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Materant
Jul 22, 2010

see, what you don't understand is he now has

THE MANLIEST MUSTACHE

it defies physics


No Butt Stuff posted:

I went back and re-read the post and I don't understand who, if anyone, co-signed loans.

Are they Parents PLUS loans or something? If they are, would she have co-signed?

quote:

My parents divorced when I was in high school. Their divorce agreement states that my dad would pay 60% of my college education and my mom would pay 40%. When I finished college, my dad said he would only pay for the loans he co-signed for (50%).

From the very top line of the story, bolded for emphasis.

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No Butt Stuff
Jun 10, 2004

Right but all her language suggests that's not the case.

Must be nice to have your parents pay for any of your school.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
That $800 gaming PC person is adorable. Going to community college, just wants to play Overwatch with their little sister, and apparently is being raised by their grandma. That's a GoFundMe I'd toss $10 into.

Materant posted:

From the very top line of the story, bolded for emphasis.

So she went to court because he was only willing to pay 50% instead of 60%?

Granted, he wasn't paying the 50% very well, but she literally took her father to court over the prospect of paying 10% of her education.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Krispy Kareem posted:

That $800 gaming PC person is adorable. Going to community college, just wants to play Overwatch with their little sister, and apparently is being raised by their grandma. That's a GoFundMe I'd toss $10 into.

:3: It's hard to really be mad at that guy. He's 18, 18-year-olds buy dumb toys with the money from their first jobs. I bought a gameboy with mine and let me tell you, it made me a lot happier than whatever the interest on that hundred bucks would be now.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time
The gaming pc girl is making childish financial decisions because she is a child still. Sad she feels obligated to buy stuff for her sister or to gice loans to her friends, but she will learn her lesson over time and it sounds like these are pretty cheap mistakes to be making now vs later with a few zeroes attached.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

No Butt Stuff posted:

Right but all her language suggests that's not the case.

Must be nice to have your parents pay for any of your school.

This is what I meant by "more to the story".

Says divorce agreement stated dad pays 60% Mom pays 40%. % of what not mentioned, but apparently a court of law ruled whatever it is to be unenforceable. In other words, imaginary.

Also says dad agreed to pay only what he co-signed for, then later wound down when he hit financial trouble, then stopped.

This is surely leaving a lot of relevant details out but generally speaking could be true and if so the real source of her problem. Loan companies go after whoever on the loan is best able to pay. Guy who declared bankruptcy and also has cancer is gonna be lower on the list than entitled girl who borrowed $130k to get a poo poo liberal arts degree so she could teach and looks at cars with $500/month payments. They are going to give her a really hard time if payments aren't made, though dad isn't off the hook either technically since bankruptcy isn't get out of jail free for student loans.

hosed up situation maybe (assuming it's all true), but at what point do you A) Stop whining on Reddit and B) take responsibility for your own loving life, realize not everything is "fair" and get on with it while forgiving your cancer-stricken father?

Comrade Gritty
Sep 19, 2011

This Machine Kills Fascists

Ixian posted:

And in the case of college costs it would need to be spelled out in even greater detail because in the USA most child support obligations stop hard at age 18 without special provisions.

Yea, child support obligations past the age of ~18 as well as whether paying for college costs being specified in a divorce decree vary state by state. I'm most familiar with Pennsylvania where there is no duty to extend child support beyond the age of 18 regardless of college unless there is otherwise an agreement, but where agreements in a divorce decree are enforceable. Going by http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/termination-of-support-college-support.aspx it appears most states do not have any provisions for child support past the age of 18 (19 in a few states) unless otherwise agreed to previously.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
You could be like my wife's stepsister, who had her father cosign on all her student loans to culinary school (which literally cost more than I spent getting a bachelor's degree and MBA paying in-state tuition).
FAMILY DRAMA TIME
After paying nothing on them for years while he has to make minimum payments on it to preserve his credit and assets, she decides to get married. Her dad offers a deal, I can continue to pay for your loans, or I can give you a big gift to help pay for your wedding (like $10k or something). She asks him to pay for the wedding, and she'll pick up the loans after she's married. It was a fabulously expensive and extravagant wedding in New York City.

