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DaveWoo posted:Creeping fascism update: gently caress, I was literally about to quote that. Trump supporters really are figurative Nazis. It's shocking how awful and low they're willing to go in the name of people who want to harass anyone with skin darker than a paper bag. Edit: Goddamnit I'm phone posting. Use your imagination and pretend there is a good dog here.
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Mick Mulvaney is an idiot https://twitter.com/nick_bunker/status/874363647858024448 Alter Ego posted:Ironically, this works out better for Trump because it keeps Comey's testimony in the "he said/he said" category. some are saying that it could be viewed as intimidation of a witness. I don't know anything about how that works so take it with a load of salt.
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Just want to point out that Walker here is proud to make his own sandwich this time, rather than having someone else do it for him. I don't tweet that I'm "doing it myself" whenever I'm doing someone anyone can do.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/874364202957369344 What? Did the Secret Service perform this function for Nixon or something? Why would the SS be in charge of recording or transcribing oval office conversations?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:
We can stop trying to come up with little crimes that Trump has committed. There is already enough to impeach him.
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Night10194 posted:Again: That's actually way more 'inappropriate' than I'd expect from the modern GOP. Behold: the mythical GOP voter who disapproved of trump but voted for him anyway.
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Chilichimp posted:What? Did the Secret Service perform this function for Nixon or something? Why would the SS be in charge of recording or transcribing oval office conversations? reading the article helps quote:The agency’s response to a freedom of information request submitted by The Wall Street Journal doesn’t exclude the possibility that recordings could have been created by another entity. quote:The Secret Service handled recording systems within the White House for past presidents, including Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy.
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my bony fealty posted:Which led to massive GOP gains in the House and Senate; if we get a mirror of 2010 in 2018 then maybe things will be ok! Assuming the GOP doesn't scare off every potential Dem candidate via death threats.
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Ringo Star Get posted:I don't tweet that I'm "doing it myself" whenever I'm doing someone anyone can do. Everyone's had a ride!
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Chilichimp posted:What? Did the Secret Service perform this function for Nixon or something? Why would the SS be in charge of recording or transcribing oval office conversations? Yes. Part of the Secret Service's job is making sure that there are no hidden electronic devices around the president that they don't know about, so it's pretty hard to install listening devices in the White House without their knowledge. I mean, he could still have had a tape recorder in his pocket; the Trumpiest of moves.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Yes. Part of the Secret Service's job is making sure that there are no hidden electronic devices around the president that they don't know about, so it's pretty hard to install listening devices in the White House without their knowledge. What about an electoral college victory map provided by the russians, or his unsecured cell phone?
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So the new question is: does Trump have the balls to criticize the Secret Service for following the law? You know he was really enjoying the 'will I or won't I' routine.
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LaserShark posted:So the new question is: does Trump have the balls to criticize the Secret Service for following the law? You know he was really enjoying the 'will I or won't I' routine. Not exactly. All this is saying is that the SS doesn't have any tapes. Trump could have tapes of his own, or another party could have tapes.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Yes. Part of the Secret Service's job is making sure that there are no hidden electronic devices around the president that they don't know about, so it's pretty hard to install listening devices in the White House without their knowledge. The article also pointed out that the SS handled recording in the WH for Nixon and Kennedy.
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Quorum posted:Behold: the mythical GOP voter who disapproved of trump but voted for him anyway. Ah, the McCaininites.
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DaveWoo posted:Creeping fascism update: This is actually a way better result than I would have guessed so whatever.
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Do you remember when Joplin got hit hard by tornados during Obama? Remember him touring Joplin and giving a heartfelt speech at the memorial. Now, picture Trump in a similar situation.
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Oracle posted:Assuming the GOP doesn't scare off every potential Dem candidate via death threats. Yea, we're only going to see a rise of intimidation and threats to try and scare off any opposition to the current administration. And while that happens I will be screaming into a pillow while "Truth is always in the middle" guys keep acting like death threats aren't real until they change their mind to "Death threats don't mean anything"
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Not exactly. All this is saying is that the SS doesn't have any tapes. Trump could have tapes of his own, or another party could have tapes. quote:The agency’s response to a freedom of information request submitted by The Wall Street Journal doesn’t exclude the possibility that recordings could have been created by another entity. 
