15 hell yeah
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Jun 12, 2017 16:19
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DangerDongs posted:What made you change your mind? I got smashed by in the top 8 of a PPTQ 2 weeks ago then played the deck the last 2 weekends with very good results. It's very strong and a billion times more fun to play than Marvel.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:20
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evilweasel posted:i feel like they don't quite grasp that the invocations were terrible because the cards looked like garbage I'll straight up trade one of my play sets for the new invocation even if the art itself is garbage. The template is great - the problem is they didn't go full on ancient Mew papyrus on it.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:21
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Elyv posted:we're going to end up with some very large standards if there are no small sets moving forward Considering that the biggest standard ever was also one of the best (cold snap, 3 tsp block sets, 4 lor block sets, core set), I am totally okay with this.
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Sickening posted:The core set coming back is going to be extremely healthy for organized play. It does however eat into the design space of modern masters though as far as set construction goes.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:21
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Gustav posted:And the reason they weren't valuable is because there's a very small subset of old cards that could be used as Masterpieces for this set, so they had to scrounge the bottom of the barrel looking for anything vaguely related to gods or sphinxes or... I dunno, camels. Better to just skip it and use Masterpieces in the sets where it makes sense. This is the reason I think the decision not to continue Masterpieces in every set was made before the outcry over how ugly the Amonkhet ones were. There just aren't enough cards they can print that people care about. I saw it all the time where people who opened up a bad Masterpiece looked more disappointed than if their pack contained just a foil common.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:24
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Elyv posted:I actually don't like the expeditions, I think a lot of them look like this dark thing in the middle of the card. I do like inventions and think lotus petal is very pretty I love how pretty the Sol Ring one is. I should also get a Cloudstone Curio one, as it looks amazing too.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:32
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OgreNoah posted:I love how pretty the Sol Ring one is. I should also get a Cloudstone Curio one, as it looks amazing too. I need a Cloudstone Curio for my Animar deck, so people know how hosed they are.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:33
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When even Maro admits "standard has had a rough year", you know they're panicking.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:36
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Count Bleck posted:I need a Cloudstone Curio for my Animar deck, so people know how hosed they are. That's exactly what I use it for. I only break out the Animar deck when people insist on playing combo decks over and over. "Yeah, this is how the rest of us feel when you pull that nonsense every game."
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Jun 12, 2017 16:41
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They also front loaded the Kaladesh Inventions in the big set and the small set got feels really shallow despite having plenty of power cards. Would you rather open a Sol Ring or a Defense Grid?
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Jun 12, 2017 16:42
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I'm generally a-ok with these changes. Curious what's next for today? "There's a lot of cool stuff coming your way (a bunch of which you'll hear about later today)"
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Jun 12, 2017 16:44
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Star Man posted:They also front loaded the Kaladesh Inventions in the big set and the small set got feels really shallow despite having plenty of power cards. Would you rather open a Sol Ring or a Defense Grid? both cards are vintage playable so they're basically the same, right
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Jun 12, 2017 16:46
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Soul Glo posted:This could be cool. Good for Standard, anyway. mcmagic posted:Changes seem fine. Though the core sets were never all that exciting to me... Eela6 posted:I like all of these changes. Gustav posted:Glad to see core sets are coming back. I always enjoyed drafting core sets, never understood the hate. C-Euro posted:Everything he said about (past) core sets in that article is stuff that I agree with. Not sure what the new ones will look like but I'm willing to try them out especially if they're going to be easier to draft (I am bad at draft) Ugh, all magic players do is complain!!! Walked posted:I'm generally a-ok with these changes. Hour of Devastation spoilers? Or is it still too early?
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Jun 12, 2017 16:58
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i have never actually seen this thread have a consensus opinion but it's actually nice to see we're all on the same page about the change well, until a post comes along shattering this illusion
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Jun 12, 2017 17:02
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Seem like good changes to me. I probably want core sets to be more interesting than they will actually be, but it seems like the best way to help fix issues with Standard when reprints in the new "blocks" aren't workable. Also like fewer limitations on set mechanics carrying over. I like invocations OK but agree that their current pace/strategy wasn't sustainable.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:04
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I think we also have a concensus to punch Andrew Jessup's face until it's reduced to atoms.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:05
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For once the changes are "we looked at things that people like and decided to do those things more often while doing the things people don't like less often".Star Man posted:I think we also have a concensus to punch Andrew Jessup's face until it's reduced to atoms. I just googled him and he does have a very punchable face. What's the deal with him?
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Jun 12, 2017 17:08
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i just want someone to punch him a chin
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Jun 12, 2017 17:08
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Star Man posted:I think we also have a concensus to punch Andrew Jessup's face until it's reduced to atoms. Punch his brother first. He's: 1) A gigantic rear end in a top hat (Andrew is actually relatively friendly) 2) Bad at Magic 3) Has an equally punchable face.
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ThePeavstenator posted:For once the changes are "we looked at things that people like and decided to do those things more often while doing the things people don't like less often". he's just an SCG grinder as far as I know, tbh i'm not sure where all the hate comes from
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Jun 12, 2017 17:10
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hot take: people shouldn't be beaten up for their appearance
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Elyv posted:hot take: people shouldn't be beaten up for their appearance Things we pretend to believe, but never actually live by.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:14
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Them bringing back core sets is a good thing, now we can have reprints of cards that we really want. Like Crucible of Worlds.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:15
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Bring back exalted for a set so we can have cheap Noble Hierarchs again.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:18
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Andrew Jessup is fine and actually a very good magic player.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:18
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Elyv posted:hot take: people shouldn't be beaten up for their appearance it's actually really normal and healthy for grown adults to fantasize about assaulting people for the crime of being slightly more out-of-shape than they are
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Star Man posted:Bring back exalted for a set so we can have cheap Noble Hierarchs again. Prediction: Will be an "Expedition" equivalent in Return to Alara.
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Bonus posted:Not to mention that if you wanted to draft a small set with your friends, you had to get your hands on 6-8 boosters of the large set. You couldn't just buy a box and draft it like you could with a large set. That isn't relevant for 99% of players who have no friends
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