3 weeks after the wedding, she calls and says that she can't pull the money together to pay for the loans this month, and would he please continue to pay on her student loans.
That was 4 years ago, and she still hasn't paid anything on her loans
:sever:

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
do never cosign

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

:3: It's hard to really be mad at that guy. He's 18, 18-year-olds buy dumb toys with the money from their first jobs. I bought a gameboy with mine and let me tell you, it made me a lot happier than whatever the interest on that hundred bucks would be now.

Back in the day in my first job, I once spent most of a paycheck on a box of Magic The Gathering cards. Whole box of 5th edition was something like 50-60 bucks at the time. Got such poo poo cards out of it I think I stopped playing soon after.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

canyoneer posted:

You could be like my wife's stepsister, who had her father cosign on all her student loans to culinary school (which literally cost more than I spent getting a bachelor's degree and MBA paying in-state tuition).
FAMILY DRAMA TIME
After paying nothing on them for years while he has to make minimum payments on it to preserve his credit and assets, she decides to get married. Her dad offers a deal, I can continue to pay for your loans, or I can give you a big gift to help pay for your wedding (like $10k or something). She asks him to pay for the wedding, and she'll pick up the loans after she's married. It was a fabulously expensive and extravagant wedding in New York City.

3 weeks after the wedding, she calls and says that she can't pull the money together to pay for the loans this month, and would he please continue to pay on her student loans.
That was 4 years ago, and she still hasn't paid anything on her loans
:sever:

Culinary school sounds nice and vocational but 99% of the time it's a massive waste of time and money. It's the rare kind of degree that can actually make you less employable in your chosen field, since kitchen managers see that on your resume (and usually a multi-year gap in work history to go along with it) and know you're likely to be very precious and slow and have lots of fussy habits they'll have to train out of you.

It's kind of like how you should never go to Full Sail or "Draw This Pirate" type art schools if you actually want to be employed in a creative field.

CitizenKain posted:

Back in the day in my first job, I once spent most of a paycheck on a box of Magic The Gathering cards. Whole box of 5th edition was something like 50-60 bucks at the time. Got such poo poo cards out of it I think I stopped playing soon after.
And thus a valuable lesson was learned!

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!
I hear it's the same for newly hired bar staff who ask the seasoned employees "what bar school/program did you attend?"

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

CitizenKain posted:

Back in the day in my first job, I once spent most of a paycheck on a box of Magic The Gathering cards. Whole box of 5th edition was something like 50-60 bucks at the time. Got such poo poo cards out of it I think I stopped playing soon after.

My dude have you heard of r/mtgfinance?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/

From the same community that brought you the largest bitcoin exchange (MtGox), comes the next wave of speculators with a binder, a backpack, and a dream.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/comments/5vipna/when_your_specs_dont_pan_out/
That guy bought 60 of those cards at 50 cents each. They're currently trading for less than 10 cents each :laugh:

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

Steampunk Hitler posted:

Yea, child support obligations past the age of ~18 as well as whether paying for college costs being specified in a divorce decree vary state by state. I'm most familiar with Pennsylvania where there is no duty to extend child support beyond the age of 18 regardless of college unless there is otherwise an agreement, but where agreements in a divorce decree are enforceable. Going by http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/termination-of-support-college-support.aspx it appears most states do not have any provisions for child support past the age of 18 (19 in a few states) unless otherwise agreed to previously.

Since she states the judge says it was "unenforceable" - absent other details I'd assume that means it was either a handshake agreement, drunken late night phone call, or some other hilariously awful thing that is all too common in lovely divorce proceedings.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Ixian posted:

Since she states the judge says it was "unenforceable" - absent other details I'd assume that means it was either a handshake agreement, drunken late night phone call, or some other hilariously awful thing that is all too common in lovely divorce proceedings.