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Mickey Mental posted:Do you remember when Joplin got hit hard by tornados during Obama? "Live from Mar-A-Lago..."
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my bony fealty posted:Which led to massive GOP gains in the House and Senate; if we get a mirror of 2010 in 2018 then maybe things will be ok! And it'll only cost us... what? Millions of uninsured Americans? Remember that the earliest it is possible for Democrats to act on policy is 2020, because a veto-proof majority is impossible in 2018 (and any Senate majority at all is unlikely). We're a minimum of three and a half years from undoing whatever damage Republicans can do, and that's in literally the best imaginable timeline.
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I think a major reason we can't think of any catastrophes under Obama was that his administration was really loving good at preventing bad situations from turning into catastrophes.
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Mickey Mental posted:Do you remember when Joplin got hit hard by tornados during Obama? He would probably have a rally there and talk about how great it was so many people came to see him. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Not exactly. All this is saying is that the SS doesn't have any tapes. Trump could have tapes of his own, or another party could have tapes. He recorded everything with an app on his personal cell phone.
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The gulf oil spill was a big catastrophe during the early part of the Obama admin.
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Mickey Mental posted:Do you remember when Joplin got hit hard by tornados during Obama? "Here in Joplin, we have the biggest tornadoes. The biggest! And I promise you, next time, our tornadoes will be even bigger! Let's make America great again!"
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PerniciousKnid posted:He would probably have a rally there and talk about how great it was so many people came to see him. I wouldn't doubt this for a second. I sure do hope this is also his "unsecured" personal phone.
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Night10194 posted:I think a major reason we can't think of any catastrophes under Obama was that his administration was really loving good at preventing bad situations from turning into catastrophes. It's always the moral imperative for those with authority to practice deescalation, which Obama was fantastic at. Unfortunately there's a large base of Americans out there who viewed him as being weak for that practice. My prediction is that when something major inevitably happens on Trump's watch, he'll react with a hyper-aggression that will only make things more dire.
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Chilichimp posted:The ACA was also widely unpopular at the time of it's passage and for years after the fact. Well yeah, but the political careers for a lot of Democrats came to an end because of the ACA vote. It can be worth it if you are achieving a substantial policy goal that your party has fought for generations, but the GOP appears to be throwing away their house majority for nothing.
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Fart City posted:It's always the moral imperative for those with authority to practice deescalation, which Obama was fantastic at. Unfortunately there's a large base of Americans out there who viewed him as being weak for that practice. My prediction is that when something major inevitably happens on Trump's watch, he'll react with a hyper-aggression that will only make things more dire. Isn't this happening right now re: Qatar?
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Night10194 posted:I think a major reason we can't think of any catastrophes under Obama was that his administration was really loving good at preventing bad situations from turning into catastrophes. Another part being that most of the bad situations or catastrophes WEREN'T CAUSED BY THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF.
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Mickey Mental posted:Do you remember when Joplin got hit hard by tornados during Obama?
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Rigel posted:Well yeah, but the political careers for a lot of Democrats came to an end because of the ACA vote. It can be worth it if you are achieving a substantial policy goal that your party has fought for generations, but the GOP appears to be throwing away their house majority for nothing. Nothing? *NOTHING*? This will kill THOUSANDS, possibly MILLIONS of poors! The greatest achievement possible in modern conservativism and you call it nothing?
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Tarezax posted:Isn't this happening right now re: Qatar? I think it's less Trump being aggressive than the Saudis were really nice to him and he's a moron with a gutted State Department so no one told him going after Qatar was a bad idea because they're an ally and have a major USAF base + CENTCOM. Don't forget the Trump doctrine: he will also do the most stupid and petty thing for the stupidest, pettiest reasons.
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Rigel posted:Well yeah, but the political careers for a lot of Democrats came to an end because of the ACA vote. It can be worth it if you are achieving a substantial policy goal that your party has fought for generations, but the GOP appears to be throwing away their house majority for nothing. Their House majority is probably gone thanks to Trump anyway.
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When considering actions of the Trump administration, the most likely explanation is stupidity and petty grudges.
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