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Drone posted:So did congressional Republicans get high on their own supply to the degree that they do today? I can't help but shake the feeling that Trump could just play out the entire Watergate scandal step-for-step and walk away from it completely fine. Things were probably way different in Nixon's day, and I have the feeling today's GOP has drank their own kool-aid to an extent that was unimaginable forty years ago. That's absolutely the case. Forty years ago, the parties were much more cross-pollinated: you had liberal Republicans (like Nelson Rockefeller, who was Ford's VP) and very conservative Democrats, so the parties were harder to get fully in line with anything. In addition, news was much more homogenous - everyone watched one more of three networks for news, and stewing in your own media bubble was both harder to do *and* marked you more as a weirdo. Nowadays, the parties are much more unified in purpose, and it's much easier to wrap yourself in a media cocoon and never hear an opinion that challenges you or makes you question your party's leadership.
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Mustached Demon posted:Continuing on with my example of type 1: the insulin alone runs 400-500/mo. That's a loving car payment on an Acura or Lexus or something. For just the insulin so they can actually derive energy from food. That's largely because Novo Nordisk and Eli Lily are in a war for market share, but are using barely-disguised kickbacks instead of lower prices to get the upper hand on each other. The scheme to make the kickbacks legal just happens to involve skyrocketing retail prices, but that's just a side effect to them because (now that everyone has insurance) the customers they are competing over are pharmacy benefit managers not the actual users of Novolog/Humalog. Maybe we are approaching this from the wrong angle. Lots of people will die earlier than they would have otherwise, but we already know the GOP doesn't give a gently caress about that. Lots of businesses are making bank off the idea of everyone having access to insurance that must cover certain things with no preexisting condition exceptions, like the entire industry in Florida based around scamming northern insurance coverage for drug rehab. As a non-ghoul I see them as good evidence of the need for nationwide single payer, but maybe we can use the GOP's love for sleazy business practices to get them to do the right thing for the wrong reasons?
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I can't believe Trump would be stupid enough to try to fire a special prosecutor. His lawyer has to be printing out the wiki article on the Saturday Night Massacre, rolling it up, and smacking him with it to get the point across, no?
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Kammat posted:I can't believe Trump would be stupid enough to try to fire a special prosecutor. His lawyer has to be printing out the wiki article on the Saturday Night Massacre, rolling it up, and smacking him with it to get the point across, no? That would just make him want to do it more. Trump isn't a contrarian, not really, he just will make up any reason internally to do what he wants once he makes up his mind. He seems like a contrarian because he usually makes bad decisions people advise him against, but he made those bad decisions before they advised him. It's exactly how a toddlers mind works.
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Yes, Trump's attorneys are well known for their candor.Al Borland Corp. posted:It's exactly how a toddlers mind works. GOVERNMENT IN CRISIS AS TERRORISTS SEIZE PRESIDENT'S NOSE Chef Boyardeez Nuts fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Kammat posted:I can't believe Trump would be stupid enough to try to fire a special prosecutor. His lawyer has to be printing out the wiki article on the Saturday Night Massacre, rolling it up, and smacking him with it to get the point across, no? This justy made me wonder if staffers have ever used articles from Simple Wikipedia to explain things to Trump
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Kammat posted:I can't believe Trump would be stupid enough to try to fire a special prosecutor. His lawyer has to be printing out the wiki article on the Saturday Night Massacre, rolling it up, and smacking him with it to get the point across, no? Always possible that he's getting to be enough of a liability to the people around him that he is getting bad advice with the object of getting him out cleanly and quickly, rather than have something inevitable drag on (and, for that matter, potentially implicate a lot more people).
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skeleton warrior posted:That's absolutely the case. Forty years ago, the parties were much more cross-pollinated: you had liberal Republicans (like Nelson Rockefeller, who was Ford's VP) and very conservative Democrats, so the parties were harder to get fully in line with anything. In addition, news was much more homogenous - everyone watched one more of three networks for news, and stewing in your own media bubble was both harder to do *and* marked you more as a weirdo. The whole concept used to be that both parties had liberal and conservative wings, and thus to get nominated you had to be a moderate, which was considered ideal because the country was considered moderate. The irony is that this all started under Nixon and now we are sitting here looking at Nixon 2.0.
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I realize this is an optimistic outlook, but I'm betting Trump doesn't fire Mueller for the same reason he didn't try to stop Comey testifying--he is, at heart, a coward.
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Kammat posted:I can't believe Trump would be stupid enough Doesn't matter what you put after this statement, you should absolutely believe it.
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Holy poo poo, I heard the audio last night, but watching the cabinet meeting this morning is something abhorrent. It's actually kind of revolting.
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Alter Ego posted:I realize this is an optimistic outlook, but I'm betting Trump doesn't fire Mueller for the same reason he didn't try to stop Comey testifying--he is, at heart, a coward. Yeah it would hardly be the first time he has floated a dumb idea and backed down on it.
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botany posted:how long until sessions testimony? thank u I believe it's at 2:30 pm est
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botany posted:how long until sessions testimony? thank u 2:30 EDT I believe
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It's kind of nuts to realize that Fox News might literally be a significant contributing factor to the downfall of American Democracy.
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Sessions testimony today is going to be such a waste of time. He is going out there to prove to Trump that he still has value, and the GOP Senators will be only too happy to enable him.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah it would hardly be the first time he has floated a dumb idea and backed down on it. I swear we've heard a lot worse, but nothing's coming to mind right now. Stuff that was being floated by the administration, then they backed away from.