Maybe the daughter made the "he has cancer, he'll be dead soon and therefore doesn't need the money" argument.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
Bad with money: buying pricy vitamins that probably don't do anything more than bargain grade vitamins

Good with money, but bad with the law: The person who shoplifted the vitamins, then filled them with pasta, and returned them for cash.



quote:

According to Toronto’s 680 News, Anna Bauer-Ross picked up the Green+ capsules from a local Toronto Shoppers Drug Mart. When her daughter opened the sealed container at home, they discovered the uncooked pasta and “thought it was a joke,” as she told the site. When Bauer-Ross returned to the store, she agreed to an exchange, provided she could open the new bottle in-store. Again, all she found was pasta. A store manager tried two more bottles and came across the same thing. “It’s strange, very strange,” Bauer-Ross, who eventually just accepted a refund, was quoted as saying. “Something you don’t think is going to happen under a sealed bottle from a reputable chain of stores.”


http://www.foodandwine.com/news/woman-buys-vitamin-bottles-filled-nothing-pasta

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

The nutritional content in pasta is not very high but still probably higher than the fake pills GNC or whoever is selling, all that garbage is a scam.

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation
My favorite thing about $8,500 dog/horse guy is that 1) no one who actually knows anything about livestock keeps show bred Tibetan Mastiffs as livestock guardian dogs, they're worthless for the purpose and 2) working bred dogs of the breeds people actually use can be acquired for under 500 bucks pretty much anywhere in the US. I priced my last litter at $250 and they're all in functional working homes, not letting coyotes eat horses.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Pryor on Fire posted:

The nutritional content in pasta is not very high but still probably higher than the fake pills GNC or whoever is selling, all that garbage is a scam.
The best case scenario is that you're getting actual nutrients, but would still be better off eating a vegetable sometimes.

The worst case scenario is paying for something useless or actively harmful, because it turns out nutritional supplements aren't regulated very well. Whoops!

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

I don't know if this has been posted in the history of the two threads but I saw this at the Albany Airport.



I mean seriously a horse in the signature. This can only go well.

savesthedayrocks
Mar 18, 2004
What's on the other side of that casino poster, a Lululemon contact?

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




spwrozek posted:

I don't know if this has been posted in the history of the two threads but I saw this at the Albany Airport.



I mean seriously a horse in the signature. This can only go well.

Fortune flavors the bold

Hargrimm
Sep 22, 2011

W A R R E N

spwrozek posted:

I don't know if this has been posted in the history of the two threads but I saw this at the Albany Airport.



I mean seriously a horse in the signature. This can only go well.

Her name is Aubrey but the website is Geraldine.com?

Blinkman987
Jul 10, 2008

Gender roles guilt me into being fat.
Why doesn't fiction PhD guy write the new great American novel-- a story about a guy buried in student loans that he can't possibly get out from under so he tries a bunch of ill-fated gimmicks and eventually either gets randomly lucky and accidentally falls into cash or he dies in an illegal crawlspace apartment in poverty.

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

spwrozek posted:

I don't know if this has been posted in the history of the two threads but I saw this at the Albany Airport.



I mean seriously a horse in the signature. This can only go well.

You know she's good because of the extra exclamation marks.

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).

Blinkman987 posted:

Why doesn't fiction PhD guy write the new great American novel-- a story about a guy buried in student loans that he can't possibly get out from under so he tries a bunch of ill-fated gimmicks and eventually either gets randomly lucky and accidentally falls into cash or he dies in an illegal crawlspace apartment in poverty.

For this to work, both have to happen in the same book.

Betazoid
Aug 3, 2010

Hallo. Ik ben een leeuw.

KingSlime posted:

He needs to aim his writing skills into the abyss that is the private sector, I think that's honestly his only chance at having a comfortable life as he seems like he actually Gets poo poo Done within the parameters of his literary pursuits and produces content that people like

Jesus 200k for an MFA though...that's a lot of money for something that is easily google-able and can be taught via self-driven practice and simple imitation of people who are better than you + reading, reading, reading. I always wondered what the MFA's at my school were thinking long-term but the topic never came up so I was simply left to speculate as to why these very bright individuals were paying my alma matter tens of thousands of dollars a year simply to hone their craft.

