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docbeard posted:So, you know, not to shove a pin into the ol' outrage balloon, but is there anything at the root of this other than some rando on twitter claiming to have seen some aide's mutterings about what "the Democrats" are doing? The only way for them to block a reconciliation bill is to totally shut down process in the Senate by denying a quorum. Which they're not doing. Here's an article about the deal on Russia sanctions. Also, the "rando on twitter" is a congressional reporter.
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Joementum posted:Also, the "rando on twitter" is a congressional reporter. Everyone on twitter, up to and including the so-called "President", is a rando.
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As Jeff also noted, even if the Democrats do attempt to shut down process in the Senate, they can only delay the passage of the bill, they can't prevent it. The question is whether going to this extreme option to delay the bill until after the July 4 recess is a good tactical decision. It would show Democratic activists that their leadership is willing to fight on this and would give them extra time over that break to stage protests against passage. Plus we'd get more details of the bill through leaks that can be used to pressure weak Republicans. On the other hand, it would shut down all other business in the Senate, so no Russia sanctions, no Sessions testimony, etc.
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Like nothing really stops the dems from going nuclear on what is literally the least popular republican policy position, except possibly that they fear this might kill the legislative filibuster which senate dems need to keep a potentially progressive house from passing poo poo that goes too far left (but the senate GOP is unlikely to kill it because it would mean dealing with the aftermath of the house GOP passing the "enabling the fifth monarchy and eternal republican dictatorship act"). I'm not entirely certain the rest of the order of the day is worth letting AHCA pass.
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This is probably a really dumb question, but are bills that are up for vote in the Senate subject to the Freedom of Information Act?
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Joementum posted:the Russian sanctions are even dumber than you all think. the republicans are currently pushing through sanctions on Iran. this would violate our nuclear agreement with Iran. in order to get Democratic support for this, lol it owns that the democrats are undoing obama's entire legacy just to assuage hillary's ego
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are americans paying attention at all does it matter when the opposition party is composed of democrats
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docbeard posted:So, you know, not to shove a pin into the ol' outrage balloon, but is there anything at the root of this other than some rando on twitter claiming to have seen some aide's mutterings about what "the Democrats" are doing? lol you should know by now that Democratic politicians don't deserve the benefit of the doubt, especially when it comes to foreign policy.
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Joementum posted:Obama's signal foreign policy win e oh, you meant single. i was confused
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americans are loving retarded for continuing to vote for these malevolent assholesquote:
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Frijolero posted:lol There's a difference between extending the benefit of the doubt (which I'm not) and just not going all fainting goat at the merest rumor (for all that it would be in character for them).
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ex post facho posted:americans are loving retarded for continuing to vote for these malevolent assholes Senate Democrats are going to let them get away with this lmao rushing a bill through without letting anyone look at it is exactly what the GOP screamed about when the ACA was passed, even though it was a complete fabrication, and now that they're planning on doing the same thing themselves the Dems still think they can negotiate in good faith with the fuckers the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 15:08 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:this thread is particularly frothy with indignation today yeah a bunch of people who are nominally "our guys" sitting by and jacking off to the thought of maybe starving a few Russians while 23 million people lose healthcare access to a secret bill will do that
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NewForumSoftware posted:lol what no, the adjective form of signal
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docbeard posted:There's a difference between extending the benefit of the doubt (which I'm not) and just not going all fainting goat at the merest rumor (for all that it would be in character for them). 
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Joementum posted:On the other hand, it would shut down all other business in the Senate, so no Russia sanctions, no Sessions testimony, etc. its utterly amazing that the democratic leadership either doesn't know the GOP leadership was complicit in trump's treason or don't care. all these hearings are meaningless unless the democrats take back congress in 2018 because the republicans aren't about to arrest themselves along with trump.
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actually yo joe whats the quorum rules for congress? could all the democrats just abscond for the next year and a half
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Joementum posted:On the other hand, it would shut down all other business in the Senate, so no Russia sanctions, no Sessions testimony, etc. Too bad they couldn't do it after Sessions.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:actually yo joe whats the quorum rules for congress? could all the democrats just abscond for the next year and a half Requires 51 Senators to be present, but I think there are rules about needing the minority leader around or that the Democrats can just have one member hang out and deny unanimous consent for all motions, which requires a roll call vote on everything. The majority leader can also instruct the Sergeant at Arms to compel the attendance of the Senators (requires a roll call vote), which once resulted in a Senator being physically carried into the chamber.
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Thousands are going to die because of their actions
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Good news peasants! Last year, 8 people owned more than half the human race. Now that's nearly been cut in half and one of these soft-faced gently caress sleeves wants to become President so he can harvest your genome. http://www.alternet.org/economy/five-richest-men-inequality quote:While Americans fixate on Trump, the super-rich are absconding with our wealth, and the plague of inequality continues to grow. An analysis of 2016 data found that the poorest five deciles of the world population own about $410 billion in total wealth. As of June 8, 2017, the world's richest five men owned over $400 billion in wealth. Thus, on average, each man owns nearly as much as 750 million people.
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docbeard posted:There's a difference between extending the benefit of the doubt (which I'm not) and just not going all fainting goat at the merest rumor (for all that it would be in character for them). yeah I can't find a loving thing about it anywhere except for one idiot on twitter so color me skeptical I'll get indignant when someone important says or does something john mccain doesn't count
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Business Gorillas posted:🌹 THERES ANOTHER WAY 🌹 ive always been interested but im reserved mostly because of how I see democrats behave in general  party lines and loyalties tend to get messy and super bad because then your cup is not empty and you become a unwilling to learn smuglord who gets corncobbed on the reg because you're double downing instead of just humbly learning 
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got any sevens posted:whats the girl version of uncle tom Remember when John Lewis was an Uncle Tom for questioning Sanders' civil rights history?
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Business Gorillas posted:🌹 THERES ANOTHER WAY 🌹 Conveniently this way you don't have to deal with the stress of losing close elections
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Concerned Citizen posted:this thread is particularly frothy with indignation today y'all gonna keep fuckin around with me and turn me back to the old me
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punk rebel ecks posted:This always made me wonder. How do we spend more money on healthcare than any other country in the world, if we use private insurance? Does the government heavily subsidize the insurance industry? Anybody?
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because we have a for profit healthcare system with massive administrative overhead, thats why
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punk rebel ecks posted:Anybody? My interpretation of that stat was that it was based on the spending of Americans in general, not the American government specifically so the answer to the question is "because they are profit-incentivized to make us pay more"
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hospital paymasters. lorbl
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https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/874635108891938816 When a wackadoo has better foreign policy than the "left" party. 
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yeah that's spending per capita, including both tax expenditures that go towards healthcare and personal payments. the lesson there is that taking the money people pay in premiums, copays, deductibles, etc would go much further if it was all put towards a single payer monolith that would cut out the overhead of for-profit systems
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Frijolero posted:https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/874635108891938816 do nothing, leave it be, stop selling weapons to anyone and withdraw all military forces
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zegermans posted:y'all gonna keep fuckin around with me OPEN INSIDE
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Schumer cant whip for poo poo lmao cmon you old sleaze even Pelosi kept her herd of cats in line on this
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Serf posted:do nothing, leave it be, stop selling weapons to anyone and withdraw all military forces
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Tragically even if the US dropped all support I suspect May, Trudeau and Macron would still quite happily sell them the gear. But without superlative amounts of western support, Saudi Arabia would basically not even be able to defeat the starving militias of the poorest arab state.
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Agnosticnixie posted:Tragically even if the US dropped all support I suspect May, Trudeau and Macron would still quite happily sell them the gear. or putin, for that matter.
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