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Only had time to read the headline and a few tweets from Olberman, but this seems big/worrying: Bloomberg: 39 state's voting registry databases hacked by Russia
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Jun 13, 2017 13:06
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Captain Invictus posted:It's kind of nuts to realize that Fox News might literally be a significant contributing factor to the downfall of American Democracy. Why is it nuts that a propaganda machine that has been running at full steam for decades would eventually see some success?
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Captain Invictus posted:It's kind of nuts to realize that Fox News might literally be a significant contributing factor to the downfall of American Democracy. Why's that? Ever heard of Der Stürmer?
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Captain Invictus posted:It's kind of nuts to realize that Fox News might literally be a significant contributing factor to the downfall of American Democracy. true before trump
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Anora posted:Only had time to read the headline and a few tweets from Olberman, but this seems big/worrying: more and more of this needs to be the bludgeon used against gop members trying to downplay the importance of the investigation notes useless motherfucker rand paul was out in the wild calling the investigation sour grapes just yesterday
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There Bias Two posted:Why is it nuts that a propaganda machine that has been running at full steam for decades would eventually see some success? Drone posted:Why's that? Ever heard of Der Stürmer?
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aware of dog posted:I believe it's at 2:30 pm est that's... six hours-ish from now? gently caress, probably won't be able to watch then 
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Captain Invictus posted:More that it's been allowed to peddle its propaganda for so long without much stopping it. Under what mechanism could it reasonably be stopped? That is the risk of free speech.
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There Bias Two posted:Under what mechanism could it reasonably be stopped? That is the risk of free speech.
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Captain Invictus posted:That's the problem, isn't it. Hard to say. I'd rather take that risk than have media censorship in place.
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Orange Devil posted:Why are you pro capitalism if it is incapable of keeping people alive? I'm obviously not in the medical field, and think capitalism has proven to be compatible with socialized medicine in a way that humans haven't proven to be compatible with full communism.
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Shifty Pony posted:That's largely because Novo Nordisk and Eli Lily are in a war for market share, but are using barely-disguised kickbacks instead of lower prices to get the upper hand on each other. The scheme to make the kickbacks legal just happens to involve skyrocketing retail prices, but that's just a side effect to them because (now that everyone has insurance) the customers they are competing over are pharmacy benefit managers not the actual users of Novolog/Humalog. Insulins a bit more complicated due to how its drug classification prohibits generics. Plus the drive towards increasing value per dose either through more potent doses or driving down costs. Having one almighty provider saying "gently caress you I'm paying this much" along with NIH helping with research might help. Reading about it sort of makes insulin itself a tougher example, imo.
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Captain Invictus posted:That's the problem, isn't it. I mean, it really could be argued that the entire environment isn't Fox News' fault, but CNN's. CNN was the first 24/7 news network and is directly responsible for the commodification and commercialization of the news. Fox just took the formula that CNN created and perfected it into a partisan machine.
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Honestly I really hope our election was hacked. Then we at least have a loving excuse and can maybe save face in the international community later. "Sorry about Trump, we didn't loving elect him. Our sincere apologies we were even in a position to be hacked, please accept a return to normalcy"
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Drone posted:I mean, it really could be argued that the entire environment isn't Fox News' fault, but CNN's. CNN was the first 24/7 news network and is directly responsible for the commodification and commercialization of the news. Fox just took the formula that CNN created and perfected it into a partisan machine. ya just likes it's not trumps fault he doesn't pay taxes, just smart people taking advantage of the system bing bong
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Honestly I really hope our election was hacked. Then we at least have a loving excuse and can maybe save face in the international community later. "Sorry about Trump, we didn't loving elect him. Our sincere apologies we were even in a position to be hacked, please accept a return to normalcy"
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If you are in Virginia please remember to vote (for Tom Perriello) today.
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Drone posted:I mean, it really could be argued that the entire environment isn't Fox News' fault, but CNN's. CNN was the first 24/7 news network and is directly responsible for the commodification and commercialization of the news. Fox just took the formula that CNN created and perfected it into a partisan machine. Eh...If you really want to assign ultimate fault you have to look to fiscal conservatives leveraging the Southern Strategy to ply southern voters...which then spread to suburbanites all over the country. That was the priming of the pump. Then you have us entering into a post-industrial era where blue collar jobs are drying up or just not paying as well, leaving large swaths of the in-group in financial panic. Then you had the advent of the internet and the somewhat decentralization of media...Finally, you have the supreme court and the decision of Citizens United. This allowed dark money to leverage the previous situation to the eyeballs to attain its goals. And here we are. CNN as a concept...24 hour news...is just an aspect of it, not the driver or the cause.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Honestly I really hope our election was hacked. Then we at least have a loving excuse and can maybe save face in the international community later. "Sorry about Trump, we didn't loving elect him. Our sincere apologies we were even in a position to be hacked, please accept a return to normalcy" you didn't anyway, you voted for clinton by like 3 million.
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skylined! posted:more and more of this needs to be the bludgeon used against gop members trying to downplay the importance of the investigation With plenty of cover from the left too 
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quote:U.S. Rep. Mike Quigley introduced the Communications Over Various Feeds Electronically for Engagement or COVFEFE act Monday. It would amend the Presidential Records Act to include the term social media. I love this guy
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botany posted:you didn't anyway, you voted for clinton by like 3 million. She should have won by twenty in any sane country. Should have been Reagan Mondale levels. That it wasn't is a national shame.
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