If you pay for a creative writing degree, you're probably bad with money. My MFA was free and I wouldn't have gotten it otherwise. I don't use it in my day job, though, because I decided I would rather not be poor.

Fiction guy could also move to Memphis. $50 a month is not too great on $200,000 though.

quote:

Starting July 1, full-time employees of the city of Memphis will be eligible to receive $50 a month for their loans.

"We are proud to be the first municipality in the country to offer this kind of student debt assistance to our workforce," said Alex Smith, Chief HR Officer for Memphis.

About 840 people, or 14% of the city's workforce, are expected to benefit from the program, Smith said. That includes workers from across city divisions, including the police and fire departments, as well as the government's legal and human resources staff.

The average borrower in the Memphis metropolitan area has $31,000 in student loans, according to the St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank. The total amount of student debt there grew by almost 5% during 2015, faster than it did across the country. Nationwide, there is $1.3 trillion of outstanding student loan debt, held by about 42 million Americans.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/08/pf/college/memphis-student-loan-repayment/index.html?iid=SF_River

Actuarial Fables
Jul 29, 2014

Taco Defender

CitizenKain posted:

Back in the day in my first job, I once spent most of a paycheck on a box of Magic The Gathering cards.

My friend did the same thing, only instead of one paycheck he did it for every paycheck. At 3am he would be constantly checking is bank account to see when his paycheck was deposited so he could buy more cards. The only reason why he stopped is because he doesn't have a job anymore.

DJCobol
May 16, 2003

CALL OF DUTY! :rock:
Grimey Drawer

Hargrimm posted:

Her name is Aubrey but the website is Geraldine.com?
Probably her horse's name.

She also uses an @aol.com email address:

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
Who is ready for a terrible wedding BWM story where the groom is the one driven mad about his "special day" and the bride is trying to reign him in?

quote:

Fiancé [29M] is kind of becoming a groomzilla. Our steadily inflating budget is now around 130k with no signs of stopping.

Fiance [29M] and I [26F] got engaged last year and are planning a fall wedding. He is a HUGE planner and loves to plan plan plan whatever comes to him. He needs to have things EXACTLY his way or he doesn't want it at all. I've always known he's extremely particular and super choosy, so I should've seen this coming I guess.

Anyways it all started with getting a wedding planner. This was all initially my responsibility, but I'm really not that picky about these things and had a vision for a much more modest wedding. Fiance and various family wanted a huge bash though, so gradually my fiance kind of picked up the wedding planning duties and I was pushed to the side. I really didn't mind at first cause it meant less work for me, cause honestly everything looked fine and I was kind of going with whatever the planner recommended.

But now my fiance is kind of on some one man crusade. He flipped out the other day because some suits or whatever for the groomsmen came and it almost had the fabric he chose (like literally exact color, texture, whatever) but slightly thinner and my fiance wouldn't have it. So he's like legit having a meltdown on the phone with the lady who sent the stuff saying that he wanted what he chose because he's spending a ton of money and on and on. Honestly it didn't seem like a huge deal to me. So they messed up, they'll redo it and send it again, but this event somehow stressed him out enough that it just took up the rest of his day. I had to eventually take over this one matter cause it gave him such anxiety.

We honestly haven't even gotten to planning the rest of the wedding yet (this was just with his favorite suit place that was making his groomsmen suits) and I'm seriously nervous. I knew he's always wanted a huge party since he told me so when we were dating, but I didn't expect this. It's also getting way too expensive in my opinion cause the planner is showing him these huge, extravagant planned scenarios that are like 150k+ and I can tell he's slowly getting sold on it. We initially budgeted for around 100k, but that kept going up cause the guest list kept going up obviously. Now we're looking at 130k, 400-500 people, including like absolute randos like friends from his junior year internships out of all things.

I've talked to him about this and he's just being stubborn. He has a good job and makes serious money, so his rationale is he just wants this big thing and he can pay for it no problem so why does he have to scale it down. A wedding comes only once, and he wants it exactly like he wants it. Like his best friend who just had his in some castle in Germany or wherever the gently caress and got to invite his whole fraternity; my fiance wants THAT.

It's getting to me cause no one's really on my side either. Our parents agreed to pay for half of whatever the wedding budget came down to, but they've been fine with a slowly expanding budget for some reason. They're all just super ecstatic about getting a huge wedding but obviously they don't have to deal with the planning.

I guess the bottom line is I don't know how many more of these meltdowns are going to happen. I feel like a lot, and I'm worried. He's super difficult to console when things don't go his way on these type of things, and if I have to do this for 3-4 months or however long I'm gonna lose my mind.

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/6gzfcu/fianc%C3%A9_29m_is_kind_of_becoming_a_groomzilla_our/

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

quote:

He flipped out the other day because some suits or whatever for the groomsmen came and it almost had the fabric he chose (like literally exact color, texture, whatever) but slightly thinner and my fiance wouldn't have it. So he's like legit having a meltdown on the phone with the lady who sent the stuff saying that he wanted what he chose because he's spending a ton of money and on and on.

We already have :sever:, but I really wish we had an :eject: smiley.

I mean, I get that he wants exactly what he expected, but of all the hills to die on...

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug
Jesus.

I don't care how high your salary is, 130k+ for a single day is loving ridiculous. Christ, that kind of money would buy an incredible two-three week honeymoon all over the world and even *that* would be BWM.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Guillotine for the lot of them.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

I don't even have a concept for what an $100,000 wedding would look like, that is such an insane amount of money for people with jobs to spend on it. If you were royalty or just so amazingly fuckoff rich you had to have $100,000 to stir from your perpetual hedonistic torpor I'd guess it made sense. He had better be arriving in a carriage drawn by giraffes or something.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!
Oh no here comes "I spent this much on my wedding, idiots :smugdog: " time.

(my ex-wife has a cousin whose wedding featured $250,000 in flowers. the bride's dad was loving loaded. the flower displays were ostentatious and ugly)

BWM: being 10k upside down on a Civic on a minimum wage job.

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/6gyr5y/car_loan_overwhelmed/ posted:

Hello /r/personalfinance, longtime lurker, first time poster. I need advice whether or not my situation would be better off seeking the aide of a Fiduciary or a Banker in the sense of getting my car loan conditions renegotiated or if I have to refinance it.
I have a current balance of ~$19,000 with an APR of 8% (It's a 2015 Honda Civic, my guess valued at ~9,000). My current car payment is $502 and my insurance is ~$110. I have my utilities and rent totaling to $850. My income is minimum wage (8.25 /hr) ($1172 is my take home after taxes). I'm on a sinking ship and fast, I need help and do not know what to do.
Do I forfeit the car and eat the debt or is there an alternative. My credit score is already in the dumps after having a multitude of bad luck with housing, most places had horrible living conditions and I ended up leaving without serving the lease or contract term.

ohgodwhat
Aug 6, 2005

"bad luck"

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

Ashcans posted:

I don't even have a concept for what an $100,000 wedding would look like, that is such an insane amount of money for people with jobs to spend on it. If you were royalty or just so amazingly fuckoff rich you had to have $100,000 to stir from your perpetual hedonistic torpor I'd guess it made sense. He had better be arriving in a carriage drawn by giraffes or something.

Spending between 500k-1M gets you Taylor Swift's horse in your wedding.

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

How do you end up that badly underwater on an economy car?

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
You can basically get the same thing if you pay $50k or $1M. It's like the lady that spent $8500 for a dog that could be otherwise purchased for $500. The only difference is the margins that people are pocketing.

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Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

Debt collectors: GWM, BWL

I just saw that the US Supreme Court has ruled that the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act doesn't apply to companies that buy debts.

The Act prevents debt collectors from doing things which would be considered abusive, deceptive or unfair. The companies that buy debt for pennies on the dollar will not be bound by this Act, so they are free to be as scummy and abusive as they like.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/06/12/business/12reuters-usa-court-debt.html?_r=0

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/neil-gorsuch-writes-first-opinion-as-supreme-court-justice/article/2625661

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